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ok i'll have to spoil the secret. making bouncing ball noises is really, really, really easy.. you can do it with any midi sequencer, you just have to be patient, algorhythms my ass... just go in real close on your sequencer and make every note a little bit shorter in distance to the next in a pattern, tighter and tighter till they make a little line, if you sit with it enough, and tweak (takes 5 min max), then play with the pan, you will have aphex, ae bouncing balls.. or take an sh101(or any other real analog) use the arpeggio, and make a bass kick like sound, then start the lfo/clock so its real slow, and then make it faster, this is the bouncing effect used in parts of the autechtre peel sessions from the amber era....it is just that simple peace -pete In a message dated 1/16/01 10:39:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, vuzh@peakpeak.com writes:

quoted 16 lines just a thought,

> just a thought, > but my theory is that aphex sampled tod dockstader's "water music" for his > "bucephalus bouncing ball" from the 'come to daddy' ep. > > somehow i just can't imagine RDJ dicking around with mathematical > algorhythms like autechre claim to have done with their bouncing ball sounds > on 'cichlisuite' etc. > > and even if that isn't the case, of all the avant garde artists that > preceded what is now IDM (or whatever you want to call it) one of the least > credited, most deserving of the lot is the aforementioned mr. dockstader. > i just can't imagine: he was so ahead of his time, and yet relegated to mere > 'novelty' status. shame really. > > c. >

And for all you math posers out there, the function for falling objects (i.e. gravity) is an exponential function, therefore if you apply an exponential curve over the triggering of a sample, you can have all the wonder of math and science that our god RDJ brought us by commercially releasing a recording of the sound of a ball bouncing. As a side note. I know Aphex gets wayyyy too much play on this list, still, so many years after he has publicly declared he's going to stop putting out records. Well, obviously he still makes music. Rumor has it that he's on the SuperCollider list. Well, last week this persona (who most have agreed *is* RDJ) said some really fucked up things about raping women. After he got called on it he was totally unapologetic, and even more of an asshole. Then to make things even stranger, he starting actually talking about SC, quite intelligently. So here we have an asshole that talks the talk that's on an esoteric computer music mailing list. I think all of you fan boys should get up and send a message to eric_hard_jams@btinternet.com Oh, yeah, and don't buy any more Aphex records, he's an offensive prick. -l on 1/16/01 8:21 PM, CAPOIIEE@aol.com at CAPOIIEE@aol.com wrote:

quoted 40 lines ok i'll have to spoil the secret. making bouncing ball noises is really,

> ok i'll have to spoil the secret. making bouncing ball noises is really, > really, really easy.. you can do it with any midi sequencer, you just have to > be patient, algorhythms my ass... just go in real close on your sequencer and > make every note a little bit shorter in distance to the next in a pattern, > tighter and tighter till they make a little line, if you sit with it enough, > and tweak (takes 5 min max), then play with the pan, you will have aphex, ae > bouncing balls.. or take an sh101(or any other real analog) use the arpeggio, > and make a bass kick like sound, then start the lfo/clock so its real slow, > and then make it faster, this is the bouncing effect used in parts of the > autechtre peel sessions from the amber era....it is just that simple > > peace > > -pete > > > > In a message dated 1/16/01 10:39:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, > vuzh@peakpeak.com writes: > > >> just a thought, >> but my theory is that aphex sampled tod dockstader's "water music" for his >> "bucephalus bouncing ball" from the 'come to daddy' ep. >> >> somehow i just can't imagine RDJ dicking around with mathematical >> algorhythms like autechre claim to have done with their bouncing ball sounds >> on 'cichlisuite' etc. >> >> and even if that isn't the case, of all the avant garde artists that >> preceded what is now IDM (or whatever you want to call it) one of the least >> credited, most deserving of the lot is the aforementioned mr. dockstader. >> i just can't imagine: he was so ahead of his time, and yet relegated to mere >> 'novelty' status. shame really. >> >> c. >> > > >

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on 1/17/01 10:33 AM, Lee Azzarello at roswell@alumni.antioch-college.edu wrote:

quoted 14 lines As a side note. I know Aphex gets wayyyy too much play on this list, still,

> As a side note. I know Aphex gets wayyyy too much play on this list, still, > so many years after he has publicly declared he's going to stop putting out > records. Well, obviously he still makes music. Rumor has it that he's on the > SuperCollider list. Well, last week this persona (who most have agreed *is* > RDJ) said some really fucked up things about raping women. After he got > called on it he was totally unapologetic, and even more of an asshole. Then > to make things even stranger, he starting actually talking about SC, quite > intelligently. So here we have an asshole that talks the talk that's on an > esoteric computer music mailing list. I think all of you fan boys should get > up and send a message to eric_hard_jams@btinternet.com > > Oh, yeah, and don't buy any more Aphex records, he's an offensive prick. > > -l

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On Wed, 17 Jan 2001, Dave Segal wrote:

quoted 1 line You might as well toss all of your Miles Davis albums.

