quoted 7 lines From: Nate <nate@toshoklabs.com>
>From: Nate <nate@toshoklabs.com>
>
> a couple of things in support Atomly's point:
>
>1. A *lot* of laptop performances are not fake. A G3 with a MIDI fader >box
>(like the peavey) will do wonders for on the fly knob twiddling. >Can
>anyone say Pluggo's MIDI to modulation?Fun fun fun!
I would guess that there are way more people using their laptop to create
"fake" live sets, then people that are trying to be "live".
quoted 4 lines 2. To tell you the truth, and I could be totally alone on this, is >that I
>2. To tell you the truth, and I could be totally alone on this, is >that I
>don't really care if the set is presequenced. A lot of the >music we all
>love (Funkstroung and Ae are but 2 of many) is the result >of laborious and
>anal studio editing.
Then maybe some artists shouldn't try to do live period. Some people have
gotten upset in the past about people just playing DATs, well the way the
laptop is often used it isn't much different.
quoted 3 lines Improvised stuff is cool, and any person who can carry a vibe for 1+
>Improvised stuff is cool, and any person who can carry a vibe for 1+
>hours this way gets props but it runs the risk of turning into
> >directionless noodling.
I know many people that can easily to a 1+ hour live set and keep the vibe.
quoted 4 lines I have seen Ae play, they were pretty wicked, but the stuff was >nowhere
>I have seen Ae play, they were pretty wicked, but the stuff was >nowhere
>near as dialed as they usually are (for reasons stated above). >And I have
>heard enough bootleg live Ae stuff to think the time I saw >them was not a
>fluke.
I've seen them before and I enjoyed it.
quoted 2 lines I saw Jake Mandell a couple weeks back and being a big fan I was >dismayed
>I saw Jake Mandell a couple weeks back and being a big fan I was >dismayed
>to hear what I considered a meandering an ultimatley boring >set.
That's exactly what I would have expected from him. I never been that
impressed with any of his releases.
quoted 4 lines I have also seen Richard Devine play a few times and I couldn't tell >if it
>I have also seen Richard Devine play a few times and I couldn't tell >if it
>was premade or on the fly. I suspect somewhere in the middle. >But is was
>really gnarly. Total aggressive dancefloor abstractions. He >had the place
>rocking.
I've seen him twice and he rocked.
quoted 5 lines I mean sure one should give the artist some leaway (sp) in this >regard,
>I mean sure one should give the artist some leaway (sp) in this >regard,
>and I don't mean to discount anyone's efforts no matter what >process they
>choose, but who's kidding who, no matter what 'serious >face' they are
>pulling off we know there is the potential for it to be
>purely pre-made. And I don't mind.
I would rather see someone play on their Pocket Calculator then click a
mouse. At least that way you know they played it.
quoted 2 lines I think we have to get rid of this whole rocknroll paradigm of >standing in
>I think we have to get rid of this whole rocknroll paradigm of >standing in
>front of the stage staring at someone altogether...
Perhaps the laptoppers shouldn't play out in front of people, and just pump
their "live sets" on the net. That's more idm anyways isn't it.
Here's the formula for many of the idm shows I have seen.
IDM shows = weak sound + no visual appeal + often non-live sets + plus
little to no women.
The whole rocknroll paradigm doesn't seem to bad now that I think of it.
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