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Re: [idm] dsp clarification

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2001-01-27 22:21[idm] dsp clarification
2001-01-27 22:29David Moore Re: [idm] dsp clarification
└─ 2001-01-27 22:40Bill Wright Re: [idm] dsp clarification
2001-01-30 03:39Re: [idm] dsp clarification
2001-01-30 04:01Chris Fahey RE: [idm] dsp clarification
└─ 2001-01-30 04:17EggyToast RE: [idm] dsp clarification
2001-01-30 04:59David Moore RE: [idm] dsp clarification
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2001-01-27 22:21TekDz9ER@aol.comCan somebody clarify for me exactly what DSP is? (Beginning with what the letters stand fo
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Can somebody clarify for me exactly what DSP is? (Beginning with what the letters stand for). I've read many threads about it, but I still have trouble grasping exactly what it's all about. Is it a genre that exists next to IDM? Or is it a subgenre that exists within certain IDM artists? Or is it not a genre at all...just a technical term? I've also noticed people talk about certain artists in both the idm & dsp realm, so I'm a bit confused and was helping someone could shed some light for me. thanks TekDz9er --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-01-27 22:29David MooreDSP stands for digital signal processing... It can mean outboard digital effects, but usua
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DSP stands for digital signal processing... It can mean outboard digital effects, but usually refers to the software used on a computer. i think DSP refered to here is any variety of music that relies heavily on this to create or rather shape a sound. Every artist you hear on this list uses some ammount of DSP in creating their music, but i think the style that is being called DSP is just those who set up huge chains of effects and then change parameters of those effects to create their music... knob twiddling, but no real substance behinf it... i think... David
quoted 18 lines Can somebody clarify for me exactly what DSP is? (Beginning with what the>Can somebody clarify for me exactly what DSP is? (Beginning with what the >letters stand for). I've read many threads about it, but I still have >trouble grasping exactly what it's all about. Is it a genre that exists >next >to IDM? Or is it a subgenre that exists within certain IDM artists? Or is >it not a genre at all...just a technical term? I've also noticed people >talk >about certain artists in both the idm & dsp realm, so I'm a bit confused >and >was helping someone could shed some light for me. > >thanks >TekDz9er > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2001-01-27 22:40Bill WrightDear David, you are so wrong. DSP in fact stands for "die satan penis". And it is fact a G
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Dear David, you are so wrong. DSP in fact stands for "die satan penis". And it is fact a German band from the Rotterdam scene in the early 1990s. They were so influential as to have their own subgenre of IDM named after them, after their massive hit "Very Studiomatic Teklin" (VST) took them to the top of the sphere of influence of the hardcore scene in Rotterdam. They released several albums such as "Granulation" "Sonic Decimator" and "Das Ring Modulator" on Hyper Prism records out of Connecticut. Their final joint, "Reaktorator" was a commericial failure yet they came to be identified with this style of music due to their expressive fashion style and long hair and people acknowledge them to this day as the forefathers of their field. Glad I could clear this up for you, Bill At 04:29 PM 1/27/2001 -0600, you wrote:
quoted 10 lines DSP stands for digital signal processing...>DSP stands for digital signal processing... >It can mean outboard digital effects, but usually refers to the software >used on a computer. i think DSP refered to here is any variety of music >that relies heavily on this to create or rather shape a sound. Every >artist you hear on this list uses some ammount of DSP in creating their >music, but i think the style that is being called DSP is just those who >set up huge chains of effects and then change parameters of those effects >to create their music... knob twiddling, but no real substance behinf >it... i think... >David
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2001-01-30 03:39maintzger@netscape.netTekDz9er, Digital Signal Processing has a specific technical meaning, but generally refers
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TekDz9er, Digital Signal Processing has a specific technical meaning, but generally refers to anything one does to a sample or more basic waveform, such as a sawtooth wave. Audio post-production, if you like. Or "do something perverse." Dean "David Moore" <number1138@hotmail.com> wrote:
quoted 39 lines DSP stands for digital signal processing...> > DSP stands for digital signal processing... > It can mean outboard digital effects, but usually refers to the software > used on a computer.  i think DSP refered to here is any variety of music > that relies heavily on this to create or rather shape a sound.  Every artist > you hear on this list uses some ammount of DSP in creating their music, but > i think the style that is being called DSP is just those who set up huge > chains of effects and then change parameters of those effects to create > their music... knob twiddling, but no real substance behinf it... i think... > David > > >Can somebody clarify for me exactly what DSP is? (Beginning with what the > >letters stand for).  I've read many threads about it, but I still have > >trouble grasping exactly what it's all about.  Is it a genre that exists > >next > >to IDM?  Or is it a subgenre that exists within certain IDM artists?  Or is > >it not a genre at all...just a technical term?  I've also noticed people > >talk > >about certain artists in both the idm & dsp realm, so I'm a bit confused > >and > >was helping someone could shed some light for me. > > > >thanks > >TekDz9er > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
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2001-01-30 04:01Chris Fahey> > i think the style that is being called DSP is just those > > who set up huge > > chain
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quoted 4 lines i think the style that is being called DSP is just those> > i think the style that is being called DSP is just those > > who set up huge > > chains of effects and then change parameters of those > > effects
DSP is analogous to filters in Photoshop: They're not inherently evil, and in fact everyone uses them, even really good artists. The people who use the newest ones first seem often seem really cool... until everyone realizes that their work was done by pressing only one button. Certain DSP effects do more than just modify waveforms, in the same way that many Photoshop plug ins do more than modify a single quality of the image. There are Photoshop filters that, for example, add a little folded corner to your image, or add a lens flare. These tend to be obvious to anyone who knows Photoshop. When someone take a photo and adds a lens flare or a "trace outlines" filter to it and calls it art, advanced Photoshop users usually laugh at them. I'm sure the equivalent situation exists among DSP users. For example, I think there are DSP effects that make a single simple looping drum sample sound all crazy-chopped up and non-repeating just by clicking a button. DSP effects are cool, and the people who program them are fucking geniuses (usually). I suspect, however, that in 5 years much of what we refer to as "DSP IDM" will sound like what Kai's Power Tools looks like today. -Cf --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-01-30 04:17EggyToast> >DSP effects are cool, and the people who program them are fucking geniuses >(usually).
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quoted 4 lines DSP effects are cool, and the people who program them are fucking geniuses> >DSP effects are cool, and the people who program them are fucking geniuses >(usually). I suspect, however, that in 5 years much of what we refer to as >"DSP IDM" will sound like what Kai's Power Tools looks like today.
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2001-01-30 04:59David MooreI wasn't trying to slam DSPing or Plug-ins, because every artist i talk about on this list
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I wasn't trying to slam DSPing or Plug-ins, because every artist i talk about on this list uses them extensively. The explanation i gave was very rudimentary and when i hear DSP for DSPs sake i think of some guy randomly patching plug-ins and calling the work that plops out genius, when really its just a cop-out... David
quoted 39 lines i think the style that is being called DSP is just those> > > i think the style that is being called DSP is just those > > > who set up huge > > > chains of effects and then change parameters of those > > > effects > >DSP is analogous to filters in Photoshop: They're not inherently evil, and >in fact everyone uses them, even really good artists. The people who use >the >newest ones first seem often seem really cool... until everyone realizes >that their work was done by pressing only one button. > >Certain DSP effects do more than just modify waveforms, in the same way >that >many Photoshop plug ins do more than modify a single quality of the image. >There are Photoshop filters that, for example, add a little folded corner >to >your image, or add a lens flare. These tend to be obvious to anyone who >knows Photoshop. When someone take a photo and adds a lens flare or a >"trace >outlines" filter to it and calls it art, advanced Photoshop users usually >laugh at them. I'm sure the equivalent situation exists among DSP users. >For >example, I think there are DSP effects that make a single simple looping >drum sample sound all crazy-chopped up and non-repeating just by clicking a >button. > >DSP effects are cool, and the people who program them are fucking geniuses >(usually). I suspect, however, that in 5 years much of what we refer to as >"DSP IDM" will sound like what Kai's Power Tools looks like today. > >-Cf > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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