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2001-12-14 03:39Static Beats [idm] Vice Versa
2001-12-14 03:59component Re: [idm] Vice Versa
└─ 2001-12-14 15:41Gil Re: [idm] Vice Versa
2001-12-14 05:45Static Beats Re: [idm] Vice Versa
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2001-12-14 06:27lazlo Re: [idm] Vice Versa
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2001-12-14 07:40lazlo Re: [idm] Vice Versa
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2001-12-14 08:38lazlo Re: [idm] Vice Versa
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2001-12-14 13:49Adam Piontek Re: [idm] Vice Versa
2001-12-14 15:21lazlo Re: [idm] Vice Versa
2001-12-14 15:22lazlo Re: [idm] Vice Versa
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└─ 2001-12-14 22:38Record Camp RE: [idm] Vice Versa / sellwell / chocolate industries
2001-12-15 08:26philippe petit [idm] Vice Versa
2001-12-15 17:48Armchair Charlie Re: [idm] Vice Versa
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2001-12-14 03:39Static BeatsDamn. The packaging on this new Funkstorung release is exquisite. I haven't yet had a chan
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Damn. The packaging on this new Funkstorung release is exquisite. I haven't yet had a chance to listen to it. I still can't get over the effort put into the presentation :) Ciao! Shimone/Justes http://www.staticbeats.com | Electronic Music http://www.shimone.org | Digital Photography
2001-12-14 03:59componentThe mixes are actually really good too :) Rob! ::::::Component Records::::::: Box 783, Som
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The mixes are actually really good too :) Rob! ::::::Component Records::::::: Box 783, Somers, Ct 06071 www.componentrecords.com Out Now: Neutronic-"The Mutation Engine" ----- Original Message ----- From: Static Beats <idm-list@staticbeats.com> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 10:39 PM Subject: [idm] Vice Versa Damn. The packaging on this new Funkstorung release is exquisite. I haven't yet had a chance to listen to it. I still can't get over the effort put into the presentation :) Ciao! Shimone/Justes http://www.staticbeats.com | Electronic Music http://www.shimone.org | Digital Photography --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-12-14 15:41GilI dropped the Speedy J Somthing For Your Mind rmx on wednesday night and everyone stopped
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I dropped the Speedy J Somthing For Your Mind rmx on wednesday night and everyone stopped what they were doing to listen. It's really a great album :) Who's the singer on the second track who sounds like Morissey? :) On Thu, 13 Dec 2001, component wrote:
quoted 33 lines The mixes are actually really good too :)> The mixes are actually really good too :) > > Rob! > ::::::Component Records::::::: > Box 783, Somers, Ct 06071 > www.componentrecords.com > Out Now: Neutronic-"The Mutation Engine" > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Static Beats <idm-list@staticbeats.com> > To: <idm@hyperreal.org> > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 10:39 PM > Subject: [idm] Vice Versa > > > Damn. The packaging on this new Funkstorung release is exquisite. > I haven't yet had a chance to listen to it. I still can't get over the effort put into the presentation :) > > Ciao! > > > Shimone/Justes > http://www.staticbeats.com | Electronic Music > http://www.shimone.org | Digital Photography > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2001-12-14 05:45Static BeatsDamn I'm finally listening to this. Some of these mixes are REALLY good. Fuck. I highly re
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Damn I'm finally listening to this. Some of these mixes are REALLY good. Fuck. I highly recommend people check this out! Talk about IDM and vocals... know one does it better. Shimone/Justes http://www.staticbeats.com | Electronic Music http://www.shimone.org | Digital Photography ----- Original Message ----- From: "component" <component@mindstorm.com> To: "Static Beats" <idm-list@staticbeats.com>; <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 7:59 PM Subject: Re: [idm] Vice Versa
quoted 19 lines The mixes are actually really good too :)> The mixes are actually really good too :) > > Rob! > ::::::Component Records::::::: > Box 783, Somers, Ct 06071 > www.componentrecords.com > Out Now: Neutronic-"The Mutation Engine" > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Static Beats <idm-list@staticbeats.com> > To: <idm@hyperreal.org> > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 10:39 PM > Subject: [idm] Vice Versa > > > Damn. The packaging on this new Funkstorung release is exquisite. > I haven't yet had a chance to listen to it. I still can't get over the
effort put into the presentation :)
quoted 14 lines Ciao!> > Ciao! > > > Shimone/Justes > http://www.staticbeats.com | Electronic Music > http://www.shimone.org | Digital Photography > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2001-12-14 05:57EggyToastAt 09:45 PM 12/13/2001 -0800, you wrote: >Damn I'm finally listening to this. >Some of the
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At 09:45 PM 12/13/2001 -0800, you wrote:
quoted 7 lines Damn I'm finally listening to this.>Damn I'm finally listening to this. >Some of these mixes are REALLY good. >Fuck. I highly recommend people >check this out! > >Talk about IDM and vocals... >know one does it better.
