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quoted 6 lines At 01:43 PM 1/24/01, you wrote:

>At 01:43 PM 1/24/01, you wrote: >>Check out >>http://home4.swipnet.se/~w-46401/DARK/index.html >> >>It's hilarious. >

i can honestly say, from the way my eyes started to droop, breathing became laboured, and drool started to form on the corners of my mouth(almost like sexual urges, hmmm), that i just lost an immeasurable amount of intelligence just reading what was on that list i feel dumb, and while ive never felt like the brightest chap, the realization of how stupid these kids are and yet the fact that they know how to work with html and im still here one-fingering the magic, that afformentioned shotgun may be brought to bear on myself please keep those "worst of the worst" links to off-list emails please, for the love of god if i wanted that kind of thing, i wouldnt need to look very hard im still reeling, ughh anyway, presently listening to the Artefacts compilation on Art-tek label, and am wondering how difficult it would be for someone to keep up with the modern "electronic" music progression from "putting the morr.." to the n5MD MD1, to this comp, im beginning to feel submerged, over my head, out of my purchasing power league, its all so fucking good, but when is enough enough anyone else having a similar realization dawn on them?? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

This is an interesting thought that occurred to me over the weekend. I don't usually post on weekends, though so it never saw the light of day. I already have more music than I can listen to...and more and more is arriving every hour. I have good stuff (like this aretefacts comp) sitting on my cd player, ready for a dedicated listen, but when I get in the mood, I wanna hear that new Aurora comp again or maybe that new BB King disc I picked up last week or this or that or whatever...who has time for everything, even every GOOD thing, anymore? Is this a result of being involved in the same scene for too long or is this just the nature of THIS scene?? Any thoughts on this? ---brian ------------------------ Brian W. Gause Senior Technical Writer SECTORBASE.com 568 Howard Street First Floor San Francisco, CA 94105 Direct: (415) 365-8203 Fax: (415) 365-8263 -----Original Message----- From: me makes you [mailto:woolydogeater@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 2:42 PM To: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [idm] not funny, & artefacts

quoted 6 lines At 01:43 PM 1/24/01, you wrote:

>At 01:43 PM 1/24/01, you wrote: >>Check out >>http://home4.swipnet.se/~w-46401/DARK/index.html >> >>It's hilarious. >

i can honestly say, from the way my eyes started to droop, breathing became laboured, and drool started to form on the corners of my mouth(almost like sexual urges, hmmm), that i just lost an immeasurable amount of intelligence just reading what was on that list i feel dumb, and while ive never felt like the brightest chap, the realization of how stupid these kids are and yet the fact that they know how to work with html and im still here one-fingering the magic, that afformentioned shotgun may be brought to bear on myself please keep those "worst of the worst" links to off-list emails please, for the love of god if i wanted that kind of thing, i wouldnt need to look very hard im still reeling, ughh anyway, presently listening to the Artefacts compilation on Art-tek label, and am wondering how difficult it would be for someone to keep up with the modern "electronic" music progression from "putting the morr.." to the n5MD MD1, to this comp, im beginning to feel submerged, over my head, out of my purchasing power league, its all so fucking good, but when is enough enough anyone else having a similar realization dawn on them?? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Interestingly I find a siimlar, yet distinctly different problem occuring nowadays. With the advent of Napster, the potential influx of music has become so enormous that I seemed to have the lost the fun of getting music like I used to. I used to buy a CD only once in while and immerse myself in it. After a month or two, I'd get another and the love affair would begin again... Now with Napster, I have a choice of so much music that non of it is really appealing anymore. Perhaps the arrival of Napster is just coincidental to my complete disgust with the glitch-dsp CRAP that seems to be the "talk of the town" on this list.(On another note, I truly wonder how many of you really like this noise shit, and how many of you are just afraid to get up and say that you hate it for fear of being chewed out.) Perhaps Napster has had an unintended effect of providing a sensory overload, and in doing so, will destroy the music scene through an unanticipated route - creation of pure apathy. For me, this dime-a-dozen, random glitch sounds shit doesn't help much - perhaps I'm not one to judge, but from the discussions and music touted on this list, IDM seems to have devolved into some extremely unintelligent gurglings. I expec this sort of "creative" copycatting from pop muisc not an alternative/pretty much non-lucrative subgenre. Sunspot --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 27 lines Interestingly I find a siimlar, yet distinctly different

> Interestingly I find a siimlar, yet distinctly different > problem occuring nowadays. With the advent of Napster, the > potential influx of music has become so enormous that I seemed > to have the lost the fun of getting music like I used to. I used > to buy a CD only once in while and immerse myself in it. After a > month or two, I'd get another and the love affair would begin again... > > Now with Napster, I have a choice of so much music that non > of it is really appealing anymore. Perhaps the arrival of Napster > is just coincidental to my complete disgust with the glitch-dsp > CRAP that seems to be the "talk of the town" on this list.(On > another note, I truly wonder how many of you really like this > noise shit, and how many of you are just afraid to get up and say > that you hate it for fear of being chewed out.) > > Perhaps Napster has had an unintended effect of providing a > sensory overload, and in doing so, will destroy the music scene > through an unanticipated route - creation of pure apathy. > For me, this dime-a-dozen, random glitch sounds shit doesn't help > much - perhaps I'm not one to judge, but from the discussions and > music touted on this list, IDM seems to have devolved into some > extremely unintelligent gurglings. I expec this sort of > "creative" copycatting from pop muisc not an alternative/pretty > much non-lucrative subgenre. > > Sunspot >