> You might as well toss all of your Miles Davis albums.

quick topic for debate: who makes more worthy music? it's hard to figure out than you think. :P micah stupak /"\ laerm@soulfood.org ascii ribbon campaign \ / international bright young kook against HTML email X / \ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

I wouldn't know, I've never spoken to Miles Davis. -l on 1/17/01 5:05 PM, Dave Segal at segal@altpress.com wrote:

quoted 34 lines on 1/17/01 10:33 AM, Lee Azzarello at roswell@alumni.antioch-college.edu

> on 1/17/01 10:33 AM, Lee Azzarello at roswell@alumni.antioch-college.edu > wrote: > >> As a side note. I know Aphex gets wayyyy too much play on this list, still, >> so many years after he has publicly declared he's going to stop putting out >> records. Well, obviously he still makes music. Rumor has it that he's on the >> SuperCollider list. Well, last week this persona (who most have agreed *is* >> RDJ) said some really fucked up things about raping women. After he got >> called on it he was totally unapologetic, and even more of an asshole. Then >> to make things even stranger, he starting actually talking about SC, quite >> intelligently. So here we have an asshole that talks the talk that's on an >> esoteric computer music mailing list. I think all of you fan boys should get >> up and send a message to eric_hard_jams@btinternet.com >> >> Oh, yeah, and don't buy any more Aphex records, he's an offensive prick. >> >> -l > > You might as well toss all of your Miles Davis albums. > He was quite a bastard toward women, too. > > Dave Segal > Managing Editor/Alternative Press > Secret Ions on WCSB 89.3FM Thursdays 9-11PM EST [www.wcsb.org] > > np: Salvo Beta- Abrasive Stuttering (SomeOdd Pilot) > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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quoted 7 lines From: Lee Azzarello <roswell@alumni.antioch-college.edu>

>From: Lee Azzarello <roswell@alumni.antioch-college.edu> >To: IDM <idm@hyperreal.org> >Subject: Re: [idm] offensive pricks >Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 15:26:39 -0800 > >I wouldn't know, I've never spoken to Miles Davis. >

Oh, man, you are the coolest dude on this list. I can't believe you've actually spoken to Richard. My whole life revolves around the day that i'll meet him. I bet he burps and farts just like everyone else. With your far reaching connections, and your vast knowledge of Super Collider, you must have some amazing records under your belt. I know I sure don't. I'm still a math poser. Maybe one day people like me and Dave Segal will be half as cool as you. maybe i shouldn't have said all this, it's pretty shitty. I'm sorry in advance. But it seems to me that you are awfully condescending to the very people that are supportive of you in the real world. peace, really. -petey

quoted 56 lines on 1/17/01 5:05 PM, Dave Segal at segal@altpress.com wrote:

>on 1/17/01 5:05 PM, Dave Segal at segal@altpress.com wrote: > > > on 1/17/01 10:33 AM, Lee Azzarello at roswell@alumni.antioch-college.edu > > wrote: > > > >> As a side note. I know Aphex gets wayyyy too much play on this list, >still, > >> so many years after he has publicly declared he's going to stop putting >out > >> records. Well, obviously he still makes music. Rumor has it that he's >on the > >> SuperCollider list. Well, last week this persona (who most have agreed >*is* > >> RDJ) said some really fucked up things about raping women. After he got > >> called on it he was totally unapologetic, and even more of an asshole. >Then > >> to make things even stranger, he starting actually talking about SC, >quite > >> intelligently. So here we have an asshole that talks the talk that's on >an > >> esoteric computer music mailing list. I think all of you fan boys >should get > >> up and send a message to eric_hard_jams@btinternet.com > >> > >> Oh, yeah, and don't buy any more Aphex records, he's an offensive >prick. > >> > >> -l > > > > You might as well toss all of your Miles Davis albums. > > He was quite a bastard toward women, too. > > > > Dave Segal > > Managing Editor/Alternative Press > > Secret Ions on WCSB 89.3FM Thursdays 9-11PM EST [www.wcsb.org] > > > > np: Salvo Beta- Abrasive Stuttering (SomeOdd Pilot) > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > >-l[e^2] > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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First off, thank you for supporting me. But I'm curious why you think I'm the coolest dude on this list...? I never made such claims. Also, I think you are mistaken about my output of recorded material, I don't have that much, but I will let you know as soon as I release something. I am also a fairly new SuperCollider user, and I'm still building my foundation in OOP. These days I much prefer to use MAX/MSP, especially for live performance. The graphical system makes the learning curve much more level. Lastly, I'm just curious, did you read my original post? From your words below it seems like you read the first line and replied shortly thereafter. I sympathize with your insecurities. I too was once intimidated by strangers. I don't think you have anything to worry about though, as most people adjust to this kind of social anxiety when they leave their teenage years behind. I also had a common disorder when I first began using email lists, where I would feel comfortable saying mean and distasteful things since I couldn't actually see the people I was writing to. After a few months, I chilled out a little and became more accustomed to online communication. I then began to develop meaningful relationships in online forums and not take them for granted. This comes with experience, so you just need to spend a little more time online. Before you post anything, you just need to ask yourself "would I say this in public? Would I say this to another person if they were standing in front of me?" If the answer is no, then you should reconsider posting it to a public forum. cheers, Lee on 1/17/01 4:18 PM, peter chavez at dspeter5000@hotmail.com wrote:

quoted 90 lines From: Lee Azzarello <roswell@alumni.antioch-college.edu>

>> From: Lee Azzarello <roswell@alumni.antioch-college.edu> >> To: IDM <idm@hyperreal.org> >> Subject: Re: [idm] offensive pricks >> Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 15:26:39 -0800 >> >> I wouldn't know, I've never spoken to Miles Davis. >> > > Oh, man, you are the coolest dude on this list. I can't believe you've > actually spoken to Richard. My whole life revolves around the day that i'll > meet him. I bet he burps and farts just like everyone else. > > With your far reaching connections, and your vast knowledge of Super > Collider, you must have some amazing records under your belt. I know I sure > don't. I'm still a math poser. Maybe one day people like me and Dave Segal > will be half as cool as you. > > maybe i shouldn't have said all this, it's pretty shitty. I'm sorry in > advance. But it seems to me that you are awfully condescending to the very > people that are supportive of you in the real world. > > peace, really. > > -petey > >> on 1/17/01 5:05 PM, Dave Segal at segal@altpress.com wrote: >> >>> on 1/17/01 10:33 AM, Lee Azzarello at roswell@alumni.antioch-college.edu >>> wrote: >>> >>>> As a side note. I know Aphex gets wayyyy too much play on this list, >> still, >>>> so many years after he has publicly declared he's going to stop putting >> out >>>> records. Well, obviously he still makes music. Rumor has it that he's >> on the >>>> SuperCollider list. Well, last week this persona (who most have agreed >> *is* >>>> RDJ) said some really fucked up things about raping women. After he got >>>> called on it he was totally unapologetic, and even more of an asshole. >> Then >>>> to make things even stranger, he starting actually talking about SC, >> quite >>>> intelligently. So here we have an asshole that talks the talk that's on >> an >>>> esoteric computer music mailing list. I think all of you fan boys >> should get >>>> up and send a message to eric_hard_jams@btinternet.com >>>> >>>> Oh, yeah, and don't buy any more Aphex records, he's an offensive >> prick. >>>> >>>> -l >>> >>> You might as well toss all of your Miles Davis albums. >>> He was quite a bastard toward women, too. >>> >>> Dave Segal >>> Managing Editor/Alternative Press >>> Secret Ions on WCSB 89.3FM Thursdays 9-11PM EST [www.wcsb.org] >>> >>> np: Salvo Beta- Abrasive Stuttering (SomeOdd Pilot) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >>> >> >> >> >> -l[e^2] >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >> > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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quoted 3 lines But it seems to me that you are awfully condescending to the very

>But it seems to me that you are awfully condescending to the very >people that are supportive of you in the real world. >

Who is "you" in the real world?

quoted 73 lines peace, really.

>peace, really. > >-petey > >>on 1/17/01 5:05 PM, Dave Segal at segal@altpress.com wrote: >> >> > on 1/17/01 10:33 AM, Lee Azzarello at >>roswell@alumni.antioch-college.edu >> > wrote: >> > >> >> As a side note. I know Aphex gets wayyyy too much play on this list, >>still, >> >> so many years after he has publicly declared he's going to stop >>putting >>out >> >> records. Well, obviously he still makes music. Rumor has it that he's >>on the >> >> SuperCollider list. Well, last week this persona (who most have agreed >>*is* >> >> RDJ) said some really fucked up things about raping women. After he >>got >> >> called on it he was totally unapologetic, and even more of an asshole. >>Then >> >> to make things even stranger, he starting actually talking about SC, >>quite >> >> intelligently. So here we have an asshole that talks the talk that's >>on >>an >> >> esoteric computer music mailing list. I think all of you fan boys >>should get >> >> up and send a message to eric_hard_jams@btinternet.com >> >> >> >> Oh, yeah, and don't buy any more Aphex records, he's an offensive >>prick. >> >> >> >> -l >> > >> > You might as well toss all of your Miles Davis albums. >> > He was quite a bastard toward women, too. >> > >> > Dave Segal >> > Managing Editor/Alternative Press >> > Secret Ions on WCSB 89.3FM Thursdays 9-11PM EST [www.wcsb.org] >> > >> > np: Salvo Beta- Abrasive Stuttering (SomeOdd Pilot) >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >> > >> >> >> >>-l[e^2] >> >> >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >> > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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quoted 1 line quick topic for debate: who makes more worthy music?

> quick topic for debate: who makes more worthy music?

miles or richard? well miles isn't still making music, but from what he made i would say he is a much better musician. depends on what you consider "worthy" though i guess. -jonah --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

He was just teasing you lee. Best. G. p,s. Miles is still ahead. yeah iceT was a prick too. re: ASIO ----------

quoted 10 lines From: Lee Azzarello <roswell@alumni.antioch-college.edu>

> From: Lee Azzarello <roswell@alumni.antioch-college.edu> > To: IDM <idm@hyperreal.org> > Subject: Re: [idm] offensive pricks > Date: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 8:34 PM > > First off, thank you for supporting me. But I'm curious why you think I'm > the coolest dude on this list...? I never made such claims. Also, I think > you are mistaken about my output of recorded material, I don't have that > much, but I will let you know as soon as I release something. I am also a > fairly new SuperCollider user, and I'm still building my foundation in

OOP.

quoted 5 lines These days I much prefer to use MAX/MSP, especially for live performance.