Well, I hope they do a good job. They sure seem to have a hard time making their own tracks anymore. derek ------- eggytoast.com ------- everyone's doing it --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-12-14 06:27lazlo> Well, I hope they do a good job. They sure seem to have a hard time making > their own t
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quoted 2 lines Well, I hope they do a good job. They sure seem to have a hard time making> Well, I hope they do a good job. They sure seem to have a hard time making > their own tracks anymore.
Right, absolutely...what was that last bit of tripe, Appetite for Disctruction or some shit like that? Came out in, ohmigod, April of last year. Geez...what fuckers to think they have their own lives, running a label, touring, and one of them having a kid. What wankers... If you want to bitch about anyone, bitch about Bola...that fricking album's been done since April of this year and it's not out yet (Rob Hall spun the disk on the Ae tour this summer). And a pink 7" isn't enough...not by a damn sight... laz --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-12-14 06:54EggyToastAt 12:27 AM 12/14/2001 -0600, lazlo wrote: > > Well, I hope they do a good job. They sure
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At 12:27 AM 12/14/2001 -0600, lazlo wrote:
quoted 8 lines Well, I hope they do a good job. They sure seem to have a hard time making> > Well, I hope they do a good job. They sure seem to have a hard time making > > their own tracks anymore. > >Right, absolutely...what was that last bit of tripe, Appetite for Disctruction >or some shit like that? Came out in, ohmigod, April of last >year. Geez...what >fuckers to think they have their own lives, running a label, touring, and one >of them having a kid. What wankers...
And yet seem to have plenty of time to remix everyone else's tracks, giving them that "unique funkstorung flavor" that, ironically, also seems to exist only on those remix tracks. derek ------- eggytoast.com ------- snappy one-liner --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-12-14 07:40lazlo> And yet seem to have plenty of time to remix everyone else's tracks, giving > them that
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quoted 3 lines And yet seem to have plenty of time to remix everyone else's tracks, giving> And yet seem to have plenty of time to remix everyone else's tracks, giving > them that "unique funkstorung flavor" that, ironically, also seems to exist > only on those remix tracks.
Remixes = money to live on and write music Albums = where you spend that money you made doing remixes What are you, new? A friend recently posted Soundscan stats on Ae's releases, which at best top out around 15,000 sales (in the US, mind you) for the duration of any one particular release. Yet they're well known for charging $3k for one single remix. Figuring that their take on each album *might* amount to a few thousand spread out over many years of sales, how do you think they afford new gear (much less the food/clothes/shelter/drugs they need to keep making music--living in England, no less)? Even granting them a 5-figure advance from Warp for being that label's bread'n'butter (questionable but likely), it's not enough to support *two* people for the entire two year period it takes for those two to crank out an album. Ten $3k remixes (along with touring receipts, licensing, etc) in one year amounts to muy burritos and rent and... The money politics are the same for Funkstorung...or Orbital...or Atom (Heart)...or... It ain't laser physics, man... laz --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-12-14 07:59EggyToastAt 01:40 AM 12/14/2001 -0600, you wrote: >The money politics are the same for Funkstorung.
