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At 02:25 PM 8/11/2001 -0700, you wrote:

quoted 12 lines Why is it that all IDM djs seem to have no character, so boring. And they

>Why is it that all IDM djs seem to have no character, so boring. And they >might as well mix without headphones because the fashion in which they mix >doesnt make sense anyways. I just don't see why a dj spinning >"intelligent dance music" can't be intelligent about what he or she >mixing. Come on, put some effort and creativity to your mixes!! I've >heard a lot of mixes off of warp and at shows and they're all just so >disappointing. I mean yeah they spin great tracks, but whats the point >of mixing it when you can just load up a playlist in Winamp?? Mira Calix >is a perfect example. Why do all these dj's get a cut on warp and all >these labels if they just don't show any craftsmanship in their *ahem* >art. I'm not trying to rag on them, but more as a harsh constructive >criticism.

I don't know if this is just a clever marketing proposal disguised as a music critique, but I'll bite. I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that a lot of "IDM" isn't very mixable. Add that to the idea that some people are enamored with the music just by itself, and I could totally see how someone would think "i'll just drop this killer track, and everyone will love it." Granted, it's nice to hear some good music, but then I don't really think the DJ should get much credit. They're still DJ's, as much as the people on the radio are DJ's, though. As far as "warp dj's" go, I don't really see the point in doing live mixes and restricting yourself to one *label*. The blech2 compilation is pretty good, with a few slow spots, but for live shows? In my opinion, a "Good DJ" will play what is necessary to fit the mood or style, at any point in the mix. Kid Koala is a great example. Rob Hall is not. Haswell is.. uhh.. in the middle somewhere. ------- eggytoast.com ------- coming to a cineplex near you --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

"beatmatching is for sukkas who think they are DJs." - horencio jones. -j Will Pereira wrote:

quoted 1 line Why is it that all IDM djs seem to have no character, so boring. And they might as well mi

> Why is it that all IDM djs seem to have no character, so boring. And they might as well mix without headphones because the fashion in which they mix doesnt make sense anyways. I just don't see why a dj spinning "intelligent dance music" can't be intelligent about what he or she mixing. Come on, put some effort and creativity to your mixes!! I've heard a lot of mixes off of warp and at shows and they're all just so disappointing. I mean yeah they spin great tracks, but whats the point of mixing it when you can just load up a playlist in Winamp?? Mira Calix is a perfect example. Why do all these dj's get a cut on warp and all these labels if they just don't show any craftsmanship in their *ahem* art. I'm not trying to rag on them, but more as a harsh constructive criticism. If anyone wants to check out what a real mix cd is supposed to be contact me at djhexx213@hotmail.com I'll be more than happy to supply you with a mix cd via US mail or email or whatever. I'

ll pay for shipping, I don't mind. Peace all...

quoted 4 lines mr hExx aka Will Pereira

> > mr hExx aka Will Pereira > >

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another thing is that as IDM trainspotting, label whoring, record collecting, minutia memorizing enthusiasts, we usually feel it's important to present the music in an unobstructed-as-possible form. It's less of the DJ saying "HAY look at me I'M THA DJ" but more of "here's some great music that i'm presenting to you in a rational order" Besides, in lots of similarly styled IDM, the BPMs range greatly, and to pitch something up or down 20% would seriously fuck with hearing the track in a nearly original form. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

