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At 2/13/01 10:27:00 AM you wrote:

quoted 3 lines Could you kindly repeat all this (bullshit) to the 99.5% of "idm"/indie

>Could you kindly repeat all this (bullshit) to the 99.5% of "idm"/indie >artists who work dayjobs to support themselves so that they can continue to >make (good) music for your enjoyment?

I see, so when the the automobile came out, we should have suppressed it for the sake of the horse-carraige drivers, eh? I think you just don't realize, that making music is not a way to make money anymore. At least it won't be. ..And if you step back and look, it really never was. I'm sure I offended many of your with that statement, but.... The INEVITABLE change in music (and most if not all other forms of intellectual property) will be both good and bad. Good, because all the half-assed rockstars will be quickly weeded out, leaving people who truly make music for music's sake. Bad because the equipment and expenses needed to make a record will hinder talented people from creating. Perhaps the "revolution" greratest asset has been to shed light on the true bastards of the industry - the record label moguls themselves. Artificially inflated prices, and obvious trust policies are only now being exposed to the public. As we have seen with the drug war legislation is simply not effective when even just 10% (picked the number out of the air, but the point is clear) of the population disobeys it. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Right, well.... I just hope that once it's impossible to make money with music, Aphex and Autechre and BoC and u-ziq only send their new tunes to a very small close circle friends they can trust not to spread the work, rather than making any attempts to distribute them. This, way, the jerks who feels they have a inborn right to someone else's work won't have the chance to listen to them, paid or not paid for...

quoted 5 lines The INEVITABLE change in music (and most if not all other forms of

>The INEVITABLE change in music (and most if not all other forms of >intellectual property) will be both good and bad. Good, because all the >half-assed rockstars will be quickly weeded out, leaving people who truly >make music for music's sake. Bad because the equipment and expenses needed >to make a record will hinder talented people from creating.

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bill wright wrote :

quoted 7 lines Right, well.... I just hope that once it's impossible to make money

>Right, well.... I just hope that once it's impossible to make money >with music, Aphex and Autechre and BoC and u-ziq only send their new >tunes to a very small close circle friends they can trust not to >spread the work, rather than making any attempts to distribute them. >This, way, the jerks who feels they have a inborn right to someone >else's work won't have the chance to listen to them, paid or not >paid for...

if you, mr. wright, consider listening to music to be stealing it, then you've got to think a bit more about the philosophy of intellectual property and the propagation of culture. the current industry has no concept for the mp3 format, so people think of it as a way to pirate compact discs--what if we think of it as a more diverse, customizable radio station ? of course it's neither, it's a new medium that must be handled in a new way. and this discussion just can't go on until we see some real repercussions from it all--it just hasn't been around long enough. everybody's saying 'napster ruins lives, napster screws over artist and execs', but nobody can prove a thing. funny how the only musicians who are being 'ruined' by it are lars fucking ulrich and mr. dre (no phd!). cheers to jeff from ninja tune for his forward-thinking outlook. hats off to the kronstadt sailors. and as for mr. mccoppin, who feels that musicians trying to earn a living making music is a recent phenomenon (and is somehow a degradation of an idealized world where all composers wrote music only for its own sake), or for sunspot, who feels that music is simply not profitable at all, well... that's all crazy talk, and i think you both know it. in a capitalist society no art exists independantly of the economy. that vague sentence should answer every question on the matter. and i hope that counts as opinion enough for our hot-headed friend martin who rekindled this age-old argument. cheers. .af. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org