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2000-07-28 18:16carlos kok [idm] some gnutella words on napster
└─ 2000-07-28 22:16Wendy K [idm] some gnutella words on napster
2000-07-28 18:24DJ Justes Re: [idm] some gnutella words on napster
2000-07-29 00:25Scott boy Re: [idm] some gnutella words on napster
2000-07-29 00:27mr o Re: [idm] some gnutella words on napster
2000-07-29 00:32mr o Re: [idm] some gnutella words on napster
2000-07-29 01:55Jeff Waye/Ninja Tune Re: [idm] some gnutella words on napster
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2000-07-28 18:16carlos kokI was in the pub last night, and a guy asked me for a light for his cigarette. I suddenly
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I was in the pub last night, and a guy asked me for a light for his cigarette. I suddenly realised that there was a demand here and money to be made, and so I agreed to light his cigarette for 10 pence, but I didn't actually give him a light, I sold him a license to burn his cigarette. My fire-license restricted him from giving the light to anybody else, after all, that fire was my property. He was drunk, and dismissing me as a loony, but accepted my fire (and by implication the licence which governed its use) anyway. Of course in a matter of minutes I noticed a friend of his asking him for a light and to my outrage he gave his cigarette to his friend and pirated my fire! I was furious, I started to make my way over to that side of the bar but to my added horror his friend then started to light other people's cigarettes left, right, and centre! Before long that whole side of the bar was enjoying MY fire without paying me anything. Enraged I went from person to person grabbing their cigarettes from their hands, throwing them to the ground, and stamping on them. Strangely the door staff exhibited no respect for my property rights as they threw me out the door. --Ian Clarke --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-07-28 22:16Wendy KThere is a flaw in the logic of this. Giving someone a light is a service. Unless you actu
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There is a flaw in the logic of this. Giving someone a light is a service. Unless you actually invented/ created fire and or the match. Creating music is not a service. People who create art, music, whatever should have the right to do what they want with it; some choose to mortgage their house (ie big advances, major labels); others choose to share it with their friends; others choose to share it with friends who will agree to split whatever profit they both make; and others (like myself) choose to keep their creations private and not get entangled with lighting anyone's fire (or cigarette) http://www.thetruth.com
quoted 20 lines I was in the pub last night, and a guy asked me for a light for his>I was in the pub last night, and a guy asked me for a light for his >cigarette. I suddenly realised that there was a demand here and money to be >made, and so I agreed to light his cigarette for 10 pence, but I didn't >actually give him a light, I sold him a license to burn his cigarette. My >fire-license restricted him from giving the light to anybody else, after >all, that fire was my property. He was drunk, and dismissing me as a loony, >but accepted my fire (and by implication the licence which governed its >use) anyway. Of course in a matter of minutes I noticed a friend of his >asking him for a light and to my outrage he gave his cigarette to his >friend and pirated my fire! I was furious, I started to make my way over to >that side of the bar but to my added horror his friend then started to >light other people's cigarettes left, right, and centre! Before long that >whole side of the bar was enjoying MY fire without paying me anything. >Enraged I went from person to person grabbing their cigarettes from their >hands, throwing them to the ground, and stamping on them. > >Strangely the door staff exhibited no respect for my property rights as >they threw me out the door. > >--Ian Clarke
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2000-07-28 18:24DJ Justesor you could just go to http://www.gnutella.org justes -- / http://www.staticbeats.com / M
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or you could just go to http://www.gnutella.org justes -- / http://www.staticbeats.com / Music for the Mind | Music for the Soul \ Ambient | Techno | Jungle | Electronica \ Live Streaming M-F 10am - 8pm \ Real Audio Archives 1995 - 2000 carlos kok wrote:
quoted 24 lines I was in the pub last night, and a guy asked me for a light for his> I was in the pub last night, and a guy asked me for a light for his > cigarette. I suddenly realised that there was a demand here and money to be > made, and so I agreed to light his cigarette for 10 pence, but I didn't > actually give him a light, I sold him a license to burn his cigarette. My > fire-license restricted him from giving the light to anybody else, after > all, that fire was my property. He was drunk, and dismissing me as a loony, > but accepted my fire (and by implication the licence which governed its > use) anyway. Of course in a matter of minutes I noticed a friend of his > asking him for a light and to my outrage he gave his cigarette to his > friend and pirated my fire! I was furious, I started to make my way over to > that side of the bar but to my added horror his friend then started to > light other people's cigarettes left, right, and centre! Before long that > whole side of the bar was enjoying MY fire without paying me anything. > Enraged I went from person to person grabbing their cigarettes from their > hands, throwing them to the ground, and stamping on them. > > Strangely the door staff exhibited no respect for my property rights as > they threw me out the door. > > --Ian Clarke > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
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2000-07-29 00:25Scott boy>There is a flaw in the logic of this. I disagree, see my caps altered story below. >Creat
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quoted 1 line There is a flaw in the logic of this.>There is a flaw in the logic of this.
