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2002-06-25 18:36Josh Kirschenbaum [idm] Squarepusher/Aphex Twin
└─ 2002-06-25 19:32skkatter Re: [idm] Squarepusher/Aphex Twin
├─ 2002-06-25 22:49ugly and mean [idm] Swayzak - Groovetechnology
│ ├─ 2002-06-26 00:16Mxyzptlk Re: [idm] Swayzak - Groovetechnology
│ └─ 2002-06-26 07:46Irene McC Re: [idm] Swayzak - Groovetechnology
│ └─ 2002-06-26 09:57Mxyzptlk Re: [idm] Swayzak - Groovetechnology
└─ 2002-06-26 12:24jean paul l'asthme [idm] originality in composition (was RE: Squarepusher/Aphex Twin)
2002-06-25 22:00acre Re: [idm] Squarepusher/Aphex Twin
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2002-06-25 18:36Josh KirschenbaumHello everyone- Does anyone know of any interviews/articles that cover the more technical
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Hello everyone- Does anyone know of any interviews/articles that cover the more technical aspects of Squarepusher or Aphex Twin music? I am DYING to know how Tom gets those 1/128th beats done....probably handplaced, one sample at a time... j. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Josh Kirschenbaum Editor / Compositor stun•gun www.stunguntv.com jokir@technologist.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-06-25 19:32skkatter--- Josh Kirschenbaum <jokir@mac.com> wrote: > Does anyone know of any interviews/articles
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--- Josh Kirschenbaum <jokir@mac.com> wrote:
quoted 3 lines Does anyone know of any interviews/articles that> Does anyone know of any interviews/articles that > cover the more technical aspects of Squarepusher or > Aphex Twin music?
I remember when I first heard Squarepusher and Aphex Twin I wanted to make music exactly like them. That was back in the day when I was young, immature and impressionable. Nowadays I just want to make music exactly like Si Begg. But seriously, studying other people's production technique too closely is a bit silly, you might end up sounding like a cheap copy. Nevertheless here's some info on Squarepusher's live setup that was posted to another list I'm on. It's pretty interesting:
quoted 1 line Not sure about Aphex Twin, but when Squarepusher> Not sure about Aphex Twin, but when Squarepusher
played in Sydney (at the
quoted 1 line gig I put on) he had a IBM laptop and was running> gig I put on) he had a IBM laptop and was running
cakewalk on Windows and
quoted 3 lines using Reaktor.> using Reaktor. > > He also had two twelve unit rack cases housing a
drehbank (a 64 midi knobs
quoted 1 line box) and two big-arse 3U DATs, a line mixer, an> box) and two big-arse 3U DATs, a line mixer, an
eventide harmoniser multiFX
quoted 1 line (worth like 14,000 pounds alone), two patchbays and> (worth like 14,000 pounds alone), two patchbays and
two minidiscs.
quoted 3 lines He had a smaller midi slider box two.> He had a smaller midi slider box two. > > He told me the mididiscs and DATs were for when the
laptop crashed. His set
quoted 1 line consisted of noticeably different versions of the> consisted of noticeably different versions of the
stuff from the latest
quoted 1 line album which lead me to believe he WAS manipulating> album which lead me to believe he WAS manipulating
patches and sequences
quoted 1 line live and possibly even sending MIDI to the eventide> live and possibly even sending MIDI to the eventide
multiFX to do
quoted 3 lines interesting effects in hardware in real-time.> interesting effects in hardware in real-time. > > Oh yeah and he a had a microphone plugged into the
rig also which he used
quoted 1 line for screaming into when he wanted to abuse the> for screaming into when he wanted to abuse the
audience who were abusing him
quoted 3 lines for not having a bass guitar on stage....> for not having a bass guitar on stage.... > > His tech rider insisted certain things such as the
venue should have LOTS of
quoted 1 line BIG SUBS that go really deep and that there should> BIG SUBS that go really deep and that there should
be a boutique valve (yes,
quoted 1 line valve!) compressor inserted over the main outs of> valve!) compressor inserted over the main outs of
the venue's sound desk
quoted 1 line which were to ONLY be used during his set. There was> which were to ONLY be used during his set. There was
also the stipulation
quoted 1 line that before he goes on the venue was to be blacked> that before he goes on the venue was to be blacked
out and a 60 minute warm
quoted 1 line up DAT of ambience and concrete was to be played. He> up DAT of ambience and concrete was to be played. He
also wanted the visuals
quoted 1 line turned off during his set, all lights off and two> turned off during his set, all lights off and two
strobes and a fog machine
quoted 1 line be supplied which could be operated by him while> be supplied which could be operated by him while
playing.