> These days I much prefer to use MAX/MSP, especially for live performance. > The graphical system makes the learning curve much more level. > > Lastly, I'm just curious, did you read my original post? From your words > below it seems like you read the first line and replied shortly

thereafter.

quoted 3 lines I sympathize with your insecurities. I too was once intimidated by

> I sympathize with your insecurities. I too was once intimidated by > strangers. I don't think you have anything to worry about though, as most > people adjust to this kind of social anxiety when they leave their

teenage

quoted 3 lines years behind.

> years behind. > > I also had a common disorder when I first began using email lists, where

I

quoted 1 line would feel comfortable saying mean and distasteful things since I

> would feel comfortable saying mean and distasteful things since I

couldn't

quoted 1 line actually see the people I was writing to. After a few months, I chilled

> actually see the people I was writing to. After a few months, I chilled

out

quoted 1 line a little and became more accustomed to online communication. I then began

> a little and became more accustomed to online communication. I then began

to

quoted 2 lines develop meaningful relationships in online forums and not take them for

> develop meaningful relationships in online forums and not take them for > granted. This comes with experience, so you just need to spend a little

more

quoted 1 line time online. Before you post anything, you just need to ask yourself

> time online. Before you post anything, you just need to ask yourself

"would

quoted 19 lines I say this in public? Would I say this to another person if they were

> I say this in public? Would I say this to another person if they were > standing in front of me?" If the answer is no, then you should reconsider > posting it to a public forum. > > cheers, > Lee > > on 1/17/01 4:18 PM, peter chavez at dspeter5000@hotmail.com wrote: > > >> From: Lee Azzarello <roswell@alumni.antioch-college.edu> > >> To: IDM <idm@hyperreal.org> > >> Subject: Re: [idm] offensive pricks > >> Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 15:26:39 -0800 > >> > >> I wouldn't know, I've never spoken to Miles Davis. > >> > > > > Oh, man, you are the coolest dude on this list. I can't believe you've > > actually spoken to Richard. My whole life revolves around the day that

i'll

quoted 4 lines meet him. I bet he burps and farts just like everyone else.

> > meet him. I bet he burps and farts just like everyone else. > > > > With your far reaching connections, and your vast knowledge of Super > > Collider, you must have some amazing records under your belt. I know I

sure

quoted 1 line don't. I'm still a math poser. Maybe one day people like me and Dave

> > don't. I'm still a math poser. Maybe one day people like me and Dave

Segal

quoted 4 lines will be half as cool as you.

> > will be half as cool as you. > > > > maybe i shouldn't have said all this, it's pretty shitty. I'm sorry in > > advance. But it seems to me that you are awfully condescending to the

very

quoted 9 lines people that are supportive of you in the real world.

> > people that are supportive of you in the real world. > > > > peace, really. > > > > -petey > > > >> on 1/17/01 5:05 PM, Dave Segal at segal@altpress.com wrote: > >> > >>> on 1/17/01 10:33 AM, Lee Azzarello at

roswell@alumni.antioch-college.edu

quoted 5 lines wrote:

> >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> As a side note. I know Aphex gets wayyyy too much play on this list, > >> still, > >>>> so many years after he has publicly declared he's going to stop

putting

quoted 2 lines out

> >> out > >>>> records. Well, obviously he still makes music. Rumor has it that

he's

quoted 2 lines on the

> >> on the > >>>> SuperCollider list. Well, last week this persona (who most have

agreed

quoted 2 lines *is*

> >> *is* > >>>> RDJ) said some really fucked up things about raping women. After he

got

quoted 1 line called on it he was totally unapologetic, and even more of an

> >>>> called on it he was totally unapologetic, and even more of an

asshole.

quoted 4 lines Then

> >> Then > >>>> to make things even stranger, he starting actually talking about SC, > >> quite > >>>> intelligently. So here we have an asshole that talks the talk that's

on

quoted 39 lines an

> >> an > >>>> esoteric computer music mailing list. I think all of you fan boys > >> should get > >>>> up and send a message to eric_hard_jams@btinternet.com > >>>> > >>>> Oh, yeah, and don't buy any more Aphex records, he's an offensive > >> prick. > >>>> > >>>> -l > >>> > >>> You might as well toss all of your Miles Davis albums. > >>> He was quite a bastard toward women, too. > >>> > >>> Dave Segal > >>> Managing Editor/Alternative Press > >>> Secret Ions on WCSB 89.3FM Thursdays 9-11PM EST [www.wcsb.org] > >>> > >>> np: Salvo Beta- Abrasive Stuttering (SomeOdd Pilot) > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >>> For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> -l[e^2] > >> > >> > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >> For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >> > > > >

