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RE: [idm] IDM is predictable too

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2000-11-15 19:40Chris Fahey RE: [idm] IDM is predictable too
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2000-11-15 22:42Gause, Brian RE: [idm] IDM is predictable too
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2000-11-15 19:40Chris Fahey> The simple fact is, house is predictable Ha! And IDM isn't? After 7 years of listening t
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quoted 1 line The simple fact is, house is predictable> The simple fact is, house is predictable
Ha! And IDM isn't? After 7 years of listening to this IDM stuff, it's really all starting to sound, to me, about as generally homogenous and unintelligent as any other genre. There are fucking amazing standouts and there's lots of innovative, groundbreaking stuff out there of course, but in general the DSP trickery and deconstructed d&b and too-much-percussion-in-a-measure stuff is getting pretty old and 9 times out of 10 the latest IDM release is eminently "predictable". The reason why IDM people often say they don't like house is that they usually have never EVER heard anything but mainstream, pop house. House, like IDM, drum and bass, soul, bluegrass, jazz, etc, is a rich, diverse genre with a long history full of some intelligent innovative music and lots of stupid derivative music - to generalize it in any way is simply ignorant (and in many cases it belies an underlying racism and homophobia, but let's not get into that, shall we?) Besides, all the IDM shows I've ever been to have been *full* of cute people with nice stylish clothes, although generally skinnier and more myopic than most crowds. ;) - Cf NP: Sister Sledge - "He's the Greatest Dancer" (Sister Sledge sings with Nile Rogers&Chic doing the music - unbefuckinglievable!) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-11-16 17:17Irene McC> NP: Sister Sledge - "He's the Greatest Dancer" > (Sister Sledge sings with Nile Rogers&C
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quoted 3 lines NP: Sister Sledge - "He's the Greatest Dancer"> NP: Sister Sledge - "He's the Greatest Dancer" > (Sister Sledge sings with Nile Rogers&Chic doing the music - > unbefuckinglievable!)
Oh COO-WAAL. Are we now all going to state our most outlandish un-IDM'est "np"s just to prove how broad-minded we are? I * np : Brahms Requiem - No, REALLY! (and I know someone around here will believe me) Hee hee - Matthew Herbert is playing Cape Town tomorrow night !! Who would have thought... and Richard Dorfmeister next Friday. Bye bye - I * --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-11-15 22:20ff ghaha --- Chris Fahey <Chris.Fahey@raremedium.com> wrote: > > > Besides, all the IDM shows
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haha --- Chris Fahey <Chris.Fahey@raremedium.com> wrote:
quoted 6 lines Besides, all the IDM shows I've ever been to have> > > Besides, all the IDM shows I've ever been to have > been *full* of cute > people with nice stylish clothes, although generally > skinnier and more > myopic than most crowds. ;)
haha...i must say that idm show people are tight assed and wack...so fuckin stuck up most of the time
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2000-11-15 22:42Gause, BrianOne of the things I've noticed is that a lot of people like to use "house" as a catch-all
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One of the things I've noticed is that a lot of people like to use "house" as a catch-all for that strain of mindless dance music they don't like, whatever it is. I used to say I didn't like house, but after hearing some really good deep house, I've changed my tune. I haven't explored it much because I still believe that house works better in a dancing environment (and because, honestly, I still get a headache from a lot of pounding 4/4). IDM CAN BE predictable. This is true. And just as you said, there are standouts...but in everything, there are standouts. In truth, IDM is no better than house or trance or ska or punk or jazz. These are only flavors of sound and I'm not ready to say that sound can be inherintly good or bad. Every genre has good and bad, every genre has moments of genius and valleys or nothingness. Such is life. When generalization leads to judgment, it turns sour and becomes dangerous. Tolerance is a good thing. ---brian ------------------------ Brian W. Gause Senior Technical Writer SECTORBASE.com 568 Howard Street First Floor San Francisco, CA 94105 Direct: (415) 365-8203 Fax: (415) 365-8263 -----Original Message----- From: Chris Fahey [mailto:Chris.Fahey@raremedium.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 11:40 AM To: IDM (E-mail) Subject: RE: [idm] IDM is predictable too
quoted 1 line The simple fact is, house is predictable> The simple fact is, house is predictable
Ha! And IDM isn't? After 7 years of listening to this IDM stuff, it's really all starting to sound, to me, about as generally homogenous and unintelligent as any other genre. There are fucking amazing standouts and there's lots of innovative, groundbreaking stuff out there of course, but in general the DSP trickery and deconstructed d&b and too-much-percussion-in-a-measure stuff is getting pretty old and 9 times out of 10 the latest IDM release is eminently "predictable". The reason why IDM people often say they don't like house is that they usually have never EVER heard anything but mainstream, pop house. House, like IDM, drum and bass, soul, bluegrass, jazz, etc, is a rich, diverse genre with a long history full of some intelligent innovative music and lots of stupid derivative music - to generalize it in any way is simply ignorant (and in many cases it belies an underlying racism and homophobia, but let's not get into that, shall we?) Besides, all the IDM shows I've ever been to have been *full* of cute people with nice stylish clothes, although generally skinnier and more myopic than most crowds. ;) - Cf NP: Sister Sledge - "He's the Greatest Dancer" (Sister Sledge sings with Nile Rogers&Chic doing the music - unbefuckinglievable!) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org