quoted 2 lines His sound guy was really onto it and had the> > His sound guy was really onto it and had the
compressor set and the room
quoted 1 line EQ'd really well quite quickly. Tom spent ages in> EQ'd really well quite quickly. Tom spent ages in
sound check making sure
quoted 1 line everything was ready and tested. And then double> everything was ready and tested. And then double
checking and writing
quoted 1 line himself notes on his laptop. He was really nervous> himself notes on his laptop. He was really nervous
and when he came back
quoted 1 line right before he was on he was really really nervous.> right before he was on he was really really nervous.
Almost incoherent.
quoted 2 lines From talking to him before and after the gig I got> > From talking to him before and after the gig I got
the impression he was
quoted 1 line really very worried about what people thought of the> really very worried about what people thought of the
show and his
quoted 1 line performance and music. I think he feels he is> performance and music. I think he feels he is
struggling to keep wowing
quoted 1 line people like he did with early releases - he is> people like he did with early releases - he is
afraid of fading into
quoted 3 lines mediocrity.> mediocrity. > > Anyway I seem to have got rather off the topic in
question don't I?
quoted 2 lines I'm sure there is some opinion out there that> > I'm sure there is some opinion out there that
Squarepusher doesn't use
quoted 1 line software, or doesn't use sequencers, or doesn't use> software, or doesn't use sequencers, or doesn't use
software sequencers or
quoted 1 line something....> something....
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2002-06-25 22:49ugly and meanhas anyone picked this up? i got it a few weeks ago, and i was surprised that i haven't he
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has anyone picked this up? i got it a few weeks ago, and i was surprised that i haven't heard anything about it on the list. the song selection is pretty great, but i thought the mixing was kind of sloppy. then again, i guess i'm sort of comparing the mixing to some of the "progressive" trance mixes i've heard. still, i'd love to hear more DJ mixes of this minimal-micro-whatever-the-hell-it's-called stuff. any suggestions? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-06-26 00:16MxyzptlkWell, for mixes of that micro, minimal stuff, there are many - but if you don't have Dan B
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Well, for mixes of that micro, minimal stuff, there are many - but if you don't have Dan Bell's mix ("The Button Down Mind of Dan Bell" - title ripped from an old Bob Newhart record ) on Tresor or likewise Herbert's "Let's All Make Mistakes", you need to catch up. Not to be rude and elitist (or ugly and mean :-), but I couldn't stand the selection on those so called "progressive" mixes enougn to justify listening to the mix - which is slick (most of the time) because of pro tools or somesuch "skill" boosting. Not knocking software mixes, y'see. jeff ps that IS a great mix, btw. You might like Weatherall's "Hypercity" mix also - there are quite a few such things out there which are newer than what I've mentioned, but I can't think at the moment. Oh - the Composure Forcelab thing is a good one. At 05:49 PM 6/25/2002, you wrote:
quoted 6 lines has anyone picked this up? i got it a few weeks ago, and i was surprised>has anyone picked this up? i got it a few weeks ago, and i was surprised >that i haven't heard anything about it on the list. the song selection is >pretty great, but i thought the mixing was kind of sloppy. then again, i >guess i'm sort of comparing the mixing to some of the "progressive" trance >mixes i've heard. still, i'd love to hear more DJ mixes of this >minimal-micro-whatever-the-hell-it's-called stuff. any suggestions?
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2002-06-26 07:46Irene McCOn 25 Jun 2002 at 15:49, ugly and mean wrote: > has anyone picked this up? i got it a few
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On 25 Jun 2002 at 15:49, ugly and mean wrote:
quoted 2 lines has anyone picked this up? i got it a few weeks ago, and i was surprised> has anyone picked this up? i got it a few weeks ago, and i was surprised > that i haven't heard anything about it on the list.