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The reason why it's so funny is because people like you guys get offended. Words and jokes are very different from intent and action. You idm list guys are really petty and caddy. That shit about raping women is hilarious. You guys need to get a little more up on your humor (and your music). Something for the hens to cluck about, I reckon. Offensively, Kevy--=

quoted 66 lines From: Lee Azzarello <roswell@alumni.antioch-college.edu>

>From: Lee Azzarello <roswell@alumni.antioch-college.edu> >To: IDM <idm@hyperreal.org> >Subject: Re: [idm] offensive pricks >Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 15:26:39 -0800 > >I wouldn't know, I've never spoken to Miles Davis. > >-l > > >on 1/17/01 5:05 PM, Dave Segal at segal@altpress.com wrote: > > > on 1/17/01 10:33 AM, Lee Azzarello at roswell@alumni.antioch-college.edu > > wrote: > > > >> As a side note. I know Aphex gets wayyyy too much play on this list, >still, > >> so many years after he has publicly declared he's going to stop putting >out > >> records. Well, obviously he still makes music. Rumor has it that he's >on the > >> SuperCollider list. Well, last week this persona (who most have agreed >*is* > >> RDJ) said some really fucked up things about raping women. After he got > >> called on it he was totally unapologetic, and even more of an asshole. >Then > >> to make things even stranger, he starting actually talking about SC, >quite > >> intelligently. So here we have an asshole that talks the talk that's on >an > >> esoteric computer music mailing list. I think all of you fan boys >should get > >> up and send a message to eric_hard_jams@btinternet.com > >> > >> Oh, yeah, and don't buy any more Aphex records, he's an offensive >prick. > >> > >> -l > > > > You might as well toss all of your Miles Davis albums. > > He was quite a bastard toward women, too. > > > > Dave Segal > > Managing Editor/Alternative Press > > Secret Ions on WCSB 89.3FM Thursdays 9-11PM EST [www.wcsb.org] > > > > np: Salvo Beta- Abrasive Stuttering (SomeOdd Pilot) > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > >-l[e^2] > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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On 17 Jan 2001, Trash Records wrote re Re: [idm] offensive pricks:

quoted 2 lines You idm list guys are really petty and caddy. That shit about raping

> You idm list guys are really petty and caddy. That shit about raping > women is hilarious.

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quoted 1 line Before you post anything, you just need to ask yourself "would

>>Before you post anything, you just need to ask yourself "would

I say this in public? Would I say this to another person if they were standing in front of me?" If the answer is no, then you should reconsider posting it to a public forum.ted. This comes with experience, so you just need to spend a little more time online. << all sarcasm intact.....I don't think this philosphy is for everyone. Take myself for example....I am extremely shy in public and have had nary a conversation today....yet I occasionally converse on multiple mailinglists and recieve (some) input from all of you throughout the day.... :) I don't think the same rules apply to all people....although I agree with 90% of your post...particularly the technical aspect....is the IDM-Makers list still alive...if so, subscribe info? please.... ....any Atlanta people around........NO, you're probably all at the Richard Devine cd Jamie np: a 13 minute loop i created within audiomulch tonight.....guitars, granulation, and pulse comb modulation..... enjoying lately: marumari, electric birds, schneider tm, and nav katze (*seefeel remix).....obviously i'm not 'pure idm' am i....but i love those 'derivatives'.....

Before you post anything, you just need to ask yourself "would

quoted 7 lines I say this in public? Would I say this to another person if they were

>I say this in public? Would I say this to another person if they were >standing in front of me?" If the answer is no, then you should reconsider >posting it to a public forum. > >cheers, >Lee >

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raping women is probably the most honorable thing richard does in his spare time. his other hobbies probably include sexual relations with animals.

quoted 10 lines From: "ELEPH ANTE" <drakt@hotmail.com>

>From: "ELEPH ANTE" <drakt@hotmail.com> >To: idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [idm] offensive pricks >Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 22:31:47 -0500 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Originating-IP: [209.214.8.34] >Received: from [209.133.83.16] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id >MHotMailBC2FAF3800AFD821EECBD18553100ECA0; Wed Jan 17 19:34:16 2001 >Received: (qmail 27959 invoked by uid 281); 18 Jan 2001 03:32:14 -0000 >Received: (qmail 27949 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2001 03:32:14 -0000

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quoted 34 lines Mailing-List: contact idm-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm

>Mailing-List: contact idm-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm >Precedence: bulk >X-No-Archive: yes >list-help: <mailto:idm-help@hyperreal.org> >list-unsubscribe: <mailto:idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org> >list-post: <mailto:idm@hyperreal.org> >Delivered-To: mailing list idm@hyperreal.org >Message-ID: <F20BGtWva7DYaOqlOQq00001b7e@hotmail.com> >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jan 2001 03:31:47.0664 (UTC) >FILETIME=[2FFF2500:01C080FF] > >Before you post anything, you just need to ask yourself "would >>I say this in public? Would I say this to another person if they were >>standing in front of me?" If the answer is no, then you should reconsider >>posting it to a public forum. >> >>cheers, >>Lee >> > > > >Wait, so would you have said any of that stuff to Richard's face? > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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on what is all this info of mr. james based on? i mean im not protecting him, but i am curious as to how you would know any of this? is it because he makes weird music, or wird faces, cause thats pretty much all I really know about him.

