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interesting thread.. although i completely disagree with the comments that everyone is making the same style of dnb nowadays. surely to prove that theory wrong all you have to do is listen to some of it! i find the popular skittery techno dnb pretty boring (bc, konflict and the like) and sure a lot of this is being made but there are the other styles people have mentioned: -the minimal teebee / polar style (which sounds like a new take on photek's style to me) -paradox' crazy beat construction (he's got his own category) -rave shit (total science and the like) -digital is the king of dubby drum & bass... check out session on function records http://lowerdepths.orcon.net.nz/function.html.. you can check out his dubzilla album there too -there's also equinox by subversive on true intent that sounds like basic channel that's all, dave ===== --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

< interesting thread.. although i completely disagree with the comments that everyone is making the same style of dnb nowadays. > I don't think anyone said every Single artist is making the same style, but a significantly huge portion of the scene has been jumping on the same trends..and few artists have a distinct sound anymore. <surely to prove that theory wrong all you have to do is listen to some of it! > I don't hear much variety, like i use to. < i find the popular skittery techno dnb pretty boring (bc, konflict and the like) > I agree totally with that comment. < and sure a lot of this is being made but there are the other styles people have mentioned: > < -the minimal teebee / polar style (which sounds like a new take on photek's style to me) > I think Teebee's is too influenced by the UK scene. He use to be pretty good, but I don't rate his newer stuff very highly. His first album is worth picking up and so are his older singles... Polar is definitely one of the best people still producing dnb, but he's no Photek. Photek always had really great breaks, Polar's are usually pretty dull...but he makes up for it in melodies < -paradox' crazy beat construction (he's got his own category) > He makes good breaks < -rave shit (total science and the like) > Agreed < -digital is the king of dubby drum & bass... check out session on function records > I was way into Digital for a while, but all his tunes sounded too similar....and I became bored of his work. I think the current state for the last year (+) of dnb is exactly why no one has been talking about it on Idm. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

I love(d) d'n'b, but must confess I don't hear anything lively within its nowadays. However its progeny in particular broken beat fascinates (Likwid Biskit, Seiji, et al). Also, my particular fascination is for the improvisors who have, rather late (c'97 onwards), been infected by the breakbeat virus, stand up: - Erik Truffaz (The Mask, Mantis) - Nils Petter Molvaer (live, can't bear Manfred Eicher's productions on the studio releases) - Rhys Chatham (Hard Edge) - Graham Haynes (dnb, Wagner) (all trumpeters, Miles casts a long shadow) Thanks for the pointer to The Bays, have to give them a listen also. All the best, Colin. np Jon Hassell, '86 Illinois Park. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Yeah I was pretty bored with what was coming out, although I recently heard the Mutationz double pack on DSC14, Trace's label and it is fucking SICK. It is all remixes of the old Trace Mutant track. The Kemal and Stakka and Skynet remixes are off the fucking hook, really got me excited about new drum and bass again. SOZISM.SHT

