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they were practically responsible for getting me into this whole electronic music mess. Lesee..."The Downward Spiral" is still ace. Fav's include "The becoming" "Eraser" and "A Warm Place" Ebola np: Haujobb

quoted 19 lines From: michael goodfellow <darkminds_bbs@yahoo.com>

>From: michael goodfellow <darkminds_bbs@yahoo.com> >Reply-To: dreadedpersonities@proxemics.net >To: idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: [idm] NIN? >Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 16:40:20 -0700 (PDT) > >hey, are there any nine inch nails die hards out >there? with opinions on favourite tracks, it's >timelessness, etc? > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger >http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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Trent Reznor is an artist par excellence on so many levels. Lyrically, musically, and artistically, he is a rare combination that I've rarely encountered in life. Fuck all those Goth teens that paint their nails black and create a laughably embarassing "scene" around his music and give people the wrong idea. *Any* output by Reznor, old and new, is a very serious example of music at its best. I can't even tell you how many periods of my life are defined by his music. And, like Ebola 3, NIN primed me all the way back in 6th grade for all the electronics I listen to now. "Downward Spiral" is timeless and so is "Pretty Hate Machine" even though the gear sounds late 80's. John __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

At 07:54 PM 8/9/2001 -0700, you wrote:

quoted 13 lines Trent Reznor is an artist par excellence on so many

> Trent Reznor is an artist par excellence on so many >levels. Lyrically, musically, and artistically, he is >a rare combination that I've rarely encountered in >life. Fuck all those Goth teens that paint their nails >black and create a laughably embarassing "scene" >around his music and give people the wrong idea. *Any* >output by Reznor, old and new, is a very serious >example of music at its best. I can't even tell you >how many periods of my life are defined by his music. >And, like Ebola 3, NIN primed me all the way back in >6th grade for all the electronics I listen to now. >"Downward Spiral" is timeless and so is "Pretty Hate >Machine" even though the gear sounds late 80's.

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but the 80s sound is the best bit! I was one of those pathetic Goth teens many moons ago in a galaxy far far away... and the downward spiral, esp the remix album (further down the spiral?) was what got me into coil, aphex, and all that.... and out of being a Goth curiously enough... sad ass fuckers. especially in an Australian summer... :-) dhave

quoted 14 lines Trent Reznor is an artist par excellence on so many

> Trent Reznor is an artist par excellence on so many >levels. Lyrically, musically, and artistically, he is >a rare combination that I've rarely encountered in >life. Fuck all those Goth teens that paint their nails >black and create a laughably embarassing "scene" >around his music and give people the wrong idea. *Any* >output by Reznor, old and new, is a very serious >example of music at its best. I can't even tell you >how many periods of my life are defined by his music. >And, like Ebola 3, NIN primed me all the way back in >6th grade for all the electronics I listen to now. >"Downward Spiral" is timeless and so is "Pretty Hate >Machine" even though the gear sounds late 80's. > John

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On 10 Aug 2001, at 13:10, dhave config wrote:

quoted 2 lines the downward spiral, esp the remix album (further down the

> the downward spiral, esp the remix album (further down the > spiral?) was what got me into coil, aphex, and all that....

Yes - similarly so for me. I'm not a huge NiN fan, but when it comes to weeding out dead wood from my music collection, I certainly wouldn't get rid of my NiN stuff - esp. Pretty Hate Machine. Do I listen to it ever? No. But I like to know it's there. I * --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

I would say that in an age (80's-now) where musical revolution very rarely takes place in the mind of an artist, but in the minds of several corporate "musicians" looking for the next pot of gold....Trent Reznor is a true artist and a major force in opening the minds of people to the sounds of electronic music. Trent Reznor has and continues to open more and more people to the scene, and is doing great things with his label to promote both electronic music and artistic freedom to artists. What NIN album is timeless?? All of them, Nine Inch Nails is a timeless "band" Trent Reznor is a timeless artist. I imagine that years from now you'll see him and NIN in the hall of fame, and you'll see NIN viewed as a playing a major role in what music will be like in maybe 10-20 years. Looking back from now, we see bands like Pink Floyd, The Doors, Cabaret Voltaire, Skinny Puppy etc....of coarse this small list doesn't appeal to the general public, Puppy was an influence to NIN and bands like Manson, Cabaret was influence to bands like Puppy. Im basically rambling now....but I would have to say to sum it up that Trent Reznor has played and is playing a major role in exploring new and artistic venues of music, and is doing a great job at bringing new ears to electronic music.... A true artist hardly concerned with releasing an album for the purpose of seeing how high it can get on the charts and how long it will stay. I would say that The Fragile was a great piece, as far as artisticness goes. xh ===== Kounterakt in constant evolution.http://www.kounterakt.cjb.net ("Industrial",Rock, Experimental, I.D.M., DnB hybrid craziness)Circle Of Anxietyhttp://www.cofanx.cjb.net(should appeal to fans of all sorts of I.D.M.) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 7 lines What NIN album is timeless??

> What NIN album is timeless?? > All of them, Nine Inch Nails is a timeless "band" > Trent Reznor is a timeless artist. > I imagine that years from now you'll see him and NIN > in the hall of fame, and you'll see NIN viewed as a > playing a major role in what music will be like in > maybe 10-20 years.