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At 01:40 AM 12/14/2001 -0600, you wrote:
quoted 4 lines The money politics are the same for Funkstorung...or Orbital...or Atom>The money politics are the same for Funkstorung...or Orbital...or Atom >(Heart)...or... > >It ain't laser physics, man...
How clever. Yes, it's business and personal finance. Thanks for enlightening the list. I really don't care how they live their lives, or what they put out, or how often. It's just blaringly obvious they're more interested in being businessmen makin' some money as the "breakthrough IDM remixers" using the same samples and styles instead of putting some effort into some new tracks of their own. Oh, and they're semi-enigmantic and German, which always helps. derek ------- eggytoast.com ------- snappy one-liner --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-12-14 08:38lazlo> I really don't care how they live their lives, or what they put out, or how > often. It'
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quoted 7 lines I really don't care how they live their lives, or what they put out, or how> I really don't care how they live their lives, or what they put out, or how > often. It's just blaringly obvious they're more interested in being > businessmen makin' some money as the "breakthrough IDM remixers" using the > same samples and styles instead of putting some effort into some new tracks > of their own. > > Oh, and they're semi-enigmantic and German, which always helps.
It's "blaringly obvious" you've not read much about the boys, now isn't it? Listen much to Vice Versa? That first track is an original they've made *with* Jay-Jay Johanson--they're producing her album. And if you missed it it's kinda jazzy...which ain't "the same samples and styles" they've done before. It appears you need more enlightenment...and as for this list... There are plenty of people on this list who don't shoot their mouth off about shit for which they lack a modicum of fact. And what's the crack about being German? Some sort of ad hominem? Shall I presume your naiveté based on your email address ending in .edu? No, that would be illogical... laz --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-12-14 10:55Irene McCOn 14 Dec 2001, at 2:38, lazlo wrote: > That first track is an original they've made *with
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On 14 Dec 2001, at 2:38, lazlo wrote:
quoted 2 lines That first track is an original they've made *with*> That first track is an original they've made *with* > Jay-Jay Johanson--they're producing her album.
*her* ??? AFAIK Jay-Jay Johanson is a HE, considering he did that track "tell all the girls I'm back in town" or whatever the exact title may be (off the album Whiskey, which I've got buried somewhere, but am far too lazy to go search for in this sweaty heat).
quoted 3 lines It appears you need more enlightenment...and as for this list...> It appears you need more enlightenment...and as for this list... > There are plenty of people on this list who don't shoot their mouth > off about shit for which they lack a modicum of fact.
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2001-12-14 13:49Adam Piontek----- Original Message ----- From: "lazlo" <muziq@ionet.net> Sent: Friday, December 14, 20
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----- Original Message ----- From: "lazlo" <muziq@ionet.net> Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 1:27 AM
quoted 2 lines If you want to bitch about anyone, bitch about Bola...that fricking> > If you want to bitch about anyone, bitch about Bola...that fricking
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quoted 1 line been done since April of this year and it's not out yet (Rob Hall spun the> been done since April of this year and it's not out yet (Rob Hall spun the
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quoted 2 lines on the Ae tour this summer). And a pink 7" isn't enough...not by a damn> on the Ae tour this summer). And a pink 7" isn't enough...not by a damn > sight...
yours is pink? mine's just regular black. now i feel like a loser, not getting a pink one. well anyway, it was still worth the wait. top quality stuff. as for not getting it out, is that bola's fault, or skam's fault? hmm... .Adam http://www.damek.org/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-12-14 15:21lazlo> AFAIK Jay-Jay Johanson is a HE, Pardon me for my typographical mistake. Please... > > It
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quoted 1 line AFAIK Jay-Jay Johanson is a HE,> AFAIK Jay-Jay Johanson is a HE,
Pardon me for my typographical mistake. Please...
quoted 5 lines It appears you need more enlightenment...and as for this list...> > It appears you need more enlightenment...and as for this list... > > There are plenty of people on this list who don't shoot their mouth > > off about shit for which they lack a modicum of fact. > > Yes quite.