quoted 9 lines From: "5-me- DMT" <red_shift_x7@hotmail.com>

>From: "5-me- DMT" <red_shift_x7@hotmail.com> >To: drakt@hotmail.com, idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [idm] offensive pricks >Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 04:02:39 -0000 > > >raping women is probably the most honorable thing richard does in his spare >time. his other hobbies probably include sexual relations with animals. >

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quoted 1 line As a side note. I know Aphex gets wayyyy too much play on this list,

>> As a side note. I know Aphex gets wayyyy too much play on this list,

still,

quoted 1 line so many years after he has publicly declared he's going to stop putting

>> so many years after he has publicly declared he's going to stop putting

out

quoted 1 line records. Well, obviously he still makes music. Rumor has it that he's on

>> records. Well, obviously he still makes music. Rumor has it that he's on

the

quoted 1 line SuperCollider list. Well, last week this persona (who most have agreed

>> SuperCollider list. Well, last week this persona (who most have agreed

*is*

quoted 2 lines RDJ) said some really fucked up things about raping women. After he got

>> RDJ) said some really fucked up things about raping women. After he got >> called on it he was totally unapologetic, and even more of an asshole.

Then

quoted 1 line to make things even stranger, he starting actually talking about SC,

>> to make things even stranger, he starting actually talking about SC,

quite

quoted 1 line intelligently. So here we have an asshole that talks the talk that's on

>> intelligently. So here we have an asshole that talks the talk that's on

an

quoted 1 line esoteric computer music mailing list. I think all of you fan boys should

>> esoteric computer music mailing list. I think all of you fan boys should

get

quoted 6 lines up and send a message to eric_hard_jams@btinternet.com

>> up and send a message to eric_hard_jams@btinternet.com >> >> Oh, yeah, and don't buy any more Aphex records, he's an offensive prick. > >You might as well toss all of your Miles Davis albums. >He was quite a bastard toward women, too.

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Yeah, I was. but Lee's right, for those who are reading... peace -petey

quoted 187 lines From: "Pier G Antolini" <antolini@worldnet.att.net>

>From: "Pier G Antolini" <antolini@worldnet.att.net> >Reply-To: <antolini@worldnet.att.net> >To: "Lee Azzarello" <roswell@alumni.antioch-college.edu>, "IDM" ><idm@hyperreal.org> >Subject: Re: [idm] offensive pricks >Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 20:57:41 -0500 > >He was just teasing you lee. >Best. G. >p,s. Miles is still ahead. >yeah iceT was a prick too. >re: ASIO > >---------- > > From: Lee Azzarello <roswell@alumni.antioch-college.edu> > > To: IDM <idm@hyperreal.org> > > Subject: Re: [idm] offensive pricks > > Date: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 8:34 PM > > > > First off, thank you for supporting me. But I'm curious why you think >I'm > > the coolest dude on this list...? I never made such claims. Also, I >think > > you are mistaken about my output of recorded material, I don't have that > > much, but I will let you know as soon as I release something. I am also >a > > fairly new SuperCollider user, and I'm still building my foundation in >OOP. > > These days I much prefer to use MAX/MSP, especially for live >performance. > > The graphical system makes the learning curve much more level. > > > > Lastly, I'm just curious, did you read my original post? From your words > > below it seems like you read the first line and replied shortly >thereafter. > > I sympathize with your insecurities. I too was once intimidated by > > strangers. I don't think you have anything to worry about though, as >most > > people adjust to this kind of social anxiety when they leave their >teenage > > years behind. > > > > I also had a common disorder when I first began using email lists, where >I > > would feel comfortable saying mean and distasteful things since I >couldn't > > actually see the people I was writing to. After a few months, I chilled >out > > a little and became more accustomed to online communication. I then >began >to > > develop meaningful relationships in online forums and not take them for > > granted. This comes with experience, so you just need to spend a little >more > > time online. Before you post anything, you just need to ask yourself >"would > > I say this in public? Would I say this to another person if they were > > standing in front of me?" If the answer is no, then you should >reconsider > > posting it to a public forum. > > > > cheers, > > Lee > > > > on 1/17/01 4:18 PM, peter chavez at dspeter5000@hotmail.com wrote: > > > > >> From: Lee Azzarello <roswell@alumni.antioch-college.edu> > > >> To: IDM <idm@hyperreal.org> > > >> Subject: Re: [idm] offensive pricks > > >> Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 15:26:39 -0800 > > >> > > >> I wouldn't know, I've never spoken to Miles Davis. > > >> > > > > > > Oh, man, you are the coolest dude on this list. I can't believe >you've > > > actually spoken to Richard. My whole life revolves around the day >that >i'll > > > meet him. I bet he burps and farts just like everyone else. > > > > > > With your far reaching connections, and your vast knowledge of Super > > > Collider, you must have some amazing records under your belt. I know >I >sure > > > don't. I'm still a math poser. Maybe one day people like me and Dave >Segal > > > will be half as cool as you. > > > > > > maybe i shouldn't have said all this, it's pretty shitty. I'm sorry >in > > > advance. But it seems to me that you are awfully condescending to the >very > > > people that are supportive of you in the real world. > > > > > > peace, really. > > > > > > -petey > > > > > >> on 1/17/01 5:05 PM, Dave Segal at segal@altpress.com wrote: > > >> > > >>> on 1/17/01 10:33 AM, Lee Azzarello at >roswell@alumni.antioch-college.edu > > >>> wrote: > > >>> > > >>>> As a side note. I know Aphex gets wayyyy too much play on this >list, > > >> still, > > >>>> so many years after he has publicly declared he's going to stop >putting > > >> out > > >>>> records. Well, obviously he still makes music. Rumor has it that >he's > > >> on the > > >>>> SuperCollider list. Well, last week this persona (who most have >agreed > > >> *is* > > >>>> RDJ) said some really fucked up things about raping women. After he >got > > >>>> called on it he was totally unapologetic, and even more of an >asshole. > > >> Then > > >>>> to make things even stranger, he starting actually talking about >SC, > > >> quite > > >>>> intelligently. So here we have an asshole that talks the talk >that's >on > > >> an > > >>>> esoteric computer music mailing list. I think all of you fan boys > > >> should get > > >>>> up and send a message to eric_hard_jams@btinternet.com > > >>>> > > >>>> Oh, yeah, and don't buy any more Aphex records, he's an offensive > > >> prick. > > >>>> > > >>>> -l > > >>> > > >>> You might as well toss all of your Miles Davis albums. > > >>> He was quite a bastard toward women, too. > > >>> > > >>> Dave Segal > > >>> Managing Editor/Alternative Press > > >>> Secret Ions on WCSB 89.3FM Thursdays 9-11PM EST [www.wcsb.org] > > >>> > > >>> np: Salvo Beta- Abrasive Stuttering (SomeOdd Pilot) > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > >>> For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > >>> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> -l[e^2] > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > >> For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > >> > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at >http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > -l[e^2] > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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sorry to chime in, but I feel I must. I would guess that during this recent display of misogyny by many of the male members of this list, for example the comment "gives the hens something to cluck about" which is obviously degrading and invalidating of women's feelings, and in fact implies that women are merely animals rather than human, many of the women here are wondering why they ever subscribed and why they should now stay. I would personally like to register my support for the original poster who felt offended by RDJ's comments and all of the women who find jokes about rape, molestation, sexual assault and violence against women distasteful, offensive and in fact display true hatred of women by the people who make them and laugh at them and then defend them being made in the first place. Now, what would be helpful in determining true responsibility for the offense would be to hear from an impartial witness, exactly what was said, but based on the impression that she got, I would venture that whatever RDJ said, it was out of line and he should have bit his arrogant egotistical tongue. So what I would like to ask, is that people on this list, especially the sexist offensive pricks, keep your comments to the subject of music only, and then maybe there will be some information presented in the list that will provide a good reason for the women here to stick around. That comment about the hens was really the same thing as the old racist jokes likening certain minorities to monkeys etc... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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quoted 3 lines implies that women are merely animals rather than human, many of the

