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hiphop? imho + afaik, craziest hiphopstuff around is definitely KOOL KEITH aka Black Elvis aka Rythm X, Part of Deltron 3030 ... a kind of personification of synaptic mayhem. or so... orwhat? D

Kool Keith can do no wrong...also check out 'Black Elvis', 'Mathew' and his work with DJ Spooky on 'Riddim Warfare' if you like 'Dr. Octagon.' Kool Keith is an innovator, no doubt. What other MC can you say can come from as many different angles and personas as him? Besides, the old Ultramagnetic MC's work is some of the best hip-hop ever (IMO). Also... Madlib/Quasimoto Living Legends Crew 3 Melancholy Gypsies (3MG's) Mystik Journeymen Five Deez/3582 Mood Zion I Planet Asia Heiroglyphics Rasco AL Slum Village LMNO Swollen Members El-P/Company Flow M.F. Doom A lot of this is the Bay Area sound since Blackalicious was the comparison, but similarly the rest tends to be on the more innovative side...no bitch-slapping or gat-popping for the most part. JS

quoted 43 lines From: Greg Smith <purgasmith@earthlink.net>

>From: Greg Smith <purgasmith@earthlink.net> >To: <idm@hyperreal.org> >Subject: Re: [idm] Re: HipHop >Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 05:34:14 -0700 > >on 7/10/02 3:18 AM, dahonk at dahonk@gmx.de scrawled: > > > hiphop? > > > > imho + afaik, craziest hiphopstuff around is definitely > > > > KOOL KEITH aka Black Elvis aka Rythm X, Part of Deltron 3030 > > > > ... a kind of personification of synaptic mayhem. or so... > > > > orwhat? > > >or not. Kool Keith doesn't have anything to do with Deltron 3030. The >link >tying both projects together is Dan the Automator. I always thought the >Deltron 3030 project was a lame attempt to recreate the magic of the Dr. >Octagon album. > >~g > > >-- >Greg Smith >http://www.laiad.com >"I don't trust anybody?s nostalgia but my own. Nostalgia is a product of >dissatisfaction and rage. It's a settling of grievances between the >present >and the past. The more powerful the nostalgia, the closer you come to >violence. War is the form nostalgia takes when men are hard pressed to say >something good about their country" - Don Delillo/White Noise > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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On Wed, 10 Jul 2002, Jason Stickel wrote:

quoted 2 lines Kool Keith can do no wrong...also check out 'Black Elvis', 'Mathew' an

> Kool Keith can do no wrong...also check out 'Black Elvis', 'Mathew' and his > work with DJ Spooky on 'Riddim Warfare' if you like 'Dr. Octagon.'

See, the thing I always come back to with Kool Keith is that he hooks up with some great producers, but as a lyricist, he's just kinda boring. His lyrics are funny the first time you hear them, but have no staying power (to me) and I get bored of them quickly. It's like laughing at the schizophrenics on the street. In fact, it's not really any different, since he is/was schizophrenic, is it? Really, I just don't understand why Kool Keith gets all this hype. He just doesn't seem that talented to me. I dunno.

quoted 1 line Swollen Members

> Swollen Members

I think this was my favorite hip-hop album of 2001. I'm not sure I'd call it similar to Blackalicious at all, though... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

In my eyes, Keith has done a lot of wrong -- or at least, plenty of mediocre. Of course, he's put out a lot too, so he gets a *little* credit. He's got a new one coming soon too: KHM, with H Bomb and Marc Live. Here's some of my recent hip-hop faves (most of em with reviews up at http://www.allmusic.com): DSP - In the Red (Ninja Tune) --> excellent. DJ Jazzy Jeff - The Magnificent --> very mainstream (compared to most) but pretty solid in ATCQ vein. Dan the Automator - Wanna Buy a Monkey? --> solid mix album blah-blah-blah Dilated Peoples - Expansion Team --> great one from last year.

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> -----Original Message----- > From: No one in particular [mailto:idm@cocksalad.com] > Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 9:39 AM > To: idm@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: [idm] Re: HipHop > > > On Wed, 10 Jul 2002, Jason Stickel wrote: > > > Kool Keith can do no wrong...also check out 'Black Elvis', > 'Mathew' and his > > work with DJ Spooky on 'Riddim Warfare' if you like 'Dr. Octagon.' > > See, the thing I always come back to with Kool Keith is that he hooks up > with some great producers, but as a lyricist, he's just kinda boring. His > lyrics are funny the first time you hear them, but have no staying power > (to me) and I get bored of them quickly. > > It's like laughing at the schizophrenics on the street. In fact, it's not > really any different, since he is/was schizophrenic, is it? > > Really, I just don't understand why Kool Keith gets all this hype. He > just doesn't seem that talented to me. I dunno. > > > Swollen Members > > I think this was my favorite hip-hop album of 2001. I'm not sure I'd call > it similar to Blackalicious at all, though... > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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I can see your points regarding Kool Keith, but I suppose I admire his ingenuity in that his style is different with each and every album...he goes from hard-ass ghetto thug (Mathew) to a completely abstract theme of a different variation (Dr. Dooom, for example) with ease, and his lyrics are nice and abstract with some witty punchlines. I guess I like him because there is nobody in hip-hop doing what he does. He might be the first and only MC to do theme albums (at least that I can think of off the top of my head). As for Swollen Members, different than Blackalicious, yes, but similar in that the content has more to say than how many hoes they busted a nut in or how many keys they sling on the block... JS

