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2001-09-11 15:59Aaron Trumm [idm] to the guy who watched from roof
└─ 2001-09-11 19:30activity@activaire RE: [idm] to the guy who watched from roof
└─ 2001-09-11 17:17The soul that creates [idm] Best wishes to all in NYC
2001-09-11 21:20Reading, John RE: [idm] Best wishes to all in NYC
2001-09-12 06:22Reading, John FW: [idm] Best wishes to all in NYC
└─ 2001-09-12 07:12Zenon M Feszczak Re: FW: [idm] Best wishes to all in NYC
2001-09-12 06:36somrux Re: [idm] Best wishes to all in NYC
2001-09-12 13:42Alan Newberger Re: [idm] Best wishes to all in NYC
2001-09-12 14:23anna . Re: [idm] Best wishes to all in NYC
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2001-09-11 15:59Aaron TrummI have a question for the guy who just watched the towers collapse from his roof - did you
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I have a question for the guy who just watched the towers collapse from his roof - did you watch both? how did you know to be on your roof?? I just watched the plane crash into the building and both collapses - how did camera crews know to be filming that building before that plane crashed into it? was there time after the first plane crashed? ----------------------------------------------------------------- Aaron Trumm NQuit (Never Never Quit) aaron@nquit.com www.nquit.com Music Available At: * http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/thirdoption * http://www.joesgrille.com/store/p-8633.html * http://thirdoption.iuma.com * http://ubl.artistdirect.com/fp2.asp?layout=artist_card&artistid=476400 * http://www.cdstreet.com/artists/nquit/ * http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00005JJEY/qid%3D988850999/104-9190496-7143939 * http://www.mp3.com/thirdoption * http://www.stationmp3.com/stationMP3/musicians/index.cfm?id=204 * http://www.musicbuilder.com/Third_Option/ * http://thirdoption.djcentral.com
2001-09-11 19:30activity@activaireThere are always camera crews in the area because its so close to city hall, also most new
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There are always camera crews in the area because its so close to city hall, also most news stations keep a camera pointed at the wtc at all times to use as a backdrop. We missed the first tower collapse, and were about to come down off the roof when the second one came down. Manhattan looks surreal right now. ____________________________________________ Adesh Deosaran Uneven Foundation T 1(718)349-1578 F 1(718)504-4010 adesh@unevenfoundation.com www.unevenfoundation.com -----Original Message----- From: Aaron Trumm [mailto:aaron@nquit.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 9:00 AM To: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: [idm] to the guy who watched from roof I have a question for the guy who just watched the towers collapse from his roof - did you watch both? how did you know to be on your roof?? I just watched the plane crash into the building and both collapses - how did camera crews know to be filming that building before that plane crashed into it? was there time after the first plane crashed? ----------------------------------------------------------------- Aaron Trumm NQuit (Never Never Quit) aaron@nquit.com www.nquit.com Music Available At: * http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/thirdoption * http://www.joesgrille.com/store/p-8633.html * http://thirdoption.iuma.com * http://ubl.artistdirect.com/fp2.asp?layout=artist_card&artistid=476400 * http://www.cdstreet.com/artists/nquit/ * http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00005JJEY/qid%3D988850999/104-919049 6-7143939 * http://www.mp3.com/thirdoption * http://www.stationmp3.com/stationMP3/musicians/index.cfm?id=204 * http://www.musicbuilder.com/Third_Option/ * http://thirdoption.djcentral.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-09-11 17:17The soul that createsFirst I wish the best to all of you in NYC, I hope you and your families are and remain ok