think you should check coldcut's solid steel which has been perfecting the art of mixing for over 12 years although the mixes are admittedly done using turntables & computers & samples, and isnt always idm music, the art of the show comes down to creating new tracks with two to three previously recorded elements with some odd sound bites... the show is every monday night uk time midnite to 2am http://www.bbc.co.uk/londonlive and the full two hour sets without talking are archived at http://www.ammocity.com this week coldcut even feature a mix that was sent in by a member of the ninjatune.net forum, so anythings possible as long as its unpredictable. http://www.ninjatune.net/solidsteel --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Yeah I can see what you are saying. What you said about he DJ getting much credit... I think that has to do with how much work a DJ puts into a set, how cleverly one can implement the tracks and if of course if the DJ is doing his own form of instrumentation (scratching, live pa of their own tracks..etc). I respect the DJ's who are throwing down the good tracks and saying "here's some great music that i'm presenting to you in a rational order" But a lot of times the orders arent rational and they mix together two songs that could have been easily beatmatched to preserve continuity. Especially if you are a warp dj. I was on groovetech and saw a live video stream of a warp dj and I expected somewhat clever set and it wasnt. I just feel, if the song can be beatmatched why not? Be as involved in the mix as you can. Anyways, I will compile a list of anyone that wants to check out my mix. I have one, and I am currently working on my second. The first is a blend of abstract electro, new school breaks, then going into more of a trip hop\downtempo thing. The next one will be a midtempo breaks blend of more abstract electro, nuskool breaks and IDMish material. I have an FTP site available to those with a fast connection. Email me for details. Also check out this band I scratch with live. www.mp3.com/~triage . They are a group of musicians working with multimple digital \analog pieces, guitar, bass, digeridoo, turntables etc. Many of the shows we play are highly improvised...live record shows will be avail soon. Keep and eye out for them! We are all based out of Orlando FL. Much love to the DJs and the fantastic artists they promote. hExx ----- Original Message ----- From: "EggyToast" <youn0394@umn.edu> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2001 3:12 PM Subject: Re: [idm] IDM DJs

quoted 2 lines At 02:25 PM 8/11/2001 -0700, you wrote:

> At 02:25 PM 8/11/2001 -0700, you wrote: > >Why is it that all IDM djs seem to have no character, so boring. And

they

quoted 1 line might as well mix without headphones because the fashion in which they

> >might as well mix without headphones because the fashion in which they

mix

quoted 17 lines doesnt make sense anyways. I just don't see why a dj spinning

> >doesnt make sense anyways. I just don't see why a dj spinning > >"intelligent dance music" can't be intelligent about what he or she > >mixing. Come on, put some effort and creativity to your mixes!! I've > >heard a lot of mixes off of warp and at shows and they're all just so > >disappointing. I mean yeah they spin great tracks, but whats the point > >of mixing it when you can just load up a playlist in Winamp?? Mira Calix > >is a perfect example. Why do all these dj's get a cut on warp and all > >these labels if they just don't show any craftsmanship in their *ahem* > >art. I'm not trying to rag on them, but more as a harsh constructive > >criticism. > > > I don't know if this is just a clever marketing proposal disguised as a > music critique, but I'll bite. > > I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that a lot of "IDM" isn't very > mixable. Add that to the idea that some people are enamored with the

music

quoted 12 lines just by itself, and I could totally see how someone would think "i'll just

> just by itself, and I could totally see how someone would think "i'll just > drop this killer track, and everyone will love it." Granted, it's nice to > hear some good music, but then I don't really think the DJ should get much > credit. They're still DJ's, as much as the people on the radio are DJ's, > though. > > As far as "warp dj's" go, I don't really see the point in doing live mixes > and restricting yourself to one *label*. The blech2 compilation is pretty > good, with a few slow spots, but for live shows? > > In my opinion, a "Good DJ" will play what is necessary to fit the mood or > style, at any point in the mix. Kid Koala is a great example. Rob Hall

is

quoted 12 lines not. Haswell is.. uhh.. in the middle somewhere.

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I agree with you 100% But I still maintain that appearent speed and actual speeds of tracks in IDM vary greatly and statistically speaking you are less likely to find two tracks that have the same feel and are of similar speeds (within say 6%) than in most other forms of dance music. B/c of this if an IDM DJ can beatmatch lets say 50% of his or her set, I think that's a pretty good success rate. I don't know abou tthe set that you're referring to and maybe the DJ didn't match any of the tracks, which is pretty lousy. So for now I'm only speculating. -Gil my current fav. beatmatched IDMish mix is the the new Rhythm and Sound 10" (dub) into the A1 track on Miss DInky's valsparo EP (on traum) On Sat, 11 Aug 2001, Will Pereira wrote:

quoted 3 lines But a lot of times the orders arent rational and they mix together

> But a lot of times the orders arent rational and they mix together > two songs that could have been easily beatmatched to preserve continuity. > Especially if you are a warp dj.