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>From: No one in particular <idm@cocksalad.com> >To: idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [idm] Re: HipHop >Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 06:38:41 -0700 (PDT) > >On Wed, 10 Jul 2002, Jason Stickel wrote: > > > Kool Keith can do no wrong...also check out 'Black Elvis', 'Mathew' and >his > > work with DJ Spooky on 'Riddim Warfare' if you like 'Dr. Octagon.' > >See, the thing I always come back to with Kool Keith is that he hooks up >with some great producers, but as a lyricist, he's just kinda boring. His >lyrics are funny the first time you hear them, but have no staying power >(to me) and I get bored of them quickly. > >It's like laughing at the schizophrenics on the street. In fact, it's not >really any different, since he is/was schizophrenic, is it? > >Really, I just don't understand why Kool Keith gets all this hype. He >just doesn't seem that talented to me. I dunno. > > > Swollen Members > >I think this was my favorite hip-hop album of 2001. I'm not sure I'd call >it similar to Blackalicious at all, though... > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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Black Elvis is imho one of the greatest hip hop albums EVER !!! His other stuff pales in comparison to this one - he seems to be going for quantity instead of quality a lot of times. dave -----Original Message----- From: Jason Stickel [mailto:j_stickel_otfp@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 7:38 AM To: idm@cocksalad.com; idm@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [idm] Re: HipHop I can see your points regarding Kool Keith, but I suppose I admire his ingenuity in that his style is different with each and every album...he goes from hard-ass ghetto thug (Mathew) to a completely abstract theme of a different variation (Dr. Dooom, for example) with ease, and his lyrics are nice and abstract with some witty punchlines. I guess I like him because there is nobody in hip-hop doing what he does. He might be the first and only MC to do theme albums (at least that I can think of off the top of my head). As for Swollen Members, different than Blackalicious, yes, but similar in that the content has more to say than how many hoes they busted a nut in or how many keys they sling on the block... JS

quoted 31 lines From: No one in particular <idm@cocksalad.com>

>From: No one in particular <idm@cocksalad.com> >To: idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [idm] Re: HipHop >Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 06:38:41 -0700 (PDT) > >On Wed, 10 Jul 2002, Jason Stickel wrote: > > > Kool Keith can do no wrong...also check out 'Black Elvis', 'Mathew' and >his > > work with DJ Spooky on 'Riddim Warfare' if you like 'Dr. Octagon.' > >See, the thing I always come back to with Kool Keith is that he hooks up >with some great producers, but as a lyricist, he's just kinda boring. His >lyrics are funny the first time you hear them, but have no staying power >(to me) and I get bored of them quickly. > >It's like laughing at the schizophrenics on the street. In fact, it's not >really any different, since he is/was schizophrenic, is it? > >Really, I just don't understand why Kool Keith gets all this hype. He >just doesn't seem that talented to me. I dunno. > > > Swollen Members > >I think this was my favorite hip-hop album of 2001. I'm not sure I'd call >it similar to Blackalicious at all, though... > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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On Wed, 10 Jul 2002 09:48:10 John Bush wrote:

quoted 7 lines In my eyes, Keith has done a lot of wrong -- or at least, plenty of

>In my eyes, Keith has done a lot of wrong -- or at least, plenty of >mediocre. Of course, he's put out a lot too, so he gets a *little* credit. >He's got a new one coming soon too: KHM, with H Bomb and Marc Live. > > >Here's some of my recent hip-hop faves (most of em with reviews up at >http://www.allmusic.com):

quoted 2 lines Dilated Peoples - Expansion Team

>Dilated Peoples - Expansion Team > --> great one from last year.

I'm not sure about this one. I thought it was decent, but didn't compare to their debut. Evidence was rather weak on the album, but babu still held it strong. Just Keith's work with the Ultramagnetic MC's is worth all of his praise. Plus his done alot to advance the world of the hip hop. Although he may not be as fresh and innovative as some of the guys coming out today, he's still a big figure. Without him, alot of these guys wouldn't be able to do what they do. josh NXO --- "when all soldiers lay their weapons down, or when all kings and queens relinquish their crowns, there will be sorrow no more." --Bad Religion

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> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: No one in particular [mailto:idm@cocksalad.com] >> Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 9:39 AM >> To: idm@hyperreal.org >> Subject: Re: [idm] Re: HipHop >> >> >> On Wed, 10 Jul 2002, Jason Stickel wrote: >> >> > Kool Keith can do no wrong...also check out 'Black Elvis', >> 'Mathew' and his >> > work with DJ Spooky on 'Riddim Warfare' if you like 'Dr. Octagon.' >> >> See, the thing I always come back to with Kool Keith is that he hooks up >> with some great producers, but as a lyricist, he's just kinda boring. His >> lyrics are funny the first time you hear them, but have no staying power >> (to me) and I get bored of them quickly. >> >> It's like laughing at the schizophrenics on the street. In fact, it's not >> really any different, since he is/was schizophrenic, is it? >> >> Really, I just don't understand why Kool Keith gets all this hype. He >> just doesn't seem that talented to me. I dunno. >> >> > Swollen Members >> >> I think this was my favorite hip-hop album of 2001. I'm not sure I'd call >> it similar to Blackalicious at all, though... >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >> >> > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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quoted 2 lines Re: HipHop

> Re: HipHop > 53404 by: dahonk

you guys should check out jay-z!

quoted 2 lines Besides, the old Ultramagnetic MC's work

> Besides, the old Ultramagnetic MC's work > is some of the best hip-hop ever (IMO).

YEP ! critical beatdown is kinda THE album ever... * btw - any other ultimate classics in rap recommended? * D

On Thu, 11 Jul 2002, dahonk wrote:

quoted 1 line YEP ! critical beatdown is kinda THE album ever...

> YEP ! critical beatdown is kinda THE album ever...

Low End Theory, definitely. The Chronic. ... certainly lots more. those are the two that come to mind from my growing years, anyway... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org