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2001-12-14 15:22lazlo> as for not getting it out, is that bola's fault, or skam's fault? hmm... Since I do not
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quoted 1 line as for not getting it out, is that bola's fault, or skam's fault? hmm...> as for not getting it out, is that bola's fault, or skam's fault? hmm...
Since I do not know for sure why Bola's album is so delayed, I will not venture a hypothesis about it... :) laz --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-12-14 15:46GilThat new 7" is pretty nice tho' I can't help but thinking they're doing the updated rendit
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That new 7" is pretty nice tho' I can't help but thinking they're doing the updated rendition of skinny puppy. Not quite the same intensity, but really intelligent industrial leanings going on. On Fri, 14 Dec 2001, lazlo wrote:
quoted 14 lines as for not getting it out, is that bola's fault, or skam's fault? hmm...> > as for not getting it out, is that bola's fault, or skam's fault? hmm... > > Since I do not know for sure why Bola's album is so delayed, I will not venture > a hypothesis about it... > > :) > > laz > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2001-12-14 22:38Record CampThat record is pretty damn great, I don't really care whose tracks they are, its still one
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That record is pretty damn great, I don't really care whose tracks they are, its still one of the best releases of the year for me. If you put The recent force Clip Hop compilation, the nummer drie comp and vice versa into a cd changer you get pure bliss. on a side note, has anyone picked up the peabird 12" on sellwell.de?, I'm pretty sure this is funkstorung as it seems to be a single off of appetite just released under a different alias, has a sample from that greenwood song, nice artwerk too. It really good, rather jazzy. lastly, anyone pick up the new choc industries 12", I think the artist is called Diverse. ~CF http://www.recordcamp.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-12-15 08:26philippe petitSince I do not know for sure why Bola's album is so delayed, I will not venture a hypothes
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Since I do not know for sure why Bola's album is so delayed, I will not venture a hypothesis about it... indeed Laz, so you realise that sometimes you too belong to the category below :
quoted 4 lines It appears you need more enlightenment...and as for this list...> > It appears you need more enlightenment...and as for this list... > > There are plenty of people on this list who don't shoot their mouth > > off about shit for which they lack a modicum of fact. >
nothing personal against you of course, just didn't like the way you say things. As the Free masons used to say : "errare humanum est, sed perseverare diabolicum est" Ciao. [ have a nice evening / philippe ] | 0000 \\\\.. \\\\ __ http://www.bip-hop.com _---||||...\\\\..\\\\ | 0000 --------- unconventional sound adventures ---------- <> | XXX ¨¨¨¨¨¨¨ adventurous & creative electronica ----------- \\
2001-12-15 17:48Armchair Charlie>Remixes = money to live on and write music >Albums = where you spend that money you made
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quoted 2 lines Remixes = money to live on and write music>Remixes = money to live on and write music >Albums = where you spend that money you made doing remixes
I wouldn't bet my life on it, but I would assume that most successful electronic musicians, idm and otherwise, make most of their money playing live, touring and whatnot. Most people who run or help run a label (Funkst?rung, Ae, Phoenecia, RDJ) and have money to fund it are usually people who play live regularly. That's pretty apparent. Besides, I wouldn't bet that Funkst?rung got paid for all the tracks they remixed. I would guess some of the tracks were maybe just remixed for fun (WuTang?), and they ended up having to pay a small royalty to the respective artists. I don't know that for sure though.
quoted 1 line It ain't laser physics, man...>It ain't laser physics, man...
Neither's brain surgery. -char _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org