I have to chime in here. I used to be a pretty big NIN fan 10 years ago, but listening to most of his stuff now, "timeless" is not the word that comes to mind. Pretty Hate Machine was retro sounding by the time Downward Spiral came out. Downward Spiral's music is great, but the lyrics and angstful singing is retro now (at least in electronic music. The term "timeless" in reference to art has always meant, to me, that time doesn't age a particular work of art because it wasn't trendy or easy to replicate to begin with. Trent made some great music, but he used it as a tool to make his terrible tone deaf singing and utterly shitty lyrics seem legitimate and deep. That's just my opinion of course, and I still do break out the old NIN cd when I'm in the mood for a little retro trip back to my late teens/early 20s. I suppose some of the stuff on his remix E.P.s could be considered timeless in the way you guys are using the term. ===== check out my station on Live365 - over 8 hours worth of early 90's chill-out, IDM, dub and more at: http://www.live365.com/stations/278479 check out my homepage at: http://www.skack.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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quoted 8 lines What NIN album is timeless??

> > > What NIN album is timeless?? > > All of them, Nine Inch Nails is a timeless "band" > > Trent Reznor is a timeless artist. > > I imagine that years from now you'll see him and NIN > > in the hall of fame, and you'll see NIN viewed as a > > playing a major role in what music will be like in > > maybe 10-20 years.

Skinny Puppy are timeless, Einsturzend Neubauten are timeless, Ministry are timeless (well, maybe only until "Psalm 69..."), but NIN... I really don't find them timeless at all. What new contribution did they give to the industrial genre? Compared to what was being done in the late 80's, none. But the late 80's industrial bands did evolve the music that was made in the 70's. I think that since the album "Last Rights" by Skinny Puppy in 92, nothing really new happened. But there was an album that caught my attention, "Spears Into Hooks" by Meira Asher (1999). This one also makes NIN look like a very sweet pop band... ~lmarta. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

at 17.08.2001 19:33 Uhr, Irene McC wrote:

quoted 2 lines I have a comp. from the Rencontres Transmusicales de Rennes

> I have a comp. from the Rencontres Transmusicales de Rennes > music festival from '96

is there any comp of that festival from 2000? i'm interested in any atom or señor coconut track. enjoy, but safely =: samuel

quoted 2 lines http://sjever.com

> http://sjever.com > http://atom-heart.com

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quoted 1 line "Spears Into Hooks" by Meira Asher (1999).

> "Spears Into Hooks" by Meira Asher (1999).

"Whoa! First time I see her name appear on IDM and I'm glad of it. I have a comp. from the Rencontres Transmusicales de Rennes music festival from '96 and there's a great crazy track by her on there* - first and only time I've ever come across her name. So? Fill us in: who is she, where's she from, what's the story?" Maybe I can say something... She's from Israel. I have two albums from Meira Asher. The first is from 1997 (Crammed Discs, cram 094), is called "dissected" and it's from 1997. It has the following songs: 1- SIDA (AIDS) (the one that is in your compilation, just a fait-divers, in Portugal we also say SIDA) 2- Fair and Ruddy 3- Give Peace 4- Psalm 19 5- Dissect me 6- Maligora, the sand child 7- Daddy Came 8- Taht A' Shams This album is very folky and still easy to listen. However my fave is her second album called "Spears into hooks" (Crammed Discs, cram 095). The songs are: 1- Shahid 1 2- Shahid 2 3- Dissect me again 4- The flood 5- Weekend away break 6- Tiring night 7- Me last granny 8- Vio Smear 9- E' un Uomo The songs in "Spears into Hooks" are industrial, noisy and very hard to listen (quite violent). They are very different from the song you heard in your compilation, so be carefull. Anyway I think "Spears into Hooks" stands out as the best industrial album of the last 6 - 7 years... It has a strong political message, with a comparison of the political situation in Palestine with the Holocaust... "Dissected" has also a strong message about AIDS, but in "Spears into Hooks" you have to be very calm in order not to get nervous with sounds that come out of the speakers. But it's a perfect record to listen while watching the news on CNN. I never saw a Meira Asher live show. Many people say that it is an extreme experience... I am sure Luis Marta will say something about that, because he saw a live performance from Meira Asher some months ago... ;) Now with artists like Meira Asher, who gives a dam about Nine Inch Nails??? Nine Inch Nails is friendly industrial music for MTV, nothing more... Cheers César --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 6 lines So? Fill us in: who is she, where's she from, what's the story?"

> So? Fill us in: who is she, where's she from, what's the story?" > > > Maybe I can say something... She's from Israel. I have two albums from > Meira Asher. The first is from 1997 (Crammed Discs, cram 094), is called > "dissected" and it's from 1997.

long time ago i've found her web site, and it's still there: http://www.xs4all.nl/~meira/ so i guess you can pick up some info now:) i'm not sure but i have a feeling that not many israeli people are familiar with her music, or maybe i'm wrong... i think she lives in Belgium or Holland now... also check out the credits for the first album!!! 2nd GEN!!! -sasha --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org