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2001-01-18 17:21Josh Brown [idm] Re: offensive pricks
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└─ 2001-01-19 22:19R. Lim [idm] Re: free yr mind, etc
2001-01-20 02:24...(Sunsp0t)... Re: [idm] Re: free yr mind, etc
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2001-01-18 17:21Josh Brownsorry to chime in, but I feel I must. I would guess that during this recent display of mis
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sorry to chime in, but I feel I must. I would guess that during this recent display of misogyny by many of the male members of this list, for example the comment "gives the hens something to cluck about" which is obviously degrading and invalidating of women's feelings, and in fact implies that women are merely animals rather than human, many of the women here are wondering why they ever subscribed and why they should now stay. I would personally like to register my support for the original poster who felt offended by RDJ's comments and all of the women who find jokes about rape, molestation, sexual assault and violence against women distasteful, offensive and in fact display true hatred of women by the people who make them and laugh at them and then defend them being made in the first place. Now, what would be helpful in determining true responsibility for the offense would be to hear from an impartial witness, exactly what was said, but based on the impression that she got, I would venture that whatever RDJ said, it was out of line and he should have bit his arrogant egotistical tongue. So what I would like to ask, is that people on this list, especially the sexist offensive pricks, keep your comments to the subject of music only, and then maybe there will be some information presented in the list that will provide a good reason for the women here to stick around. That comment about the hens was really the same thing as the old racist jokes likening certain minorities to monkeys etc... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-01-18 23:25R. LimOn Thu, 18 Jan 2001, Josh Brown wrote: > implies that women are merely animals rather than
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On Thu, 18 Jan 2001, Josh Brown wrote:
quoted 3 lines implies that women are merely animals rather than human, many of the> implies that women are merely animals rather than human, many of the > women here are wondering why they ever subscribed and why they should > now stay. I would personally like to register my support for the
I'm sure that the women list readers will now remain subscribed, thanks to your chivalrous defense of their honor.
quoted 2 lines got, I would venture that whatever RDJ said, it was out of line and he> got, I would venture that whatever RDJ said, it was out of line and he > should have bit his arrogant egotistical tongue. So what I would like to
I personally go for the "innocent until proven guilty" approach myself (even in cases in which the identity of an e-mail account can be verified to a reasonable amount of certainty, which is not entirely the case here), but if you have the whit of resourcefulness you need to locate the archives for the mailing list in question, the pertinent discussion occurs in volume one, numbers 224 and 225. -rob --- "This program posts news to thousands of machines throughout the entire civilized world. Your message will cost the net hundreds if not thousands of dollars to send everywhere. Are you absolutely sure that you want to do this? [yn]" --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-01-19 22:19R. LimApologies for continuing this thread, but judging from the amount of personal e-mail/four-
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Fri, 19 Jan 2001 17:19:10 -0500 (EST)
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Apologies for continuing this thread, but judging from the amount of personal e-mail/four-letter words that have ended up in my lap since yesterday, I suspect there are many of you out there who completely missed the point of my message. The problem I had with Josh's post is that, while sincere and well-meaning, I found it to be patronizing. By trying to curb the behavior of "many of the male members of this list" in order to "provide a good reason for the women here to stick around," Josh inadvertently puts women into a special, thin-skinned class that needs to be protected from the marauding band of "sexist offensive pricks." Well guess what? Sexism comes in different forms and flavors in our society and the knight-in-shining-armor routine is an example of one of the oldest and most insidious forms around. Hence, I ask all those in high horse cavalcade formation to do a quick check to make sure you're on the right side. -rob slightly on-topic postscript- is all of this United States of America name-checking in the Broadcast thread in reference to Joe Byrd's 60s combo that had tangential relationship to the NY minimalists? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-01-20 02:24...(Sunsp0t)...At 1/19/01 5:19:00 PM you wrote: >Apologies for continuing this thread, but judging from t
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At 1/19/01 5:19:00 PM you wrote:
quoted 12 lines Apologies for continuing this thread, but judging from the amount of>Apologies for continuing this thread, but judging from the amount of >personal e-mail/four-letter words that have ended up in my lap since >yesterday, I suspect there are many of you out there who completely missed >the point of my message. > >The problem I had with Josh's post is that, while sincere and >well-meaning, I found it to be patronizing. By trying to curb the >behavior of "many of the male members of this list" in order to "provide a >good reason for the women here to stick around," Josh inadvertently puts >women into a special, thin-skinned class that needs to be protected from >the marauding band of "sexist offensive pricks." >
Oh, I see. To recognize and take stance with manifestations of inequality is to perpetuate it? God, this is the classical right-wing attack on liberalism... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org