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2002-04-09 22:38matt salcido Re: [idm] Digital Cutup Lounge on CNN.com
2002-04-09 23:07lysaabi [idm] appropriation in art [was Digital Cutup Lounge on CNN.com]
2002-04-10 00:16donna summer Re: [idm] appropriation in art [was Digital Cutup Lounge on CNN.com]
└─ 2002-04-10 00:28Andrei Re: [idm] appropriation in art [was Digital Cutup Lounge on CNN.com]
2002-04-10 00:38lysaabi Re: [idm] appropriation in art [was Digital Cutup Lounge on CNN.com]
2002-04-10 02:21matt salcido Re: [idm] appropriation in art [was Digital Cutup Lounge on CNN.com]
└─ 2002-04-10 03:49EggyToast Re: [idm] appropriation in art [was Digital Cutup Lounge on CNN.com]
└─ 2002-04-10 03:02Andrei Re: [idm] appropriation in art [was Digital Cutup Lounge on CNN.com]
2002-04-10 03:39lysaabi Re: [idm] appropriation in art [was Digital Cutup Lounge on CNN.com]
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2002-04-09 22:38matt salcidoi wonder if this sort of nonsense went down during the dada movement... >From: Justin Love
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i wonder if this sort of nonsense went down during the dada movement...
quoted 19 lines From: Justin Lovero <jmlnews@yahoo.com>>From: Justin Lovero <jmlnews@yahoo.com> >To: idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: [idm] Digital Cutup Lounge on CNN.com >Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 14:06:11 -0700 (PDT) > >http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/ptech/04/09/digital.distortion/index.html > >The IDM list members are becoming more legit with each >passing day. =) > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax >http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2002-04-09 23:07lysaabiActually sort of the opposite. Look at Duchamp's readymades - something not originally pre
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Actually sort of the opposite. Look at Duchamp's readymades - something not originally presented as art, presented as art. But really, the first occurrence of sampling is probably with the analytical cubists, using pieces of newspaper in collages. Lisa B matt salcido wrote:
quoted 11 lines i wonder if this sort of nonsense went down during the dada movement...> i wonder if this sort of nonsense went down during the dada movement... > > >From: Justin Lovero <jmlnews@yahoo.com> > >To: idm@hyperreal.org > >Subject: [idm] Digital Cutup Lounge on CNN.com > >Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 14:06:11 -0700 (PDT) > > > >http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/ptech/04/09/digital.distortion/index.html > > > >The IDM list members are becoming more legit with each > >passing day. =)
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2002-04-10 00:16donna summerThe Dada's thrived on public controversey and malcontent. One of the best known examples w
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The Dada's thrived on public controversey and malcontent. One of the best known examples was the first 'Armory Show which was held to celebrate these radicals from Europe showing for the first time in NYC. That was where Duchamp's "Nude decending a staircase" became the "explosion in a shingle factory".
quoted 27 lines Actually sort of the opposite. Look at Duchamp's readymades - something>Actually sort of the opposite. Look at Duchamp's readymades - something >not originally presented as art, presented as art. > >But really, the first occurrence of sampling is probably with the >analytical cubists, using pieces of newspaper in collages. > >Lisa B > >matt salcido wrote: > > > i wonder if this sort of nonsense went down during the dada movement... > > > > >From: Justin Lovero <jmlnews@yahoo.com> > > >To: idm@hyperreal.org > > >Subject: [idm] Digital Cutup Lounge on CNN.com > > >Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 14:06:11 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > >http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/ptech/04/09/digital.distortion/index.html > > > > > >The IDM list members are becoming more legit with each > > >passing day. =) > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2002-04-10 00:28AndreiOn Tue, 9 Apr 2002, donna summer wrote: > The Dada's thrived on public controversey and ma
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On Tue, 9 Apr 2002, donna summer wrote:
quoted 1 line The Dada's thrived on public controversey and malcontent.> The Dada's thrived on public controversey and malcontent.