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First I wish the best to all of you in NYC, I hope you and your families are and remain ok.... second...a big shut the fuck up to the people or person talking about this very serious matter as if we should disregard it as no different than the stuff that goes on else-where in the world....were talking about 10,000-50,000+ lives lost in a matter of a few hours....this is major, and its our homeland, our friends, brothers, mothers, fathers, etc....this is not a matter to try and shed light on, and more-over it is not a matter to segregate ourselves in anger over. It is time to collect, time to mourn, and time to look forward. Again, I wish all of you in NYC the best of wishes and hope that some of you more insensitive to the situation can either show some compassion or be quiet. xavior havok (cofanx) ===== Kounterakt in constant evolution.http://www.kounterakt.cjb.net ("Industrial",Rock, Experimental, I.D.M.)Circle Of Anxietyhttp://www.cofanx.cjb.net (should appeal to fans of all sorts of I.D.M.) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-09-11 21:20Reading, Johnit's been a very stressful dy. i'll be posting photos to my webpage along with my story. u
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it's been a very stressful dy. i'll be posting photos to my webpage along with my story. unreal. -----Original Message----- From: The soul that creates Sent: Tue 9/11/2001 1:17 PM To: idm@hyperreal.org Cc: Subject: [idm] Best wishes to all in NYC First I wish the best to all of you in NYC, I hope you and your families are and remain ok.... second...a big shut the fuck up to the people or person talking about this very serious matter as if we should disregard it as no different than the stuff that goes on else-where in the world....were talking about 10,000-50,000+ lives lost in a matter of a few hours....this is major, and its our homeland, our friends, brothers, mothers, fathers, etc....this is not a matter to try and shed light on, and more-over it is not a matter to segregate ourselves in anger over. It is time to collect, time to mourn, and time to look forward. Again, I wish all of you in NYC the best of wishes and hope that some of you more insensitive to the situation can either show some compassion or be quiet. xavior havok (cofanx) ===== Kounterakt in constant evolution.http://www.kounterakt.cjb.net ("Industrial",Rock, Experimental, I.D.M.)Circle Of Anxietyhttp://www.cofanx.cjb.net (should appeal to fans of all sorts of I.D.M.) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-09-12 06:22Reading, JohnIt's not up yet. I'm stunned. I took photos and watched the entire incident from 6th ave a
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It's not up yet. I'm stunned. I took photos and watched the entire incident from 6th ave and 9th stret in the village. I talked to everybody. The city is in a dulled stupor. I feel as if a piece of my soul has been ripped out and destroyed. My office is downtown next to the exchange. THANK GOD i was going in late, which is not a usual thing. Many of my friends and co-workers were in the plumes running like on the networks. st. Vinect's was going nuts. i can;t sleep tonight for sure. I'd like to get together with other NY listee's. It;s just unreal and NY will never be the same. -----Original Message----- From: kiya "i am a copier" babzani Sent: Tue 9/11/2001 5:30 PM To: Reading, John Cc: Subject: Re: [idm] Best wishes to all in NYC what's your pages' url? thanks.. -kiya i am a copier. we are not all copiers. ----- Original Message ----- From: Reading, John <jreading@proxicom.com> To: The soul that creates <themourn@yahoo.com>; <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 2:20 PM Subject: RE: [idm] Best wishes to all in NYC > it's been a very stressful dy. > i'll be posting photos to my webpage along with my story. unreal. > > -----Original Message----- > From: The soul that creates > Sent: Tue 9/11/2001 1:17 PM > To: idm@hyperreal.org > Cc: > Subject: [idm] Best wishes to all in NYC > > > > First I wish the best to all of you in NYC, I hope you
quoted 1 line and your families are and remain ok....> and your families are and remain ok....
> > second...a big shut the fuck up to the people or > person talking about this very serious matter as if we
quoted 1 line should disregard it as no different than the stuff> should disregard it as no different than the stuff
> that goes on else-where in the world....were talking > about 10,000-50,000+ lives lost in a matter of a few > hours....this is major, and its our homeland, our > friends, brothers, mothers, fathers, etc....this is > not a matter to try and shed light on, and more-over > it is not a matter to segregate ourselves in anger > over. > It is time to collect, time to mourn, and time to look
quoted 1 line forward.> forward.
> > Again, I wish all of you in NYC the best of wishes and
quoted 1 line hope that some of you more insensitive to the> hope that some of you more insensitive to the
> situation can either show some compassion or be quiet.
