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yeah, i'll go with that. although his songs don't really keep me listening. take drum n bass for papa. The first two songs are wicked, then it seems to go down hill after that. my 2 cents anyway! --- Matthew Guest <mguest@alphagraphics.com> wrote: > I've always thought Mistra Luke Vibert was quite

quoted 8 lines clever with his sampling.

> clever with his sampling. > (in anything he does, really) > any takers? > > -matT > > >

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On 19/10/00 10:04, Ben Hatchelt said in living color:

quoted 4 lines yeah, i'll go with that.

> yeah, i'll go with that. > although his songs don't really keep me listening. > take drum n bass for papa. The first two songs are > wicked, then it seems to go down hill after that.

I have to agree with the above paragraph. A strange coincidence... it so happens that I put on this record today, before reading this post. I now remember why I very rarely play it. Is his stuff as Wagon Christ different (read: better)? g. -- Guillaume Grenier - gollum@videotron.ca in space there is no north in space there is no south in space there is no east in space there is no west --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

I have to disagree with the below paragraphs: That CD is fantastic and really engaging paying you back with listening pleasure for every track you hear. I love them all and cannot listen to it in parts - only entire CD. btw it is much better than all Wagon Christs together Alien On 19/10/00 10:04, Ben Hatchelt said in living color:

quoted 4 lines yeah, i'll go with that.

> yeah, i'll go with that. > although his songs don't really keep me listening. > take drum n bass for papa. The first two songs are > wicked, then it seems to go down hill after that.

I have to agree with the above paragraph. A strange coincidence... it so happens that I put on this record today, before reading this post. I now remember why I very rarely play it. Is his stuff as Wagon Christ different (read: better)? g. -- Guillaume Grenier - gollum@videotron.ca in space there is no north in space there is no south in space there is no east in space there is no west --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On 19 Oct 2000, Guillaume Grenier wrote re Re: [idm] Best sample you've ever h:

quoted 1 line Is his stuff as Wagon Christ different (read: better)?

> Is his stuff as Wagon Christ different (read: better)?

Yes ! It's excellent. Luke Vibert has many varied styles - D&B for Papa (done under his "Plug" guise) was a moment in time - now passed. Try his much older Throbbing Pouch on Rising High for a more IDMmy touch or '98's Tally Ho! album for some non-serious good time fun or how about his most recent outing collab'ing with BJ Cole on "Stop the Panic". As Luke Vibert he did the excellent Big Soup for Mo'Wax in '97. They're all different and all good in their own way. Of all his output, D&B for Papa is the one I'm most bored by - just too much of the same thing. In isolation the tracks are brilliant, but over 2 CD's they drill holes in my head. Also worth finding are his remixes - some stunning stuff. Sorry - I'm multi-tasking and my brain's not quite in gear. If any of the above doesn't make sense, apoligies all round. I * --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Just noticed on http://brainwashed.com/releases/ Warp is going to release subj on CDEP. Great! Another gem in collection. btw. I highly anticipate two new long plays from Metamatics and 2CD set Snow Robots by Suction (they decided to make 2CD which I salute) and new Arovane is highly expected as well. 8) Alien np. Herbalizer Band - Session One --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On Fri, 20 Oct 2000, Konstantin Minko wrote: | ... | btw. I highly anticipate two new long plays from Metamatics and 2CD set Snow | ... Metamatics upcoming release on Dot - Midnight Sun Pig is ace! Maybe not as weird as some of the other stuff he has put out this year, but some lovely bleepy melodies over kinda funky grooves! Yummy! MVH Magnus Karlsson <e96maka@stud.hh.se> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

At 12:42 PM 10/20/2000 +0300, Konstantin Minko wrote:

quoted 2 lines Just noticed on

>Just noticed on http://brainwashed.com/releases/ Warp is going to release >subj on CDEP. Great! Another gem in collection.

let's just hope this doesn't go the way of those purported "vinyl represses".. heh heh heh this is something i actually want, since most of the mp3's are pretty low quality and chop the first song in half. cheers, /derek --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 3 lines this is something i actually want, since most of the

>this is something i actually want, since most of the >mp3's are pretty low quality and chop the first song >in half.

