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In a message dated 8/26/00 3:44:49 PM, DavidASim@aol.com writes: << I'm trying to find a list that discusses deep, dubby techno to a greater extent >> What's dubby techno? mediadrome --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

it's usually slower, 85-100bpm's with very "thick" atmosphere, much use of reverbs...alot of this sound is coming out of germany, the basic channel/chain reaction label's and artists such as maurizio and the modernist are the prime movers in this sound. this is of course not a complete genre list by any means, but it is definately worth checking out... greg

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>From: Mediadrome@aol.com >To: DavidASim@aol.com, idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [idm] techno >Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 17:20:05 EDT > > >In a message dated 8/26/00 3:44:49 PM, DavidASim@aol.com writes: > ><< I'm trying to find a list that discusses deep, dubby techno to a greater >extent >> > >What's dubby techno? > >mediadrome > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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and i was thinking it was simply 'electronic' music

quoted 2 lines Techno is the master genre. It defines the category of electric music >we

>Techno is the master genre. It defines the category of electric music >we >listen to.

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i think these genre classification things are regional. In Britain, or at least with people i know, everything started out as techno. Warp was the first label diverging from the more mainstream with things like LFO and Nightmares on Wax, but it was all still techno. to me it just comes from'technological music' which is simply electronic music. Later with so many sub genres forming, the umbrella term techno became subverted to refer to a sub-genre as well. Terms and names change as time moves on and some people hold onto the old meaning whereas other people take the new meaning. In the States, even though Detroit Techno was one of the forerunners and the disco/garage scene from NY, techno in one form was created and named from the late 80's/early 90's British Rave scene, which didn't seem to come back to the states again until a few years later and by that time it was already splintered and arriving under different names and guises. Garage music is another example of this, which to me is old Masters at Work and that New York sound that came from disco music and the whole Larry Levan type scene, whereas now it gets used to refer to the UK 2 Step stuff. i dislike genre definitions, and getting dragged into debates on them, it's all just music, and the people making it don't say 'well i'm gonna make an electronica track today, but maybe this afternoon i'll make half-fat-double-decaf-tech-house track' -thor On Tue, 19 Mar 2002, nlo gax wrote:

quoted 16 lines and i was thinking it was simply 'electronic' music

> and i was thinking it was simply 'electronic' music > > > >Techno is the master genre. It defines the category of electric music >we > >listen to. > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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quoted 4 lines i think these genre classification things are regional.

> > i think these genre classification things are regional. > In Britain, or at least with people i know, everything started out as > techno.

I've noticed that people in the midwestern U.S. get mixed up and think that techno = melodic trance. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: chthonic streams <chthonic@chthonicstreams.com> Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 13:55:14 -0400

quoted 20 lines i thought i'd chime in with some recommendations of CD's i didn't

>i thought i'd chime in with some recommendations of CD's i didn't >know i'd ever like. the reason is that both CDs seem to be >influenced by house, which is not a genre i have any interest in. >however, like jungle or breakbeat, i found that it has been an >influence on some artists who've taken it in an unexpected direction >to the point where it's no longer what it was. > >the first CD is 'ion' by theorem. i bought this at a place formerly >called "house of trance" in the east village of nyc, and my friend >and i were looking for anything dark. 3 years later, this is the >only CD that has survived that passing interest in dark trance. the >cover attracted me right away, reminiscent of new order and joy >division with its clean, minimal design, muted colors, and short, >enigmatic track titles. this is closer to what i imagine is deep >house, at least it sounds deep to me. solid 4/4 electronic kick >drums thudding away, with ultra-minimal 303-ish basslines, and >intermittent muddy synth stabs with tons of reverb on them. that's >pretty much it, though other little hi-hat interludes and synth >countermelodies pop in and out. quite mellow, good to chill out to >without falling asleep, or any other low-light activities.

just for a little clarification, theorem produced (still produces?) techno / minimal tech. and if you wanna hear deep house, go to dylandrazen.com or sunday-sessions.com and listen to the house mixes. if you like theorem, you might want to try other labels that release "deep" minimal techno like chain reaction / basic channel, force, background, minus, and so on. peace! sean _______________________________________________________________________ Sent via Pace University's WebMail system at stmail.pace.edu --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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quoted 3 lines if you like theorem, you might want to try other labels that release

>if you like theorem, you might want to try other labels that release >"deep" minimal techno like chain reaction / basic channel, force, >background, minus, and so on.

thanks. as a genre, i'm highly uninterested in house (the steady 909 and 303, the latin pianos, the syncopated chord stabs, the wailing divas) or even techno variants on house. however, i have to admit that there were a few things similar to theorem i must have heard when dragged to some clubs awhile back. when i saw underworld at field day this past june, some of their songs vaguely resembled what i mean. i can do without the vocals though. there's also a few old acid-like tracks that i kind of liked. synth hooks really similar to 808 state's "cubik", but i could never find out what they were. they were probably white-labels but they must have eventually made it onto CD somewhere. oh, and i think the first lords of acid CD is hilarious. d. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

There is lots of good stuff like this (minamal/deep/dubby/un-cheesy/no-vocal/techno/house) on the mp3 label Thinner - http://thinnerism.com/ although i wouldn't bother with their latest release by krill.minima on 9/13/03 12:28 PM, Sean at sm66220n@stmail.pace.edu wrote:

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> ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: chthonic streams <chthonic@chthonicstreams.com> > Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 13:55:14 -0400 > >> i thought i'd chime in with some recommendations of CD's i didn't >> know i'd ever like. the reason is that both CDs seem to be >> influenced by house, which is not a genre i have any interest in. >> however, like jungle or breakbeat, i found that it has been an >> influence on some artists who've taken it in an unexpected direction >> to the point where it's no longer what it was. >> >> the first CD is 'ion' by theorem...this is closer to what i imagine is deep >> house, at least it sounds deep to me. solid 4/4 electronic kick >> drums thudding away, with ultra-minimal 303-ish basslines, and >> intermittent muddy synth stabs with tons of reverb on them. that's >> pretty much it, though other little hi-hat interludes and synth >> countermelodies pop in and out. quite mellow, good to chill out to >> without falling asleep, or any other low-light activities. > > just for a little clarification, theorem produced (still produces?) techno / > minimal tech. and if you wanna hear deep house, go to dylandrazen.com or > sunday-sessions.com and listen to the house mixes. > > if you like theorem, you might want to try other labels that release "deep" > minimal techno like chain reaction / basic channel, force, background, minus, > and so on. > > peace! > sean > > _______________________________________________________________________

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quoted 3 lines thanks. as a genre, i'm highly uninterested in house (the steady 909

> thanks. as a genre, i'm highly uninterested in house (the steady 909 > and 303, the latin pianos, the syncopated chord stabs, the wailing > divas) or even techno variants on house.

Well, uh, your loss. There's a ton of exciting, high quality house - say, for example Herbert, Luomo, Akufen, Farben, The Soft Pink Truth etc etc etc. You might also want to consider loosening up your house-stereotypes, there are many, many different ways of doing house... .: visa tapani --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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quoted 8 lines thanks. as a genre, i'm highly uninterested in house (the steady 909

> > thanks. as a genre, i'm highly uninterested in house (the steady 909 >> and 303, the latin pianos, the syncopated chord stabs, the wailing >> divas) or even techno variants on house. > >Well, uh, your loss. There's a ton of exciting, high quality house - say, >for example Herbert, Luomo, Akufen, Farben, The Soft Pink Truth etc etc etc. >You might also want to consider loosening up your house-stereotypes, there >are many, many different ways of doing house...

i'm always open to new (or new to me) things that are good. it's just that every place i've ever been to that plays house pretty much stays within the parameters i mentioned, and while that may have been novel to me in 1990, it's not now. if you know where there's a load of sound clips of these other, better variants i can check out, please post. d. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

funny, even Thomas Brinkman can be called house producer, like in Soul Center. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

House is as varied as Chris Gray, The Perlon label, Hakan Lidbo - heck, the whole Basic Channel sound has been nicknamed "heroin house". Depends on where your ears are, but along those lines it can be heard in a lot of the German stuffs which can be defined along minimal house/techno lines. To dis house generally can be seen to dismiss the likes of Kompakt, etc. Many people would argue that handbag house is not at all an accurate representation of house any more than Moby is an accurate representation of techno. jeff

quoted 3 lines thanks. as a genre, i'm highly uninterested in house (the steady 909

>> > thanks. as a genre, i'm highly uninterested in house (the steady 909 >>> and 303, the latin pianos, the syncopated chord stabs, the wailing >>> divas) or even techno variants on house...

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quoted 4 lines Well, uh, your loss. There's a ton of exciting, high quality house - say,

>>Well, uh, your loss. There's a ton of exciting, high quality house - say, >>for example Herbert, Luomo, Akufen, Farben, The Soft Pink Truth etc etc etc. >>You might also want to consider loosening up your house-stereotypes, there >>are many, many different ways of doing house...

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quoted 1 line The REAL Mxyzptlk <therealmxyzptlk@comcast.net> wrote::

>The REAL Mxyzptlk <therealmxyzptlk@comcast.net> wrote::

quoted 9 lines House is as varied as Chris Gray, The Perlon label, Hakan Lidbo -

>House is as varied as Chris Gray, The Perlon label, Hakan Lidbo - >heck, the whole Basic Channel sound has been nicknamed "heroin >house". >Depends on where your ears are, but along those lines it can be >heard in a lot of the German stuffs which can be defined along >minimal house/techno lines. To dis house generally can be seen to >dismiss the likes of Kompakt, etc. Many people would argue that >handbag house is not at all an accurate representation of house any >more than Moby is an accurate representation of techno.

funny, i know moby is considered the mainstream end of techno, but i hear just as much house (of the style i mentioned) in his music - more organic samples, etc. as far as genre sterotypes, you have to understand that anyone outside any given genre hears those first. i could just as easily describe goth as minor-key, bassline-driven, midtempo guitar-rock with deep male or shrieky female vocals singing about various aspects of darkness. unfortunately, i've been there and done that, and a lot of people see, to want that rigid definition to stick. and so, any number of only vaguely related dark music genres have sprung up...yet to the casual observer, marilyn manson, the cure, death in june, evanescence, and the soundtrack of bram stoker's dracula are all goth. you've heard the saying that there are only two types of music - good and bad. even that simple distinction is obviously subjective, but it starts getting to the fact that enjoying music can often cut across the distinctions between different styles. i wasn't trying to trash house as a genre, only pointing out that my experience of it has been what i described. if i can get into theorem, deadbeat, lords of acid, and some anonymous white-labels here and there, there may be more out there i could also enjoy. i just haven't heard it yet. d. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org