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On Sun, 12 Aug 2001, Gil wrote:

quoted 9 lines I agree with you 100% But I still maintain that appearent speed and actual

> > I agree with you 100% But I still maintain that appearent speed and actual > speeds of tracks in IDM vary greatly and statistically speaking you are > less likely to find two tracks that have the same feel and are of similar > speeds (within say 6%) than in most other forms of dance music. > > B/c of this if an IDM DJ can beatmatch lets say 50% of his or her set, I > think that's a pretty good success rate. >

That's been about my maximum. But I don't know why more DJs in general don't simply play songs out, and start another one, if they're trying to change gears. I don't think people mind that near as much as they mind a trainwreck. And with IDM DJing you can always play something beatless as a bridge between two tracks at different tempos. It's important to remember that there's not just one way to DJ. I admire and enjoy super-tight dance DJs, but I can't help but think that's NOT what IDM is about or should be about. The thing I always think about the best DJs I've seen is that they're communicating and connecting with the audience, in the same way that any good performer would. That should be the goal. This means that when you DJ you may not play the same tracks you would at home for your own enjoyment. You're in essence driving the experience for an audience, and you have to bring some coherence to what you're playing. Try and avoid those left turns off cliffs, because that's when people stop listening. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Thats why when spinning IDM of different bpm's one should seperate their set into different bmp subsets or clevery mix it ambiently without clashing synths, or even beat matching then speading up the song or slowing it down back to its original speed. It can be done. =) One must focus on stringing together a mix seamlessly and make it into a routine so that it sounds good. Don't be lazy. =) hExx ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gil" <gyaker@fragment.com> To: "IDM list" <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2001 4:48 PM Subject: Re: [idm] IDM DJs

quoted 18 lines another thing is that as IDM trainspotting, label whoring, record

> > another thing is that as IDM trainspotting, label whoring, record > collecting, minutia memorizing enthusiasts, we usually feel it's important > to present the music in an unobstructed-as-possible form. It's less of the > DJ saying "HAY look at me I'M THA DJ" but more of "here's some great music > that i'm presenting to you in a rational order" > > Besides, in lots of similarly styled IDM, the BPMs range greatly, and to > pitch something up or down 20% would seriously fuck with hearing the track > in a nearly original form. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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hey there ... I have a bunch of oldskool tunes - gabber/hardcore/acid/breakbeat/idm @ http://www.envy.nu/hardsounds/ I want to get rid of... make an offer.. and if you want to hear mp3s samples of music that is not there please email me!! regards! --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Here is an example of a great idm dj. http://www.booyaka.com/~phase/triton.html 47:31 m:s mix @ 57megs in mp3 format @ 160bitrate Anyways, DJ Phase is this cat out of Kansas City, been spinning/ mixing idm and ambient for a number of years. Dan --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

im a idm/elm dj, also a hard techno & noize dj, and when i do a set, i tend to mix all tracks. i never put one song after the other. the important thing in a dj set, is that the transitions are smooth and seemless. my mixes arent perfect. on my radio show, i do 2 types of djing. 1 is typical radio djing with cds & commentaries on tracks and albums. the tracks arent mixed at all. on the other hand, when i do a dj set, i get on the turntables exclusively and mix non stop for 45-90 minutes without interruptions. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .horripilations.e.zine . . . . .www.horripilations.org . . . . range . . . .info@horripilations.org . . . . .mailing.list . . . . .horripilations@yahoogroups.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Even songs that vary greatly in bpm can mix beat matched..It has to be done very carefully and you must slickly bring it back to its normal speed. This can't be done with all songs, you have to me very analytical to pull it off... This can be done with vestax PDX 2000's which have +-50 pitch control. I can show you a demo when Im done with this next mix....peace hExx ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gil" <gyaker@fragment.com> To: "IDM list" <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2001 8:09 AM Subject: Re: [idm] IDM DJs

quoted 22 lines I agree with you 100% But I still maintain that appearent speed and actual