Doesn't change the fact that the music sucks. What is up with Autechre anyway? It's like they totally ran out of ideas after Chiastic Slide. With the exception of a couple awesome tracks (corc and outpt), the last two major releases have been really boring, tedious affairs. I guess they're like most bands of that caliber. They have a few amazing years (1993-96?) and then lose the edge they once had...and finally get surpassed by newer artists. Any ideas? forcasa __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Hi everyone, i follow you on this one Matt. EP 7 has awesome tracks, and i like the way their sound evolved (that audible noise, as it was done on a 4 track recorder, and the use of blank noise). I think he Gescom remix of Hecker on Mego is really great too. -emmanuel --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

X F wrote:

quoted 5 lines What is up with Autechre

> What is up with Autechre > anyway? > I guess they're like most bands of that caliber. They have a few amazing years > (1993-96?) and then lose the edge they once had...and finally get surpassed by > newer artists. Any ideas?

Change, that's what's up. It's not '96 anymore. I totally respect them for constantly evolving and trying out new things and actually challenging their listeners. Do you want them to go on forever giving you 2 note melodies coupled with crunchy beats ? You've got a whole slew of copycats out there still doing that. I still can't believe people think Ae peaked with their pre-Tri-Repetae work. It confounds me when people who claim to listen "experimental" electronic music have such negative reactions to Autechre's post-Chiastic Slide work. I think they really are making "intelligent" music now.

quoted 3 lines It's like they totally ran out of ideas after Chiastic Slide.

> It's like they totally ran out of ideas after Chiastic Slide. > With the exception of a couple awesome tracks (corc and outpt), the last > two major releases have been really boring, tedious affairs.

I bet you equate "ideas" with those simple, melancholy melodies that used to be prominent in Ae's music. Andrei --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On Sun, 22 Oct 2000 andrei@world.std.com wrote:

quoted 1 line X F wrote:

> X F wrote:

quoted 8 lines It's like they totally ran out of ideas after Chiastic Slide.

> > It's like they totally ran out of ideas after Chiastic Slide. > > With the exception of a couple awesome tracks (corc and outpt), the last > > two major releases have been really boring, tedious affairs. > > I bet you equate "ideas" with those simple, melancholy melodies that used > to be prominent in Ae's music. > > Andrei

yeah.. i really do not get the post from X F ... it just baffles me that even if someone thinks the output from AE sucks, they would claim the band is out of "ideas". that means that if i listen to ep7/lp5, i should be hearing the same stuff i heard on every album before (or from a ton of other bands).. and judging by the reactions of people on this list (good and bad), my ears, my friends' ears X F, ect... that is certainly not the case. happy sunday, chris. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 1 line It confounds me when people who claim to listen "experimental" electronic

> It confounds me when people who claim to listen "experimental" electronic

music have

quoted 1 line such negative reactions to Autechre's post-Chiastic Slide work. I think

> such negative reactions to Autechre's post-Chiastic Slide work. I think

they really

quoted 1 line are making "intelligent" music now.

> are making "intelligent" music now.

don't get me wrong, i'm a huge autechre supporter, but what exactly makes you think the clinical hammering of beats and smuggled away tiny melodies are intelligent? i think post-lp5 stuff got more and more less "intelligent" because of the almost complete dissapearance of melody, lack of general complexity and drawn out ideas. i don't claim i do not like what they're doing now, but i see it as less challenging and quite predictable to listen to their new tracks (it's good to blow stereos and shock people or just to get decapitated by furious headbanging) and i'm actually sure their newest stuff will be way more "intelligent", -if you mind calling it like that- because they will definately give it this ae touch, later, which used to make life so good. reim --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

i agree. nothing past lp5 seems to hold my interest for very long. guess it's a good thing they're not only making music for me, eh? a. .. -----Original Message----- .. From: reim [mailto:reimie@bigfoot.com] .. Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2000 2:27 PM .. To: andrei@world.std.com .. Cc: ignorant dance music .. Subject: Re: [idm] Re: Ae Peel Session 2 .. .. .. > It confounds me when people who claim to listen "experimental" .. electronic .. music have .. > such negative reactions to Autechre's post-Chiastic Slide work. I think .. they really .. > are making "intelligent" music now. .. .. don't get me wrong, i'm a huge autechre supporter, but what exactly makes .. you think the clinical hammering of beats and smuggled away tiny melodies .. are intelligent? i think post-lp5 stuff got more and more less .. "intelligent" .. because of the almost complete dissapearance of melody, lack of general .. complexity and drawn out ideas. .. .. i don't claim i do not like what they're doing now, but i see it as less .. challenging and quite predictable to listen to their new tracks .. (it's good .. to blow stereos and shock people or just to get decapitated by furious .. headbanging) and i'm actually sure their newest stuff will be way more .. "intelligent", -if you mind calling it like that- because they will .. definately give it this ae touch, later, which used to make life so good. .. .. reim .. .. .. --------------------------------------------------------------------- .. To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org .. For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org .. .. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 1 line I think they really are making "intelligent" music now.