quoted 67 lines From: William Samuels <w_technoir@yahoo.com>

>From: William Samuels <w_technoir@yahoo.com> >To: David George <dbgeorge@mailandnews.com>, idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [idm] Why doesn't anyone write drum n' bass anymore >Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 17:37:47 -0700 (PDT) > >< interesting thread.. although i completely disagree >with the comments that everyone is making the same >style of dnb nowadays. > > >I don't think anyone said every Single artist is >making the same style, but a significantly huge >portion of the scene has been jumping on the same >trends..and few artists have a distinct sound anymore. > ><surely to prove that theory wrong all you have to do >is listen to some of it! > > >I don't hear much variety, like i use to. > >< i find the popular skittery techno dnb pretty boring >(bc, konflict and the like) > > >I agree totally with that comment. > >< and sure a lot of this is being made but there are >the other styles people have mentioned: > > >< -the minimal teebee / polar style (which sounds like >a new take on photek's style to me) > > >I think Teebee's is too influenced by the UK scene. He >use to be pretty good, but I don't rate his newer >stuff very highly. His first album is worth picking up >and so are his older singles... > >Polar is definitely one of the best people still >producing dnb, but he's no Photek. Photek always had >really great breaks, Polar's are usually pretty >dull...but he makes up for it in melodies > >< -paradox' crazy beat construction (he's got his own >category) > > >He makes good breaks > >< -rave shit (total science and the like) > > >Agreed > >< -digital is the king of dubby drum & bass... check >out session on function records > > >I was way into Digital for a while, but all his tunes >sounded too similar....and I became bored of his work. > >I think the current state for the last year (+) of dnb >is exactly why no one has been talking about it on Idm. > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup >http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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I saw Truffaz at the Knitting Factory in NY a couple of weeks ago and I have to say a couple of the tracks they were doing were pretty fucking wicked. I am pretty sceptical of the whole 'let's-appropriate-youth-culture-to-make-our-same-old-shit-exciting' phenomenon (see david bowie, et al) however the drummer and bassist in Truffaz' Electric Ladyland Quartet were really fucking amazing. The drummer going by the name Captain Planet was just really fucking mind blowing and on top of it. He has this routine where he beatboxes through a megaphone with a delay strapped to it, looping beats, that was just totally thrilling and during the bassist's solo the bassist did a similar thing of banging out beats on the body of his upright and loopin them through a delay and playing bass over them, really wicked. Cant say too much for Truffaz himself but that band is serious fat shit, highly reccomended if you get a chance to catch them live. SOZISM.SHT

quoted 1 line From: Colin Buttimer <c.buttimer@mdx.ac.uk>

>From: Colin Buttimer <c.buttimer@mdx.ac.uk>

quoted 24 lines I love(d) d'n'b, but must confess I don't hear anything lively within been

>I love(d) d'n'b, but must confess I don't hear anything lively within been >infected by the >breakbeat virus, stand up: > >- Erik Truffaz (The Mask, Mantis) >- Nils Petter Molvaer (live, can't bear Manfred Eicher's productions on the >studio releases) >- Rhys Chatham (Hard Edge) >- Graham Haynes (dnb, Wagner) >(all trumpeters, Miles casts a long shadow) > >Thanks for the pointer to The Bays, have to give them a listen also. > >All the best, > >Colin. > >np Jon Hassell, '86 Illinois Park. > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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I've caught Truffaz twice, once with the Ladyland band and once with his previous group (which is best heard on The Mask compilation) - both drummers are amazing, though I particularly loved Marc Erbetta and Patrick Muller (who played his Fender Rhodes through a wah pedal, sigh). There's something about live breakbeat that I love. I know what you mean about appropriation, but Truffaz does it organically. People who fail at this are people like Tim Hagans (Animation/Imagination). 3 weeks time and Truffaz plays here in London. SOZISM.SHT - what did you think of the guitarist? All the best, Colin.

quoted 14 lines I saw Truffaz at the Knitting Factory in NY a couple of weeks ago and I have

> I saw Truffaz at the Knitting Factory in NY a couple of weeks ago and I have > to say a couple of the tracks they were doing were pretty fucking wicked. I > am pretty sceptical of the whole > 'let's-appropriate-youth-culture-to-make-our-same-old-shit-exciting' > phenomenon (see david bowie, et al) however the drummer and bassist in > Truffaz' Electric Ladyland Quartet were really fucking amazing. The drummer > going by the name Captain Planet was just really fucking mind blowing and on > top of it. He has this routine where he beatboxes through a megaphone with > a delay strapped to it, looping beats, that was just totally thrilling and > during the bassist's solo the bassist did a similar thing of banging out > beats on the body of his upright and loopin them through a delay and playing > bass over them, really wicked. Cant say too much for Truffaz himself but > that band is serious fat shit, highly reccomended if you get a chance to > catch them live.

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