> > I agree with you 100% But I still maintain that appearent speed and actual > speeds of tracks in IDM vary greatly and statistically speaking you are > less likely to find two tracks that have the same feel and are of similar > speeds (within say 6%) than in most other forms of dance music. > > B/c of this if an IDM DJ can beatmatch lets say 50% of his or her set, I > think that's a pretty good success rate. > > I don't know abou tthe set that you're referring to and maybe the DJ > didn't match any of the tracks, which is pretty lousy. So for now I'm only > speculating. > > -Gil > > my current fav. beatmatched IDMish mix is the the new Rhythm and Sound 10" > (dub) into the A1 track on Miss DInky's valsparo EP (on traum) > > On Sat, 11 Aug 2001, Will Pereira wrote: > > > But a lot of times the orders arent rational and they mix together > > two songs that could have been easily beatmatched to preserve

continuity.

quoted 10 lines Especially if you are a warp dj.

> > Especially if you are a warp dj. > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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Yup. It's called "skill," which separates Disk Jockeys from Disk Lackeys :D whee!! and besides, wasn't there a big thing about how the standard idm track is between 80 and 100bpm anyways? and if you're playing tracks that have a great variety of tempo, you're not playing a good set. At 04:23 PM 8/13/2001 -0700, you wrote:

quoted 18 lines Even songs that vary greatly in bpm can mix beat matched..It has to be done

>Even songs that vary greatly in bpm can mix beat matched..It has to be done >very carefully and you must slickly bring it back to its normal speed. This >can't be done with all songs, you have to me very analytical to pull it >off... This can be done with vestax PDX 2000's which have +-50 pitch >control. I can show you a demo when Im done with this next mix....peace >hExx >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Gil" <gyaker@fragment.com> >To: "IDM list" <idm@hyperreal.org> >Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2001 8:09 AM >Subject: Re: [idm] IDM DJs > > > > > > I agree with you 100% But I still maintain that appearent speed and actual > > speeds of tracks in IDM vary greatly and statistically speaking you are > > less likely to find two tracks that have the same feel and are of similar > > speeds (within say 6%) than in most other forms of dance music.

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That depends on the kind of crowd you have going. If you are aiming at pleasing a dance crowd (and yes some IDM is very danceable) you'd prolly want to stick to 110 and up bpms. But if you are spinnign for more of an eclectic crowd, changing BPM's can work, as long as you are clever about it. hExx

quoted 1 line and if you're playing tracks that have a great variety of tempo, you're

> and if you're playing tracks that have a great variety of tempo, you're

not

quoted 1 line playing a good set.

> playing a good set.

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At 10:05 PM 8/13/2001 -0700, you wrote:

quoted 4 lines That depends on the kind of crowd you have going. If you are aiming at

>That depends on the kind of crowd you have going. If you are aiming at >pleasing a dance crowd (and yes some IDM is very danceable) you'd prolly >want to stick to 110 and up bpms. But if you are spinnign for more of an >eclectic crowd, changing BPM's can work, as long as you are clever about it.

I'm just coming from the idea that if you're doing a show, consistency is key. If everyone is sitting down, sure, play whatever, especially if you're actually performing, doing some interaction, pausing between tracks. But when the only option for the people attending is to either dance, or crane their necks watching the dj play their favorite tunes, i'd rather dance, or at least move a little. Not so easy to do when the dj keeps changing things up every 3 minutes. cheers, derek ------- eggytoast.com ------- coming to a cineplex near you --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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Hmmm, http://www.recordcamp.com Yeah! ------Original Message----- -From: Jacob Arnold [mailto:jacob@gridface.com] -Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 4:24 PM -To: idm@hyperreal.org -Subject: Re: [idm] Onlien reviews - - -Also Gridface: -http://www.gridface.com/ - -Although most of the reviews are mine, I'd happily accept submissions. - -J - - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org -For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org - --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