> I think they really are making "intelligent" music now.

anyway...... music is sound that a person likes. the person's intelligence is no more important than the size of their ears. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

reim wrote:

quoted 9 lines It confounds me when people who claim to listen "experimental" electronic music

> > It confounds me when people who claim to listen "experimental" electronic music > have > > such negative reactions to Autechre's post-Chiastic Slide work. I think they > really > > are making "intelligent" music now. > > don't get me wrong, i'm a huge autechre supporter, but what exactly makes > you think the clinical hammering of beats and smuggled away tiny melodies are > intelligent?

Well, I was using "intelligent" apropos to the IDM tag, but seriously the newer stuff just sounds more advanced/complex and experimental than their earlier work. I just think their more recent work sounds less like kiddie music.

quoted 2 lines i think post-lp5 stuff got more and more less "intelligent" because of the almos

> i think post-lp5 stuff got more and more less "intelligent" because of the almost > complete dissapearance of melody,

And I may ask you why the lack of typical melodies makes the music less "intelligent" ? Some of the most anally intellectual music ever composed is quite devoid of melody.

quoted 1 line lack of general complexity

> lack of general complexity

I disagree. I think Ae's post-Chiastic Slide work is more complex both timbrally and programming wise. There's no doubt in my mind about that.

quoted 1 line and drawn out ideas.

> and drawn out ideas.

Welcome to IDM.

quoted 3 lines i'm actually sure their newest stuff will be way more

> i'm actually sure their newest stuff will be way more > "intelligent", -if you mind calling it like that- because they will > definately give it this ae touch, later, which used to make life so good.

What does that mean ? I hate to disappoint you, but the upcoming Peel Session tracks (which were recorded on 8/99) are in the vein of "EP7". Try to give their recent work another listen without expecting to hear what they used to do 5 years ago or whatever. You know, I bought LP5 when it came out and only listened to it a couple of times and didn't like it much, but recently I went back to it and now I think it's really good. A similar thing happened with EP7. Andrei --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

People who dismiss LP5/EP7 as "garbage" are people whose musical opinions I feel I can safely ignore. Nothing personal -- you're all fine people, I'm sure -- but we're pursuing different musical ends. (And it goes without saying that you should probably ignore my opinion, too.) -Ed --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 7 lines It's like they totally ran out of ideas after

>> It's like they totally ran out of ideas after >>Chiastic Slide. >> With the exception of a couple awesome tracks (corc >>and outpt), the last two major releases have been >>really boring, tedious affairs. > >I bet you equate "ideas" with those simple,

melancholy >melodies that used to be prominent in Ae's music.

quoted 2 lines Andrei

> >Andrei

As a matter of fact, you're right. But I digress. This is totally a matter of opinion. If you like their newer stuff better, that's cool. I hope they keep putting out records. But I also hope they find a sound that's a little more memorable. Each song on Tri Repetae has its own character and style. Tracks on the new albums (especially EP7) all sound the same to me. I guess they're alright to listen to, but I usually take the cd out after about the eighth or ninth track because it's so damn boring and directionless. They've certainly proven they're influential. There ARE a lot of bands who copy their older sound. But I've heard very little imitation of LP5 or EP7. forcasa __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

{{{5x}}} wrote:

quoted 6 lines There ARE a lot of bands who copy their older sound. But

> > There ARE a lot of bands who copy their older sound. But > > I've heard very little imitation of LP5 or EP7. > > <smartass remark> > it's because they can't > </smartass remark>

You're absolutely right, not smartazz at all. But you know we'll probably start hearing imitations in like 5 years from now when every joe shmoe has finally figured out Max/MSP or finally saved up enough to get a Kyma system or whatever. Andrei --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 2 lines There ARE a lot of bands who copy their older sound. But

> There ARE a lot of bands who copy their older sound. But > I've heard very little imitation of LP5 or EP7.

<smartass remark> it's because they can't </smartass remark> =O) -- {{{5x}}} clicking faders so you don't have to --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org