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> xavior havok (cofanx) > > ===== > Kounterakt in constant evolution.http://www.kounterakt.cjb.net > ("Industrial",Rock, Experimental, I.D.M.)Circle Of > Anxietyhttp://www.cofanx.cjb.net (should appeal to fans of all sorts > of I.D.M.) > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with > Yahoo! Messenger > http://im.yahoo.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------- > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-09-12 07:12Zenon M FeszczakCiao, A strange and surreal calm in the East Village of Manhattan. The city is shut down b
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Ciao, A strange and surreal calm in the East Village of Manhattan. The city is shut down below 14th Street. The only movement is the occasional emergency vehicle, the only sound that of sirens. The air is unhealthy with strange dust. The sense of a war zone... 3 -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-09-12 06:36somruxThis just in from Intelligence Authorities in Mass: 5 Arab suspects just ID'ed... Not sayi
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This just in from Intelligence Authorities in Mass: 5 Arab suspects just ID'ed... Not saying names yet. My brother in law is a Marine, and he and his entire unit has been scrambled out. Dunno where... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Reading, John" <jreading@proxicom.com> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 1:22 AM Subject: FW: [idm] Best wishes to all in NYC
quoted 108 lines It's not up yet. I'm stunned. I took photos and watched the> It's not up yet. I'm stunned. I took photos and watched the > entire incident from 6th ave and 9th stret in the village. I talked to > everybody. The city is in a dulled stupor. I feel as if a piece of my > soul has been ripped out and destroyed. > My office is downtown next to the exchange. THANK GOD i was > going in late, which is not a usual thing. Many of my friends and > co-workers were in the plumes running like on the networks. > st. Vinect's was going nuts. > i can;t sleep tonight for sure. > I'd like to get together with other NY listee's. It;s just > unreal and NY will never be the same. > > -----Original Message----- > From: kiya "i am a copier" babzani > Sent: Tue 9/11/2001 5:30 PM > To: Reading, John > Cc: > Subject: Re: [idm] Best wishes to all in NYC > > > > what's your pages' url? > thanks.. > > -kiya > i am a copier. > we are not > all copiers. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Reading, John <jreading@proxicom.com> > To: The soul that creates <themourn@yahoo.com>; > <idm@hyperreal.org> > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 2:20 PM > Subject: RE: [idm] Best wishes to all in NYC > > > > it's been a very stressful dy. > > i'll be posting photos to my webpage along with my > story. unreal. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: The soul that creates > > Sent: Tue 9/11/2001 1:17 PM > > To: idm@hyperreal.org > > Cc: > > Subject: [idm] Best wishes to all in NYC > > > > > > > > First I wish the best to all of you in NYC, I hope you > > and your families are and remain ok.... > > > > second...a big shut the fuck up to the people or > > person talking about this very serious matter as if we > > should disregard it as no different than the stuff > > that goes on else-where in the world....were talking > > about 10,000-50,000+ lives lost in a matter of a few > > hours....this is major, and its our homeland, our > > friends, brothers, mothers, fathers, etc....this is > > not a matter to try and shed light on, and more-over > > it is not a matter to segregate ourselves in anger > > over. > > It is time to collect, time to mourn, and time to look > > forward. > > > > Again, I wish all of you in NYC the best of wishes and > > hope that some of you more insensitive to the > > situation can either show some compassion or be quiet. > > > > xavior havok (cofanx) > > > > ===== > > Kounterakt in constant > evolution.http://www.kounterakt.cjb.net > > ("Industrial",Rock, Experimental, I.D.M.)Circle Of > > Anxietyhttp://www.cofanx.cjb.net (should appeal to > fans of all sorts > > of I.D.M.) > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging > with > > Yahoo! Messenger > > http://im.yahoo.com > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: > idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -------- > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: > idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
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2001-09-12 13:42Alan Newbergertotally fucking crazy. I'm in NYC as well, right near you at 6th ave. and 10th st., was st
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totally fucking crazy. I'm in NYC as well, right near you at 6th ave. and 10th st., was stupid enough to go to work downtown and lucky enough to get away ok... got some photos at http://www.squiddity.com/catastrophe. unbelievable... feel free and reply to this or email me at squiddity@hotmail.com, I'm in the currently in the village. -alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Reading, John" <jreading@proxicom.com> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 2:22 AM Subject: FW: [idm] Best wishes to all in NYC
quoted 108 lines It's not up yet. I'm stunned. I took photos and watched the> It's not up yet. I'm stunned. I took photos and watched the > entire incident from 6th ave and 9th stret in the village. I talked to > everybody. The city is in a dulled stupor. I feel as if a piece of my > soul has been ripped out and destroyed. > My office is downtown next to the exchange. THANK GOD i was > going in late, which is not a usual thing. Many of my friends and > co-workers were in the plumes running like on the networks. > st. Vinect's was going nuts. > i can;t sleep tonight for sure. > I'd like to get together with other NY listee's. It;s just > unreal and NY will never be the same. > > -----Original Message----- > From: kiya "i am a copier" babzani > Sent: Tue 9/11/2001 5:30 PM > To: Reading, John > Cc: > Subject: Re: [idm] Best wishes to all in NYC > > > > what's your pages' url? > thanks.. > > -kiya > i am a copier. > we are not > all copiers. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Reading, John <jreading@proxicom.com> > To: The soul that creates <themourn@yahoo.com>; > <idm@hyperreal.org> > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 2:20 PM > Subject: RE: [idm] Best wishes to all in NYC > > > > it's been a very stressful dy. > > i'll be posting photos to my webpage along with my > story. unreal. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: The soul that creates > > Sent: Tue 9/11/2001 1:17 PM > > To: idm@hyperreal.org > > Cc: > > Subject: [idm] Best wishes to all in NYC > > > > > > > > First I wish the best to all of you in NYC, I hope you > > and your families are and remain ok.... > > > > second...a big shut the fuck up to the people or > > person talking about this very serious matter as if we > > should disregard it as no different than the stuff > > that goes on else-where in the world....were talking > > about 10,000-50,000+ lives lost in a matter of a few > > hours....this is major, and its our homeland, our > > friends, brothers, mothers, fathers, etc....this is > > not a matter to try and shed light on, and more-over > > it is not a matter to segregate ourselves in anger > > over. > > It is time to collect, time to mourn, and time to look > > forward. > > > > Again, I wish all of you in NYC the best of wishes and > > hope that some of you more insensitive to the > > situation can either show some compassion or be quiet. > > > > xavior havok (cofanx) > > > > ===== > > Kounterakt in constant > evolution.http://www.kounterakt.cjb.net > > ("Industrial",Rock, Experimental, I.D.M.)Circle Of > > Anxietyhttp://www.cofanx.cjb.net (should appeal to > fans of all sorts > > of I.D.M.) > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging > with > > Yahoo! Messenger > > http://im.yahoo.com > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: > idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -------- > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: > idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
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2001-09-12 14:23anna .hi Alan, i'm glad to see you're ok. i'm a few blocks away from you and just returned from
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hi Alan, i'm glad to see you're ok. i'm a few blocks away from you and just returned from a brief walk outside. i kept seeing people staring at the sky towards the mutual life building, where the towers used to be, in total disbelief. nothing is like it used to be. -anna
quoted 133 lines From: "Alan Newberger" <idmsquid@hotmail.com>>From: "Alan Newberger" <idmsquid@hotmail.com> >To: "Reading, John" <jreading@proxicom.com>, <idm@hyperreal.org> >Subject: Re: [idm] Best wishes to all in NYC >Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 09:42:08 -0400 > >totally fucking crazy. I'm in NYC as well, right near you at 6th ave. and >10th st., was stupid enough to go to work downtown and lucky enough to get >away ok... got some photos at http://www.squiddity.com/catastrophe. >unbelievable... feel free and reply to this or email me at >squiddity@hotmail.com, I'm in the currently in the village. > >-alan > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Reading, John" <jreading@proxicom.com> >To: <idm@hyperreal.org> >Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 2:22 AM >Subject: FW: [idm] Best wishes to all in NYC > > > > It's not up yet. I'm stunned. I took photos and watched the > > entire incident from 6th ave and 9th stret in the village. I talked to > > everybody. The city is in a dulled stupor. I feel as if a piece of my > > soul has been ripped out and destroyed. > > My office is downtown next to the exchange. THANK GOD i was > > going in late, which is not a usual thing. Many of my friends and > > co-workers were in the plumes running like on the networks. > > st. Vinect's was going nuts. > > i can;t sleep tonight for sure. > > I'd like to get together with other NY listee's. It;s just > > unreal and NY will never be the same. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: kiya "i am a copier" babzani > > Sent: Tue 9/11/2001 5:30 PM > > To: Reading, John > > Cc: > > Subject: Re: [idm] Best wishes to all in NYC > > > > > > > > what's your pages' url? > > thanks.. > > > > -kiya > > i am a copier. > > we are not > > all copiers. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Reading, John <jreading@proxicom.com> > > To: The soul that creates <themourn@yahoo.com>; > > <idm@hyperreal.org> > > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 2:20 PM > > Subject: RE: [idm] Best wishes to all in NYC > > > > > > > it's been a very stressful dy. > > > i'll be posting photos to my webpage along with my > > story. unreal. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: The soul that creates > > > Sent: Tue 9/11/2001 1:17 PM > > > To: idm@hyperreal.org > > > Cc: > > > Subject: [idm] Best wishes to all in NYC > > > > > > > > > > > > First I wish the best to all of you in NYC, I hope you > > > and your families are and remain ok.... > > > > > > second...a big shut the fuck up to the people or > > > person talking about this very serious matter as if we > > > should disregard it as no different than the stuff > > > that goes on else-where in the world....were talking > > > about 10,000-50,000+ lives lost in a matter of a few > > > hours....this is major, and its our homeland, our > > > friends, brothers, mothers, fathers, etc....this is > > > not a matter to try and shed light on, and more-over > > > it is not a matter to segregate ourselves in anger > > > over. > > > It is time to collect, time to mourn, and time to look > > > forward. > > > > > > Again, I wish all of you in NYC the best of wishes and > > > hope that some of you more insensitive to the > > > situation can either show some compassion or be quiet. > > > > > > xavior havok (cofanx) > > > > > > ===== > > > Kounterakt in constant > > evolution.http://www.kounterakt.cjb.net > > > ("Industrial",Rock, Experimental, I.D.M.)Circle Of > > > Anxietyhttp://www.cofanx.cjb.net (should appeal to > > fans of all sorts > > > of I.D.M.) > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging > > with > > > Yahoo! Messenger > > > http://im.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > -------- > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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