Hmmmmmmm. Of the two discs, I prefer Disc 2, but the whole thing does become a little 'too much of a muchness'. The individual tracks included make for a great sounding tracklist in theory, but (to my ears at least) there is just too little melody and funk to keep my interest right the way through. It's a wonderful mixing tool to have, in order to put into sets here and there, but doesn't work all that well as a home listening experience... IMO, of course. I * --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-06-26 09:57MxyzptlkAt 02:46 AM 6/26/2002, Irene McC wrote: >On 25 Jun 2002 at 15:49, ugly and mean wrote: > >
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At 02:46 AM 6/26/2002, Irene McC wrote:
quoted 7 lines On 25 Jun 2002 at 15:49, ugly and mean wrote:>On 25 Jun 2002 at 15:49, ugly and mean wrote: > > > has anyone picked this up? i got it a few weeks ago, and i was surprised > > that i haven't heard anything about it on the list. > >Hmmmmmmm. Of the two discs, I prefer Disc 2, but the whole thing >does become a little 'too much of a muchness'.
That's the same feeling I got from Superlongevity (Perlon) - and I'm a *fan* of the Perlon roster. jeff --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-06-26 12:24jean paul l'asthme> But seriously, studying other people's production > technique too closely is a bit silly
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quoted 4 lines But seriously, studying other people's production> But seriously, studying other people's production > technique too closely is a bit silly, you might end > up > sounding like a cheap copy.
i don't really think that's good advice. i make music and if poked and prodded i might even suggest that it's good music which doesn't necessarily sound derived from anything especially noticeable, other than nicking some timbaland style beats here and there,, but a lot of my inspiration comes from actually trying to reproduce or recontextualize various parts of other songs which i love... they never come out sounding like the originals but hopefully that ineffable quality that i loved about the music that inspired me remains. and as far as wondering about the set up your favorite laptop superstar uses, you've gotta find out somehow how you can make the sounds you want to make. it's sort of like how people in the early-mid-nineties started off covering nirvana or some such thing when they learned how to play guitar... covering a song with software is a much different affair, and a bit of a sisyphean task if you ask me (at least, if you're talking about covering something like squarepusher anyway [i'm working on a cover of bowie's "we are the dead", anybody else love that song?])... so if you can approximate someone's set up, you make things and if they sound like the artist you like, you know you're doing something right. from there you learn all kinds of production bits bleeps and blops and before you know it you too can be a glitch/minimal techno/breakcore/ ragga-jungle/tech-house supastar. gregory __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-06-25 22:00acreyou can do similar things with piano roll in fruityloops (don't give me any shit). change
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you can do similar things with piano roll in fruityloops (don't give me any shit). change the sample to have no attack or release and send it to piano roll. within that you can change the quantize or turn it off and queue the sounds in "bits," it'll only play for the length that you draw it. essentially you're arranging in !=1000 BPM. really incredible stuff... but then again i'm sure you could build some modular exponential formula business in reaktor and get the same results.... jon. tenandtracer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Josh Kirschenbaum" <jokir@mac.com> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 12:36 PM Subject: [idm] Squarepusher/Aphex Twin Hello everyone- Does anyone know of any interviews/articles that cover the more technical aspects of Squarepusher or Aphex Twin music? I am DYING to know how Tom gets those 1/128th beats done....probably handplaced, one sample at a time... j. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Josh Kirschenbaum Editor / Compositor stun.gun www.stunguntv.com jokir@technologist.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-06-26 02:36Paul ChillageFrom: skkatter <skkatter@yahoo.com> >There was also the stipulation >that before he goes o
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quoted 2 lines There was also the stipulation>There was also the stipulation >that before he goes on the venue was to be blacked
out and a 60 minute warm
quoted 1 line up DAT of ambience and concrete was to be played.>up DAT of ambience and concrete was to be played.
Yeah and the Irish crowd were baying for his blood because of this. Fair play to him he really knows how to work an audience ;- ) Great set I thought though and a nice guy too, Paul Chillage ----------------------------------- the Chillage Idiots, Xfm, Dublin, Ireland est. January 1996 check out (in real media): our jimi tenor interview: http://www.isis.ie/xfm/tenor.ram our defocus records 1st birthday special: http://www.isis.ie/xfm/defocus.ram an old show: http://www.isis.ie/xfm/chill.ram _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org