> implies that women are merely animals rather than human, many of the > women here are wondering why they ever subscribed and why they should > now stay. I would personally like to register my support for the

I'm sure that the women list readers will now remain subscribed, thanks to your chivalrous defense of their honor.

quoted 2 lines got, I would venture that whatever RDJ said, it was out of line and he

> got, I would venture that whatever RDJ said, it was out of line and he > should have bit his arrogant egotistical tongue. So what I would like to

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Apologies for continuing this thread, but judging from the amount of personal e-mail/four-letter words that have ended up in my lap since yesterday, I suspect there are many of you out there who completely missed the point of my message. The problem I had with Josh's post is that, while sincere and well-meaning, I found it to be patronizing. By trying to curb the behavior of "many of the male members of this list" in order to "provide a good reason for the women here to stick around," Josh inadvertently puts women into a special, thin-skinned class that needs to be protected from the marauding band of "sexist offensive pricks." Well guess what? Sexism comes in different forms and flavors in our society and the knight-in-shining-armor routine is an example of one of the oldest and most insidious forms around. Hence, I ask all those in high horse cavalcade formation to do a quick check to make sure you're on the right side. -rob slightly on-topic postscript- is all of this United States of America name-checking in the Broadcast thread in reference to Joe Byrd's 60s combo that had tangential relationship to the NY minimalists? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 4 lines raping women is probably the most honorable thing richard does in

>>raping women is probably the most honorable thing richard does in >his spare >time. his other hobbies probably include sexual relations with animals. >

whats wrong with sexual relations with animals, hell, to your dog its just another way of shaking his/her paw, scratching his back and at max he'll forget about it after 6 months not so with a woman (not advocating beastiality, just rationalizing two disturbing ideas, at least to me, you people do what you want, since, with the power of the web, i'll never see you) and if i saw richard james, id kick 'im in the nuts and steal his mac, so id have what ever he was working on(hopefully no kiddy porn, uhh:) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 12 lines You idm list guys are really petty and caddy. That shit about raping

> > You idm list guys are really petty and caddy. That shit about raping > > women is hilarious. > >Hilarious ??? > >I am a woman living in South Africa, where statistically, a woman is >raped every 52 seconds. Around the clock. Every day. > >What's so fucking funny about that? > >I >*

yet again, another foolish boy asumes there are no members of the(ir)opossite sex on this list. women getting raped is in no way funny, while men getting raped, thats another story. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

sometimes i try not to think of this list as a sociological sample. that would depress me. keep your headphones on. a. "Musicians . . . own music because music owns them." Virgil Thomson (1896 - 1989) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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quoted 4 lines who find jokes about rape, molestation, sexual assault and violence

> who find jokes about rape, molestation, sexual assault and violence > against women distasteful, offensive and in fact display true hatred of > women by the people who make them and laugh at them and then defend > being made in the first place.