I disagree, see my caps altered story below.
quoted 1 line Creating music is not a service.>Creating music is not a service.
Your comment above. I agree, creating a collection of sounds is not a service, that is UNLESS you intend sell it. Which makes it a product to be sold. scott I was in the pub last night, and a guy asked me TO HEAR SOME OF MY MUSIC ON HIS PC. I suddenly realised that there was a demand here and money to be made, and so I agreed to LET HIM HEAR MY MUSIC for 15 QUID, but I didn't actually give him THE MUSIC, I sold him a license to PLAY IT WITH CERTAIN REGULATIONS ATTACHED. My COPYRIGHT LICENSE restricted him from giving the MUSIC to anybody else, after all, those SOUNDS WERE my property. He was drunk, and dismissing me as a loony, but accepted my MUSIC (and by implication the licence which governed its use) anyway. Of course in a matter of minutes I noticed a friend of his asking TO HEAR THE MUSIC and to my outrage he gave his MP3 to his friend and pirated my SOUNDS! I was furious, I started to make my way over to that side of the bar but to my added horror his friend then started to LET OTHER PEOPLE HEAR MY MUSIC left, right, and centre! Before long that whole side of the bar was enjoying MY MUSIC without paying me anything. Enraged I went from person to person grabbing their MP3S from their hands, throwing them to the ground, and stamping on them. Strangely the door staff exhibited no respect for my property rights as they threw me out the door. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-07-29 00:27mr oYou are talking about sex, right? >From: Wendy K <wendy@ninjatune.net> >To: idm@hyperreal.
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You are talking about sex, right?
quoted 56 lines From: Wendy K <wendy@ninjatune.net>>From: Wendy K <wendy@ninjatune.net> >To: idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: [idm] some gnutella words on napster >Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 23:16:43 +0100 > >There is a flaw in the logic of this. >Giving someone a light is a service. Unless you actually invented/ >created fire and or the match. Creating music is not a service. >People who create art, music, whatever should have the right to do >what they want with it; some choose to mortgage their house (ie big >advances, major labels); others choose to share it with their friends; >others choose to share it with friends who will agree to split whatever >profit they both make; and others (like myself) choose to keep their >creations private and not get entangled with lighting anyone's fire >(or cigarette) http://www.thetruth.com > > >>I was in the pub last night, and a guy asked me for a light for his >>cigarette. I suddenly realised that there was a demand here and money to >>be >>made, and so I agreed to light his cigarette for 10 pence, but I didn't >>actually give him a light, I sold him a license to burn his cigarette. My >>fire-license restricted him from giving the light to anybody else, after >>all, that fire was my property. He was drunk, and dismissing me as a >>loony, >>but accepted my fire (and by implication the licence which governed its >>use) anyway. Of course in a matter of minutes I noticed a friend of his >>asking him for a light and to my outrage he gave his cigarette to his >>friend and pirated my fire! I was furious, I started to make my way over >>to >>that side of the bar but to my added horror his friend then started to >>light other people's cigarettes left, right, and centre! Before long that >>whole side of the bar was enjoying MY fire without paying me anything. >>Enraged I went from person to person grabbing their cigarettes from their >>hands, throwing them to the ground, and stamping on them. >> >>Strangely the door staff exhibited no respect for my property rights as >>they threw me out the door. >> >>--Ian Clarke > > >W.E.N.D.Y.: Worker Engineered for Nocturnal Destruction and Yardwork >remember september 18 - >xen cuts is coming! >Xen Nites - 21 -24 Sept London >Xen Euorage - 8 Sept - 2 Oct >Xen USA - Oct/Nov - watch da rides >http://www.ninjatune.net >http://www.piratetv.net >http://www.ninjatune.net/solidsteel > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2000-07-29 00:32mr oYou are talking about sex, right? >From: Wendy K <wendy@ninjatune.net> >To: idm@hyperreal.