One thing I that I often dislike at IDM shows, the djs. Too often they play strictly only style of idm the dsp crunchy stuff. That stuff is fine but after the fifth song of that style, you lose interest. Most of us like a variety of electronic music like electro, techno, and and you can easily list many subgenres. So why does everything have to be so samey? Is because of the djs often don't know how to mix? Or are they too cheap to buy more than one style of music? Hearing a variety is much cooler!! --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos, & more faith.yahoo.com

I"ve never heard of this problem before. ----- Original Message ----- From: "B Peru" <mybadelf@yahoo.com> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 5:01 PM Subject: [idm] Idm djs

quoted 2 lines One thing I that I often dislike at IDM shows, the djs. Too often they

> > One thing I that I often dislike at IDM shows, the djs. Too often they

play strictly only style of idm the dsp crunchy stuff. That stuff is fine but after the fifth song of that style, you lose interest.

quoted 1 line Most of us like a variety of electronic music like electro, techno, and

> Most of us like a variety of electronic music like electro, techno, and

and you can easily list many subgenres. So why does everything have to be so samey? Is because of the djs often don't know how to mix? Or are they too cheap to buy more than one style of music? Hearing a variety is much cooler!!

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I've said once and I'll say it again: Don't go dissing idm djs for not having the money to buy new records. Some of us are lucky to have jobs still but some aren't and we sure as hell aren't making any money spinning at idm "parties" because idmers don't ever go out and when the do they come back here and complain!! Thank god for people like Howard Shih and John Reading for coming out to stuff and having a good time, if it weren't for people like that I don't think I'd even bother. Now, with that aside, yes I too get bored by an all idm set but you hear that so infrequently that when you do its very pleasant, there! I just contradicted myself :-) Adesh http://www.recordcamp.com ------Original Message----- -From: cutups [mailto:cutup@andythepooh.com] -Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 5:09 PM -To: B Peru; idm@hyperreal.org -Subject: Re: [idm] Idm djs - - -I"ve never heard of this problem before. - ------ Original Message ----- -From: "B Peru" <mybadelf@yahoo.com> -To: <idm@hyperreal.org> -Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 5:01 PM -Subject: [idm] Idm djs - - -> -> One thing I that I often dislike at IDM shows, the djs. Too often -> they -play strictly only style of idm the dsp crunchy stuff. That -stuff is fine but after the fifth song of that style, you lose -interest. -> Most of us like a variety of electronic music like electro, techno, -> and -and you can easily list many subgenres. So why does everything -have to be so samey? Is because of the djs often don't know -how to mix? Or are they too cheap to buy more than one style -of music? Hearing a variety is much cooler!! -> -> -> -> -> --------------------------------- -> Do you Yahoo!? -> Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos, & more faith.yahoo.com - - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org -For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org - --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

::>I've said once and I'll say it again: ::>Don't go dissing idm djs for not having the money to buy new ::>records. Or any dj's for that matter. Try spinning much of anything besides hiphop or progressive in l.a. and leaving with cash. Even worse, try throwing an event and making money! Hahaha Buy your own ass some records and start making waves the way you think it should be done. A. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Right. I guess my comment is - wow you hear djs playing "idm" at all? I have tons of records to spin, but theres never "idm" nights here that have djs. The only nights that happen are all live acts. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Record Camp" <lists@activaire.com> To: "'cutups'" <cutup@andythepooh.com> Cc: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 5:21 PM Subject: RE: [idm] Idm djs

quoted 64 lines I've said once and I'll say it again:

> I've said once and I'll say it again: > Don't go dissing idm djs for not having the money to buy new records. > Some of us are lucky to have jobs still but some aren't and we sure as > hell aren't making any money spinning at idm "parties" because idmers > don't ever go out and when the do they come back here and complain!! > Thank god for people like Howard Shih and John Reading for coming out to > stuff and having a good time, if it weren't for people like that I don't > think I'd even bother. > > Now, with that aside, yes I too get bored by an all idm set but you hear > that so infrequently that when you do its very pleasant, there! I just > contradicted myself :-) > > Adesh > http://www.recordcamp.com > > ------Original Message----- > -From: cutups [mailto:cutup@andythepooh.com] > -Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 5:09 PM > -To: B Peru; idm@hyperreal.org > -Subject: Re: [idm] Idm djs > - > - > -I"ve never heard of this problem before. > - > ------ Original Message ----- > -From: "B Peru" <mybadelf@yahoo.com> > -To: <idm@hyperreal.org> > -Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 5:01 PM > -Subject: [idm] Idm djs > - > - > -> > -> One thing I that I often dislike at IDM shows, the djs. Too often > -> they > -play strictly only style of idm the dsp crunchy stuff. That > -stuff is fine but after the fifth song of that style, you lose > -interest. > -> Most of us like a variety of electronic music like electro, techno, > -> and > -and you can easily list many subgenres. So why does everything > -have to be so samey? Is because of the djs often don't know > -how to mix? Or are they too cheap to buy more than one style > -of music? Hearing a variety is much cooler!! > -> > -> > -> > -> > -> --------------------------------- > -> Do you Yahoo!? > -> Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos, & more faith.yahoo.com > - > - > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > -For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > - > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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Well you certainly aren't missing anything. I usually hope when I go out that I will hear djs playing a good variety and cool tunes that I'm not familiar with, but far too often it's the same old cliche dsp stuff. You seem impressed that people are spinning idm out, well don't...it's usually no better than sitting at home and listening to records (or mp3s). Most of the djs don't have a good sense a flow and their sets don't vary a great deal in bpm/style, etc. cutups <cutup@andythepooh.com> wrote: Right. I guess my comment is - wow you hear djs playing "idm" at all? I have tons of records to spin, but theres never "idm" nights here that have djs. The only nights that happen are all live acts. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Record Camp" To: "'cutups'" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 5:21 PM Subject: RE: [idm] Idm djs

quoted 44 lines I've said once and I'll say it again:

> I've said once and I'll say it again: > Don't go dissing idm djs for not having the money to buy new records. > Some of us are lucky to have jobs still but some aren't and we sure as > hell aren't making any money spinning at idm "parties" because idmers > don't ever go out and when the do they come back here and complain!! > Thank god for people like Howard Shih and John Reading for coming out to > stuff and having a good time, if it weren't for people like that I don't > think I'd even bother. > > Now, with that aside, yes I too get bored by an all idm set but you hear > that so infrequently that when you do its very pleasant, there! I just > contradicted myself :-) > > Adesh > http://www.recordcamp.com > > ------Original Message----- > -From: cutups [mailto:cutup@andythepooh.com] > -Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 5:09 PM > -To: B Peru; idm@hyperreal.org > -Subject: Re: [idm] Idm djs > - > - > -I"ve never heard of this problem before. > - > ------ Original Message ----- > -From: "B Peru" > -To: > -Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 5:01 PM > -Subject: [idm] Idm djs > - > - > -> > -> One thing I that I often dislike at IDM shows, the djs. Too often > -> they > -play strictly only style of idm the dsp crunchy stuff. That > -stuff is fine but after the fifth song of that style, you lose > -interest. > -> Most of us like a variety of electronic music like electro, techno, > -> and > -and you can easily list many subgenres. So why does everything > -have to be so samey? Is because of the djs often don't know > -how to mix? Or are they too cheap to buy more than one style > -of music? Hearing a variety is much cooler!!

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I've heard many. Most of the time I wouldn't even bother finding out who was spinning unless I really liked the material they were playing. The most obvious example I can think of was the last Schematic tour, which was a little while ago. The local djs played a ton of dsp idm before Otto Von Schirach, Phoenicia and Richard Devine got on. Most everyone I knew was totally sick of hearing just dsp idm after the second hour, even though that is what we all expected. It would have been nice if the djs varied the music a bit. Luckily Richard Devine's was distinctive enough that it broke away from the mold, and his set rocked. Perhaps we felt this way because we got there too early. It's often a good rule to skip the locals and get there late for the main acts. While I know this example isn't the best once, it's first one that popped up in mind and gave me the shivers. I just hear alot of the same type of stuff when I go out. I know part of it is my fault for having bought alot of the same records. If I didn't already own alot of this stuff than it might sound a little fresher to me. I still think it would be more enjoyable if the djs played more variety. Bust out an occassional wacked out tune, an occasional electro tune or even some interesting jungle/hard techno tune. Make it a little crazy instead of just the same style. Have fun with it cutups <cutup@andythepooh.com> wrote: What DJs do you hear? I don't know if i'd be impressed by djs you mention, but to some degree i'm impressed that there are enough nights with "idm" djs that you'd be able to be bored with it. I'm sure that if there were djs here who played idm, i'd be bored with it if there was no style to it all... I'm probably the only local that i know who would be spinning the stuff, which i guess is indicative of our scene or lackthereof. I don't really have idm djs at the events i put on though. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos, & more faith.yahoo.com

