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2002-06-20 03:14... hellothisisalex ... [idm] Minidisc players
└─ 2002-06-20 03:23Aaron Ximm Re: [idm] Minidisc players
2002-06-20 15:49Albers, Brian RE: [idm] Minidisc players
└─ 2002-06-20 21:01Joel Fever RE: [idm] Minidisc players
└─ 2002-06-20 21:39Aaron Ximm RE: [idm] Minidisc players
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2002-06-20 03:14... hellothisisalex ...Hey, I've been thinking about getting a minidisc player to do field recordings and the lik
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[idm] Minidisc players
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Hey, I've been thinking about getting a minidisc player to do field recordings and the like. Could anyone give me the scoop on what I should be looking for, pros and cons, etc? For example, what's the battery drain like, how long do they typically last? Most of what I'm thinking of doing will require the player to be cordless. And, do all minidisc players have a mic in jack and record function? Help me out here because I'm woefully ignorant of these things. cheers Mark hellothisisalex www.hellothisisalex.com / records.hellothisisalex.com mp3s at www.raw42.com/cgi-bin/featuredartist.pl?artist=213 mark@hellothisisalex --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-06-20 03:23Aaron XimmOn Wed, 19 Jun 2002, ... hellothisisalex ... wrote: > I've been thinking about getting a m
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Wed, 19 Jun 2002 20:23:45 -0700 (PDT)
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On Wed, 19 Jun 2002, ... hellothisisalex ... wrote:
quoted 7 lines I've been thinking about getting a minidisc player to do field recordings> I've been thinking about getting a minidisc player to do field recordings > and the like. Could anyone give me the scoop on what I should be looking > for, pros and cons, etc? For example, what's the battery drain like, how > long do they typically last? Most of what I'm thinking of doing will > require the player to be cordless. And, do all minidisc players have a mic > in jack and record function? Help me out here because I'm woefully ignorant > of these things.
Hey mark, Hope you've found www.minidisc.org. You might find my DIY comments on MD in general useful: http://www.quietamerican.org/links.html The Sony MZ-R50 is probably the best consumer MD deck ever made, but it eats batteries much faster than current models and its ATRAC is slightly outclassed by current ones. I bought one on eBay last night for $73, here's another on auction now: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1360754959 Current decks get VERY good battery life, i.e. you can record at least 2 disks with a single good quality AA (duracell ultra, etc.), much more if you use these in conjunction with rechargeables. Not all current decks have mic inputs!!! E.g. the Sony MZ-R500 does not. There is a clear division between players and recorders, this should be clear from product descriptions. Not all decks are created equal. Sharps have manual gain setting that is adjustable WHILE RECORDING, only the very latest Sonys have added this I think. Sharp preamps sound discernibly better (the mzr50 mentioned above notwithstanding). Track editing features vary from deck to deck. There are currently fine quality cheap sharp decks available at returnbuy.com, search for 'minidisc' -- the MT15 for $63 is a fine deal for example. My experience has been no more than about 100 disks a deck before something breaks. But, I tend to be rough on my decks. Microphone quality will be MUCH more important to your final product then deck. If you can get one of these cheap decks (< $100) you would be very well served dump the savings immediately into getting the best quality mic you can afford. Don't record in MDLP modes if quality concerns you -- fine for listening to dubs of BoC at the gym, but not for your own precious recordings! Getting your recordings onto a PC to be used there is a real pain right now. There is simply no good way of doing digital transfer. More on my site at 'the gear I use.' NetMD is NOT a solution to this problem. Best regards, aaron ghede@well.com http://www.quietamerican.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-06-20 15:49Albers, BrianHey, I've been thinking about getting a minidisc player to do field recordings and the lik
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Thu, 20 Jun 2002 08:49:49 -0700
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RE: [idm] Minidisc players
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Hey, I've been thinking about getting a minidisc player to do field recordings and the like. Could anyone give me the scoop on what I should be looking for, pros and cons, etc http://www.minidisco.com/minispecs/sharpmdmt877xb.html I myself haven't tried the Sonys, but I picked up this Sharp a few months ago and it is a miraculous little machine. Definitely on the expensive side ($275 or so) but I think it's worth it, especially if you pisk up one of the good stereo mics from that same website. Pluses- adjustable mic input level. So if you're like me a you record many of the concerts you attend, you can easily avoid oversaturation. SP/LP2/LP4- turn an 80 minute minidisc in 160 minutes or 360 minutes stereo. I've tried the LP2 setting for bootlegging and it sounds great. I've tried the LP4 setting for transferring cds to minidisc and it too sounds great. Also on this machine, there is an adjustable digital input level (!) for transferring cds. It also has a USB port for input to your 'puter. It comes with a rechargebale battery, which I think will only last for a couple hours by itself, but it also has an removable single AA cartridge which will last for half a day or so. If you're lanning on doing field recordings, get (or make) a windscreen. I was recording an afternoon stroll on the Venice Beach boardwalk the other day and the wind noise was overwhelming. I've recorded many recent shows here in LA (multiple Babyland, V Snares, the Cranes) all of which sound really amazing.