Naw. Napster has nothing to do with it. Mp3 quality sucks anyway. How could one fall in love affair with resin women? What delight do you expect from this barren mp3 quality? I hope you just have a period of music fatigue.. 8) It might happen with any thing in life... you'll be back to it with even more enthusiasm I'm sure... ..with respect to glitch dsp noise idm... hell yeah! I'm the one to tell that there's lots of muzak in idm these days and we have to dig into it much more deepeer to find what we seek...I'm hungry for more melodic stuff now for sure...I still don't like EP7 in comparison to my utter and complete love of their previous releases...and if the gems are hard to find, doesn't it make finding really brilliant stuff even more pleasing? I might be just too optimistic on that but I do agree with you and have a much bright view of the situation simultaneously.. 8) Alien --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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quoted 1 line Mp3 quality sucks anyway.

> Mp3 quality sucks anyway.

What do you base this on? Your personal opinion? Your 'golden ears'? What sort of playback facilities do you employ? Do you only listen to vinyl? If you do, I understand your reluctance to embrace MP3's. But if you are used to CD's, which are purely a digital format anyway, then MP3's are not that far removed in sound quality. (Most of the music we are discussing here is digitally manipulated to start with.) In blind testing using audiophile-type snobs, they were *unable* to tell apart the original source recording from an MP3 encoded @128kbps or higher. Sure, it depends on codecs, algorhythms and other nice words, but at the end of the day if there is a happy confluence of all the relevant bits of technology, the result should be sweet and pleasing. Try again please before forming opinions. I * np : Herbie Hancock - Dis is Da Drum (try this for funky beatz) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 6 lines It was said previously:

> It was said previously: > > > Mp3 quality sucks anyway. > > What do you base this on? Your personal opinion? Your 'golden > ears'? What sort of playback facilities do you employ?

Yes, I base it on my personal humble opinion. I've got normal ears but musical people who know me always told me that I'm not earless in musical sense... I employ Rotel amplifier 971 mkII and cd player 950 and B&W 603 S2 speakers with Golden Eagle cables which changed my opinion on quality of the music absolutely....Now I can listen to classical music and realise how great it is without going to the live concerts...the change in musical atmosphear and stereo panorama was astonishing....

quoted 5 lines Do you only listen to vinyl? If you do, I understand your reluctance

> Do you only listen to vinyl? If you do, I understand your reluctance > to embrace MP3's. But if you are used to CD's, which are purely a > digital format anyway, then MP3's are not that far removed in sound > quality. (Most of the music we are discussing here is digitally > manipulated to start with.)

No, unfortunately, I do not listen to vynil as i still have no money to buy a decent turntable. Though I've started to collect vynils already...8-)

quoted 3 lines In blind testing using audiophile-type snobs, they were *unable* to

> In blind testing using audiophile-type snobs, they were *unable* to > tell apart the original source recording from an MP3 encoded > @128kbps or higher.

mp3 128 does sound different from original source recording, greatly. I can hear that, though not always that clearly. the most effect it has is on the subconscious acceptance of atmosphear and panorama and on clarity of the higher frequencies...you can kill me for that anyway... I know people who say that they cannot tell cheap cassette player sound from Cd player....if I am sound quality snob then who are they?

quoted 3 lines Sure, it depends on codecs, algorhythms and other nice words, but

> Sure, it depends on codecs, algorhythms and other nice words, but > at the end of the day if there is a happy confluence of all the > relevant bits of technology, the result should be sweet and pleasing.

mp3 192 and higher are good for me but I still would not compare them to originals as even after decompressing of mp3 192kbs and buring it on CD they sound differently...IMHO IMHO IMHO

quoted 1 line Try again please before forming opinions.

> Try again please before forming opinions.

that's one of the most outrageous things i've ever heard in my mails! if it would not be from you Irene, the person I do deeply respect and have a personal attachment to, I would say something really offensive... 8( what the hell is this list coming to if a person telling his personal opinion on the quality of a compressed music (which is worse than original in the every meaning of that fact of compression) gets offensive mails telling he's a snob? CD quality is bad because of the digital representation of the sound that has its own limitations but then how compressed CD sound can be good? ok. if you do not hear it - it's your opinion, I CAN hear that and I CLEARLY SAY THAT 128 kbs MP3 SOUND SUCKS IN COMPARISON TO ORIGINAL CDs....now you can call me snob one more time... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 2 lines for sure...I still don't like EP7 in comparison to my utter and complete

>for sure...I still don't like EP7 in comparison to my utter and complete >love of their previous releases...

I feel the same way. Tri Repetae was great and then the descent began. Despite the supposed genius behind EP7 that some observed, I still think its a piece of crap. Complexity without depth is just a piece of shit in a nice carrying case. :) What happened to melody? Why has everyone jumped on this steel factory-sounding motif? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org