Mira Calix does a fine job of demonstrating the logical paths between electro and IDM, imo. At 05:35 PM 10/15/2002, B Peru wrote:

quoted 2 lines I've heard many. Most of the time I wouldn't even bother finding out who

>I've heard many. Most of the time I wouldn't even bother finding out who >was spinning unless I really liked the material they were playing...

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Hey, the best straight up idm dj i've heard has to be Destro, he played for the Zod tour...in Philly I went up to him after and told him such - he even 'beat matched' , etc. I've been spinning since '91 - initially I was deep into hardcore, gabber, ambient, house, and techno trance ala harthouse, bonzai (check some of this labels older output!), i dunno, and I loved all the silly rave-ola like eon "what's in the basket?" "my brother" hahahahahaha ooohhh, and devil beats....my influences were acid house, electro, and ac/dc, new order,...that sort of thing...and then I met my Husband and he was into They Might Be Giants, Elvis Costello and a SLEW of small indy stuff that was, at times, almost unclassifiable to me at the time...we raved, we did a night for awhile, I spun, we did a radio and an internet show for awhile where we played the best of the new music for that week, and new discoveries...and always lots of weird stuff, like reading the 'weird news of the day' (which we actually got in trouble for doing after someone 'allegedly' complained about one of the (True) news stories about a nurse who farted in front of a patient and the visitor...the visitor remarked to the nurse if she had farted, and the nurse said, yes, would you like me to fart again? and then she did. So what does all this odd rambling amount to - a dj that is truly trying thier best to fullfill thier artistic desires will bring all thier influences together for a 'set' that matches the vibe of the event, people, place, time...etc oh, and yeah, i'll be playing some of that glitchy stuff friday at the rotunda in philly...and ambient, and oddities, and technoey dubbed, and stuff that will haunt you...i dunno, it's all still trying to jel, still working on the flow :) Linda ===================== Linda Leigh/L3 www.technotica.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

what city are you in??? if you don't like the dj, try a different show B Peru wrote:

quoted 9 lines One thing I that I often dislike at IDM shows, the djs. Too often they play strictly only

> > One thing I that I often dislike at IDM shows, the djs. Too often they play strictly only style of idm the dsp crunchy stuff. That stuff is fine but after the fifth song of that style, you lose interest. > Most of us like a variety of electronic music like electro, techno, and and you can easily list many subgenres. So why does everything have to be so samey? Is because of the djs often don't know how to mix? Or are they too cheap to buy more than one style of music? Hearing a variety is much cooler!! > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos, & more > faith.yahoo.com

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In a message dated 10/15/2002 8:31:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, electrons@technotica.com writes:

quoted 2 lines the best straight up idm dj i've heard has to be Destro, he played for the

> the best straight up idm dj i've heard has to be Destro, he played for the > Zod tour

I've never heard Destro spin live, but his cd "Destro Mix CD : Zod.02" is a must have. He definitely had some skills when it comes to beat matching. Check out the website for the track listing: <A HREF="http://www.zodrecords.com/">http://www.zodrecords.com/</A> It's sold out according to their website, but a little searching & you should be able to find it. Enjoy, Tom Cyn

Yeah, definitely an excellent mix. Undoubtedly i'd recommend Baseck's mixes too. More crazy turntablism and breakcore, but definitely in the same realm. I've got some copies of mixes from each at wrecked. http://rhinoplex.org/wrecked - cutups ----- Original Message ----- From: <CynMusic@aol.com> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 10:41 PM Subject: Re: [idm] Re: Idm djs

quoted 5 lines In a message dated 10/15/2002 8:31:43 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> In a message dated 10/15/2002 8:31:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, > electrons@technotica.com writes: > > > > the best straight up idm dj i've heard has to be Destro, he played for

the

quoted 3 lines Zod tour

> > Zod tour > > I've never heard Destro spin live, but his cd "Destro Mix CD : Zod.02" is

a

quoted 8 lines must have. He definitely had some skills when it comes to beat matching.