We have a friend called 'mess', a name well deserved. He is prone to frequent mention of (amongst other things) raping his mother. Sex with dogs and children. "I wonder if they have to pay that nigger to stay inside because he's so black" Now, I'm not exactly 'down' with his style, but the truth is, he doesn't believe what he's saying... he gets a kick out of watching people's reactions, and is more than happy to dish out the same sort of nonsense about himself or any other european male. The truth is, in reality he his one of the most accepting people I know. There is a lot of subtle prejudice, and people can often be sexist or racist because of their upbringing or environment, even though they are good people and aren't really aware of what they're doing. Our friend, for all he says, displays none of this, he gets along with anyone, from any demographic, moreso than anyone else I know. Now, I don't know if RDJ is the same, perhaps he is a complete prick after all, but I've always had a feeling that these two would get along quite well :) Anyway, excusing the lengthy post, I'd have to say, joke or not (and offensive or not, for that matter), if its not music related, then its inappropriate for such lists, and it doesn't really matter whether he's talking about sexual assault or cleaning his car... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

sorry to chime in, but I feel I must. I would guess that during this recent display of misogyny by many of the male members of this list, for example the comment "gives the hens something to cluck about" which is obviously degrading and invalidating of women's feelings, and in fact implies that women are merely animals rather than human, many of the women here are wondering why they ever subscribed and why they should now stay. I would personally like to register my support for the original poster who felt offended by RDJ's comments and all of the women who find jokes about rape, molestation, sexual assault and violence against women distasteful, offensive and in fact display true hatred of women by the people who make them and laugh at them and then defend them being made in the first place. Now, what would be helpful in determining true responsibility for the offense would be to hear from an impartial witness, exactly what was said, but based on the impression that she got, I would venture that whatever RDJ said, it was out of line and he should have bit his arrogant egotistical tongue. So what I would like to ask, is that people on this list, especially the sexist offensive pricks, keep your comments to the subject of music only, and then maybe there will be some information presented in the list that will provide a good reason for the women here to stick around. That comment about the hens was really the same thing as the old racist jokes likening certain minorities to monkeys etc... ------------------------------ i give an amen to that obviously. Certainly the original gossiping about RD James sounded childish, but then when it gets extended to the point of laughing about rape that sucks. philippe ************************************************************** http://www.bip-hop.com unconventional sound adventures, adventurous & creative electronica... ************************************************************** BiP-HOp Generation v.1 [bleep 01] MARUMARI / SCHNEIDER TM / PHONEM / GOEM / ULTRA MILKMAIDS / MASSIMO BiP-HOp Generation v. 2 [bleep 02] AROVANE / BERNARD FLEISCHMANN / WARMDESK / KÖHN / WANG INC. / LAURENT PERNICE Bip-Hop is a label devoted to spread unconventional sound adventures, adventurous & creative electronica... sounds, based on machines, mix, modulations, modifications, sampling, glitches, clicks & cuts... blip... bleep... bip... BiP-HOp Generation ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

I'll just say--this type of humor can be funny (anyone seen the movie Hapiness? (about rape/incest).....or Gummo? about....well...other things),,,,, but it's just not appropriate for a public forum where you don't know the people you are typing to.

quoted 5 lines i give an amen to that obviously. Certainly the original gossiping about

>i give an amen to that obviously. Certainly the original gossiping about >RD James sounded childish, but then when it gets extended to the point >of laughing about rape that sucks. >philippe >**************************************************************

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quoted 2 lines I'll just say--this type of humor can be funny (anyone seen the movie

>I'll just say--this type of humor can be funny (anyone seen the movie >Hapiness? (about rape/incest).....or Gummo? about....well...other

things),,,,, i enjoyed "happiness" regarding the humourous aspect of the subject well i understand that some women might not enjoy the joke that much... philippe ************************************************************** http://www.bip-hop.com unconventional sound adventures, adventurous & creative electronica... ************************************************************** BiP-HOp Generation v.1 [bleep 01] MARUMARI / SCHNEIDER TM / PHONEM / GOEM / ULTRA MILKMAIDS / MASSIMO BiP-HOp Generation v. 2 [bleep 02] AROVANE / BERNARD FLEISCHMANN / WARMDESK / KÖHN / WANG INC. / LAURENT PERNICE Bip-Hop is a label devoted to spread unconventional sound adventures, adventurous & creative electronica... sounds, based on machines, mix, modulations, modifications, sampling, glitches, clicks & cuts... blip... bleep... bip... BiP-HOp Generation ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org