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You are talking about sex, right?
quoted 56 lines From: Wendy K <wendy@ninjatune.net>>From: Wendy K <wendy@ninjatune.net> >To: idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: [idm] some gnutella words on napster >Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 23:16:43 +0100 > >There is a flaw in the logic of this. >Giving someone a light is a service. Unless you actually invented/ >created fire and or the match. Creating music is not a service. >People who create art, music, whatever should have the right to do >what they want with it; some choose to mortgage their house (ie big >advances, major labels); others choose to share it with their friends; >others choose to share it with friends who will agree to split whatever >profit they both make; and others (like myself) choose to keep their >creations private and not get entangled with lighting anyone's fire >(or cigarette) http://www.thetruth.com > > >>I was in the pub last night, and a guy asked me for a light for his >>cigarette. I suddenly realised that there was a demand here and money to >>be >>made, and so I agreed to light his cigarette for 10 pence, but I didn't >>actually give him a light, I sold him a license to burn his cigarette. My >>fire-license restricted him from giving the light to anybody else, after >>all, that fire was my property. He was drunk, and dismissing me as a >>loony, >>but accepted my fire (and by implication the licence which governed its >>use) anyway. Of course in a matter of minutes I noticed a friend of his >>asking him for a light and to my outrage he gave his cigarette to his >>friend and pirated my fire! I was furious, I started to make my way over >>to >>that side of the bar but to my added horror his friend then started to >>light other people's cigarettes left, right, and centre! Before long that >>whole side of the bar was enjoying MY fire without paying me anything. >>Enraged I went from person to person grabbing their cigarettes from their >>hands, throwing them to the ground, and stamping on them. >> >>Strangely the door staff exhibited no respect for my property rights as >>they threw me out the door. >> >>--Ian Clarke > > >W.E.N.D.Y.: Worker Engineered for Nocturnal Destruction and Yardwork >remember september 18 - >xen cuts is coming! >Xen Nites - 21 -24 Sept London >Xen Euorage - 8 Sept - 2 Oct >Xen USA - Oct/Nov - watch da rides >http://www.ninjatune.net >http://www.piratetv.net >http://www.ninjatune.net/solidsteel > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2000-07-29 01:55Jeff Waye/Ninja Tuneexcept you forgot the part about the good musician having no time to make anything good an
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except you forgot the part about the good musician having no time to make anything good anymore as he had to get a job since apparently there was no longer any monetary value to what he worked on. We wouldn't have been there at the pub due to having no money, or perhaps he would have been the one serving the drinks and muttering bitterly... I mean sure that kind of suffering life experience contributes to good music, but who has the time. Everyone needs to pay rent. The point is it's up to whoever made the music to decide where it goes, no one else. If you want to give your music free, go ahead and I'm happy the channels for you to do so exist. However not all artist want to, and don't lump the entire music industry under one big shitty umbrella. Jeff
quoted 32 lines There is a flaw in the logic of this.>>There is a flaw in the logic of this. > >I disagree, see my caps altered story below. > >>Creating music is not a service. > >Your comment above. I agree, creating a collection of sounds is not a >service, that is UNLESS you intend sell it. Which makes it a product to be >sold. > >scott > >I was in the pub last night, and a guy asked me TO HEAR SOME OF MY MUSIC ON >HIS PC. I suddenly realised that there was a demand here and >money to be made, and so I agreed to LET HIM HEAR MY MUSIC for 15 QUID, but >I didn't actually give him THE MUSIC, I sold him a license to PLAY IT WITH >CERTAIN REGULATIONS ATTACHED. My COPYRIGHT LICENSE restricted him from >giving the MUSIC to anybody else, after all, those SOUNDS WERE my property. >He was drunk, and dismissing me as a loony, >but accepted my MUSIC (and by implication the licence which governed >its use) anyway. Of course in a matter of minutes I noticed a friend of >his asking TO HEAR THE MUSIC and to my outrage he gave his MP3 to >his friend and pirated my SOUNDS! I was furious, I started to make my way >over to that side of the bar but to my added horror his friend then started >to LET OTHER PEOPLE HEAR MY MUSIC left, right, and centre! Before long that >whole side of the bar was enjoying MY MUSIC without paying me anything. >Enraged I went from person to person grabbing their MP3S from >their hands, throwing them to the ground, and stamping on them. > >Strangely the door staff exhibited no respect for my property >rights as >they threw me out the door.
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