I think the Dadaists thrived on defying rationality and conventions. Andrei --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-04-10 00:38lysaabi"Nude descending a Staircase" is actually one of my favorite paintings. I apologize for pi
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"Nude descending a Staircase" is actually one of my favorite paintings. I apologize for picking nits, but that's actually an analytical cubist painting, rather than dada-ist, or surrealist. Two aspects of dadaism are nonsense and the element of chance(such as dropping pieces of paper, and collaging them where they fall - a precurser to Pollack). The two are not required to be present together for a work to be considered dada, however. Hence,the painting in question is not dada, because the depiction of the human form descending a staircase is neither nonsense, nor random in nature. Analytical cubism can be recognised by the dissection of the form into planes in space, with some of the planes perhap tilted, abstracted, or distorted. Duchamp's addition of the depiction of the movement of a form through space over a period of time is somewhat unique within analytical cubsim, however. donna summer wrote:
quoted 6 lines The Dada's thrived on public controversey and malcontent. One of the best> The Dada's thrived on public controversey and malcontent. One of the best > known examples was the first 'Armory Show which was held to celebrate these > radicals from Europe showing for the first time in NYC. That was where > Duchamp's "Nude decending a staircase" became the "explosion in a shingle > factory". >
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2002-04-10 02:21matt salcidoi always thought collage work began in the dada movement but then again i dont really foll
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i always thought collage work began in the dada movement but then again i dont really follow art history that much. couldnt we also apply this whole sampling issue to photography? lets say i decide to take a picture of some building and i call that picture my own and i sell it for lots of money. shouldn't i pay the architect royalties if well all played by the same rules? the architect designed and built the building on which i based my photograph. thats more or less the same argument against sampling. (i support of sampling - im just sort of posing this question as something to think about.) matt
quoted 32 lines From: lysaabi <lysaabi@earthlink.net>>From: lysaabi <lysaabi@earthlink.net> >To: eye dee em <idm@hyperreal.org> >Subject: [idm] appropriation in art [was Digital Cutup Lounge on CNN.com] >Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 16:07:55 -0700 > >Actually sort of the opposite. Look at Duchamp's readymades - something >not originally presented as art, presented as art. > >But really, the first occurrence of sampling is probably with the >analytical cubists, using pieces of newspaper in collages. > >Lisa B > >matt salcido wrote: > > > i wonder if this sort of nonsense went down during the dada movement... > > > > >From: Justin Lovero <jmlnews@yahoo.com> > > >To: idm@hyperreal.org > > >Subject: [idm] Digital Cutup Lounge on CNN.com > > >Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 14:06:11 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > >http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/ptech/04/09/digital.distortion/index.html > > > > > >The IDM list members are becoming more legit with each > > >passing day. =) > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2002-04-10 03:49EggyToastAt 02:21 AM 4/10/2002 +0000, you wrote: >i always thought collage work began in the dada m
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At 02:21 AM 4/10/2002 +0000, you wrote:
quoted 9 lines i always thought collage work began in the dada movement but then again i>i always thought collage work began in the dada movement but then again i >dont really follow art history that much. couldnt we also apply this >whole sampling issue to photography? lets say i decide to take a picture >of some building and i call that picture my own and i sell it for lots of >money. shouldn't i pay the architect royalties if well all played by the >same rules? the architect designed and built the building on which i based >my photograph. thats more or less the same argument against sampling. (i >support of sampling - im just sort of posing this question as something to >think about.)
I know there's been at least one case of something similar to this. The Mona Lisa is, of course, artwork within the public domain, so anyone can copy it, take a picture, etc. But what about that picture? There was someone, I think it was an AP photographer, who took a picture of the Mona Lisa and said that it was an original photograph, since he staged it, set up the lighting, etc. Similar to collage work. Whether or not this is valid art is, of course, up to the critical eye of each individual. But it's definitely interesting. Lends an amount of weight to arguments against copyright, too... derek ------- eggytoast.com ------- with lather thingy --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-04-10 03:02AndreiOn Tue, 9 Apr 2002, EggyToast wrote: > At 02:21 AM 4/10/2002 +0000, you wrote: > >i always
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On Tue, 9 Apr 2002, EggyToast wrote:
quoted 9 lines At 02:21 AM 4/10/2002 +0000, you wrote:> At 02:21 AM 4/10/2002 +0000, you wrote: > >i always thought collage work began in the dada movement... > > I know there's been at least one case of something similar to this. The > Mona Lisa is, of course, artwork within the public domain, so anyone can > copy it, take a picture, etc. But what about that picture? There was > someone, I think it was an AP photographer, who took a picture of the Mona > Lisa and said that it was an original photograph, since he staged it, set > up the lighting, etc. Similar to collage work.
Duchamp drew a beard and a moustache on the Mona Lisa and called the piece "she has a hot ass". And then Picabia did "Mona Lisa with Moustache after Marcel Duchamp". Andrei --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-04-10 03:39lysaabiBut if you reread my statement, I'm referring to the earlist sampling, not collage. yeah,
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But if you reread my statement, I'm referring to the earlist sampling, not collage. yeah, the whole issue of appropriation is quite complex.... : ) matt salcido wrote:
quoted 54 lines i always thought collage work began in the dada movement but then again i> i always thought collage work began in the dada movement but then again i > dont really follow art history that much. couldnt we also apply this whole > sampling issue to photography? lets say i decide to take a picture of some > building and i call that picture my own and i sell it for lots of money. > shouldn't i pay the architect royalties if well all played by the same > rules? the architect designed and built the building on which i based my > photograph. thats more or less the same argument against sampling. (i > support of sampling - im just sort of posing this question as something to > think about.) > > matt > > >From: lysaabi <lysaabi@earthlink.net> > >To: eye dee em <idm@hyperreal.org> > >Subject: [idm] appropriation in art [was Digital Cutup Lounge on CNN.com] > >Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 16:07:55 -0700 > > > >Actually sort of the opposite. Look at Duchamp's readymades - something > >not originally presented as art, presented as art. > > > >But really, the first occurrence of sampling is probably with the > >analytical cubists, using pieces of newspaper in collages. > > > >Lisa B > > > >matt salcido wrote: > > > > > i wonder if this sort of nonsense went down during the dada movement... > > > > > > >From: Justin Lovero <jmlnews@yahoo.com> > > > >To: idm@hyperreal.org > > > >Subject: [idm] Digital Cutup Lounge on CNN.com > > > >Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 14:06:11 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > > > >http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/ptech/04/09/digital.distortion/index.html > > > > > > > >The IDM list members are becoming more legit with each > > > >passing day. =) > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > ******************************************* > your mamma's so fat she fell down and broke the earth. > ******************************************* > http://www.humboldt.edu/~mds40 > ******************************************* > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx
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