2002-06-20 21:01Joel FeverWhat do people recommend for NON-mic recording... as in straight a/d converting... is the
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Thu, 20 Jun 2002 14:01:33 -0700 (PDT)
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What do people recommend for NON-mic recording... as in straight a/d converting... is the technology increasing with minidiscs or is it the same? I want to get one for convenience reasons but would like to put out a quality cd and having a minidisc with cd quality sound would be highly beneficial to me. Is there anything out now or on the horizon that fits my needs... what I will use it for is turntable mixing out of a mixer directly into the minidisc recorder. -Joel "Albers, Brian" <BAlbers@PremiereRadio.com> wrote: Hey, I've been thinking about getting a minidisc player to do field recordings and the like. Could anyone give me the scoop on what I should be looking for, pros and cons, etc http://www.minidisco.com/minispecs/sharpmdmt877xb.html I myself haven't tried the Sonys, but I picked up this Sharp a few months ago and it is a miraculous little machine. Definitely on the expensive side ($275 or so) but I think it's worth it, especially if you pisk up one of the good stereo mics from that same website. Pluses- adjustable mic input level. So if you're like me a you record many of the concerts you attend, you can easily avoid oversaturation. SP/LP2/LP4- turn an 80 minute minidisc in 160 minutes or 360 minutes stereo. I've tried the LP2 setting for bootlegging and it sounds great. I've tried the LP4 setting for transferring cds to minidisc and it too sounds great. Also on this machine, there is an adjustable digital input level (!) for transferring cds. It also has a USB port for input to your 'puter. It comes with a rechargebale battery, which I think will only last for a couple hours by itself, but it also has an removable single AA cartridge which will last for half a day or so. If you're lanning on doing field recordings, get (or make) a windscreen. I was recording an afternoon stroll on the Venice Beach boardwalk the other day and the wind noise was overwhelming. I've recorded many recent shows here in LA (multiple Babyland, V Snares, the Cranes) all of which sound really amazing. DJ Joel Fever - Dancehall Reggae/Hardstep Jungle "First DJ To Endorse Own Hot Sauce" [Skhoolyard Sound System - MA,Neverending Echo - MA] 06.26.02 @ 1625 Tremont St. Solstice Cafe 06.29.02 Tru Dat (HIND CLAW) Asylum + dusting off old tech recs for tag 07.12.02 Tech Assimilation (HIND CLAW) Fuse MIXES FOUND @ http://www.neverending-echo.com/audio.htm http://americandnb.com --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Sign-up for Video Highlights of 2002 FIFA World Cup
2002-06-20 21:39Aaron Ximm> What do people recommend for NON-mic recording... as in straight a/d converting... is th
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Thu, 20 Jun 2002 14:39:00 -0700 (PDT)
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RE: [idm] Minidisc players
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quoted 2 lines What do people recommend for NON-mic recording... as in straight a/d converting... is the > What do people recommend for NON-mic recording... as in straight a/d converting... is the technology increasing with minidiscs or is it the same? I want to get one for convenience reasons but would like to put out a quality cd and having a minidisc with cd quality sound would be highly beneficial to me. Is there anything out now or on the horizon that fits my needs... > what I will use it for is turntable mixing out of a mixer directly into the minidisc recorder.
Alas there is no MD at true CD quality. For that, you can use DAT or (soon) the Nomad 3 MP3 player which happens to record at CD quality: however it currently has some problems, manifest as audible dropping of samples from time to time -- I'm waiting till they sort that out. When they do it'll be a nice option, 20+ hours of CD quality recording on its internal HD. However, to really capitalize on the quality you will want a nice outboard AD convertor -- spendy. Also, I believe the unit does not provide "plug in power" used by many small mics intended for use with portable gear (eg, my Sonic Studios mis, some Core Sound mics, the Sony ECM-9x series...). On the other hand I find MD compression currently almost inaudible when the source signal is good. The weakeness of portable consumer decks is their preamps and (perhaps) their AD convertors. If you are feeding a line level out from a DJ mixer (NOT phono out!) you should get quite high quality results with a decent consumer deck; my experience is that Sharp decks sound slightly better than Sony. Some will definitely tell you to use a lossless medium for your creative process -- I do all my source recording on MD while traveling, and have no complaints. YMMV. Incidentally, Sony currently market a high-density second-gen MD for their MD camera -- but for whatever reason (intellectual property concerns!?) they have not indicated that they will EVER release uncompressed MD recorders. Grrrrrrrrr. Slashdot.org is running a story on a quarter-sized blue-laser format that holds over a gig -- perhaps someday... best aaron ghede@well.com http://www.quietamerican.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org