> must have. He definitely had some skills when it comes to beat matching. > > > Check out the website for the track listing: > > <A HREF="http://www.zodrecords.com/">http://www.zodrecords.com/</A> > > It's sold out according to their website, but a little searching & you

should

quoted 6 lines be able to find it.

> be able to find it. > > Enjoy, > Tom > Cyn >

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quoted 2 lines It's often a good rule to skip the locals and get there late for the main

>>It's often a good rule to skip the locals and get there late for the main >>acts.<<

I agree! Why see "locals" when you can come late and see "locals" from some other crappy scene!

quoted 4 lines I still think it would be more enjoyable if the djs played more variety.

>I still think it would be more enjoyable if the djs played more variety. >Bust out an occassional wacked out tune, an occasional electro tune or even >some interesting jungle/hard techno tune. Make it a little crazy instead of >just the same style. Have fun with it<,

I strongly disagree! I LOVE It when a DJ plays only deep house or staticy IDM or R&B Jungle! I love it when every bit of creativity is sucked out of a given genre- makes it easier to dance to when high. DS _________________________________________________________________ Broadband??Dial-up? Get reliable MSN Internet Access. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

I think people are describing problems endemic to DJing, regardless of scene or style. Most DJs are just boring. No confidence to cut it up, no breadth of collection (no one's forcing you go give up record X because you can only afford record Y), and no faith in the audience to get with their flow. People tie themselves to scenes and thus convince themselves that they must limit their sound. I could only get about 5 minutes into some of the sets people have been linking to because I can only take so much of "scratchy beat with a vague ambient melody" records. As much as it's the crutch of laptop composers, so go the DJs. -eric --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

i really like the colony productions show on groovetech. i listened to nothing but the darker side of breakbeat ie[koma & bones; tipper] until i discovered mike wallis's mixshows.. now i don't listen to breaks much.. can't get enough of idm, and didn't realized there was such a world of it. i just hate that i didn't catch on sooner.. doesn't anyone ever listen to them? if not, you all should check it out. hopefully you all can help me figuer out the names of the tracks they play. here's a link to there archives http://www.groovetech.com/PhoenixData/GT/srvlt/GTController?ToMonth=&ToYear=&Keyword=mike+wallis&action=BroadcastSearch&Artist=&FromDate=&RowCount=10&page=broadcast_archive.jsp&FromMonth=&GenreID=&ToDate=&XMLType=Broadcast+Event+Text+List+HTML&ChannelID=&FromYear=&SubGenreID=&setWarehouseID=1 _________________________________________________________________ Choose an Internet access plan right for you -- try MSN! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

here's some counterpoint to the fine electro style mix posted earlier... tracklist: 1 intro 2. pluramon - formant 3. kim hiorthøy - forskjellige gode ting 4. clinic - mr. moonlight 5. isan - m. mouse 6. delarosa and asora - agony 7. dub tractor - marble 8. the walkmen - stop talking 9. christian kleine - guitar interrupt 10. bola - vamillaglade 11. req - dolby c 12. señor coconut - la noche cool 13. b. fleischmann - nightly 14. cat power - colors and the kids 15. john s. hall and kramer - water 16. delarosa and asora - and a needle maybe 17. broadcast - distant call 18. vince guaraldi - it was a beautiful year 19. conjoint - strange ideas 20. nuno canavarro - cave 21. blonde redhead - loved despite of great faults total time: 68:18 http://www.synthesizer.org/audio/vocalec-64.mp3.m3u -eric --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org