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Re: [idm] synth vs. keyboard (long)

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2000-07-12 16:48RE: [idm] synth vs. keyboard (long)
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2000-07-12 16:48Evan@mmlive.comUnison: > I was all about to buy a nice yamaha djx keyboard, This in itself is not necessa
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quoted 1 line I was all about to buy a nice yamaha djx keyboard,> I was all about to buy a nice yamaha djx keyboard,
This in itself is not necessarily a bad idea - as Jared pointed out, the DJX is a synth, and it can be kinda fun to play around with. It might even be a good starting point to cut your teeth on the synth world. From the sound of it, if you're considering a DJX you're looking to get going on a budget and not spend a truckload of $$ right now, and that's fine, so maybe an all-in-one solution may be what you're looking for...
quoted 2 lines but now that I ponder it, it would be better in the longrun to buy a> but now that I ponder it, it would be better in the longrun to buy a > synthesizer,
Remember, if you buy a synth (I'm not talking about grooveboxes here), you have to think about how you're going to fill in all the other sonic gaps, such as rhythms, etc. You can fill in some of the gaps with computer software, so that may be a good solution for you while you build up cash to buy more gear. I really like some of the software tools I've used in the past, but there's nothing like working with hardware. It just feels right IMO. Grooveboxes basically have most of the sonic bits to create music, but most of those are limited in their sound generation capability, and are not as versatile as a dedicated synth like a Nord Lead or whatever, since they're generally ROMplers with filters, effects, etc., and if that's what works for you then more power to you. They also have built-in patterns which can be both a help and a hinderance.
quoted 1 line preferably Roland.> preferably Roland.
You will also want to ask yourself "Why Roland, specifically?" They do have some great products and some that are real P.O.S.es (the MT-32 synth module would qualify here :). And they have a pretty evil marketing division who gave us the term "Groove Approved" (gee, thanks, guys!). You would probably do yourself a favor by doing a little research on what equipment is available, perhaps by checking out the information on & reviews of equipment up on SynthSite: http://www.sonicstate.com/synth/index.cfm You could also sub to synth-related mailing lists like Digital Hell or Analogue Heaven: http://techno.king.net/synthetic-fruit/dh/ http://machines.hyperreal.org/Analogue-Heaven/ Jared also mentioned that there are some really good alternatives to Roland products like the 777 and the Jomox xbase09, but from the sound of it you really don't want to buy a bunch of gear... However, if you do want to buy several pieces of equipment, those are great suggestions as alternatives to "the real thing" some prefer them over the original. I take exception, however, to the recommendation AX-60 (sorry, Jared). I had the experience of using one of these side-by-side with my Roland Juno-60, and the AX-60 always sounded thin and weak to me, and the keyboard and slider panel were, IMHO, shoddily constructed. But that's just my opinion. Anyway, check out SynthSite for more info, and, if you can, *try out* a few synths before you buy. That way you can get the device YOU want that will work for YOUR playing style and will fit YOUR needs. Not something with just a brand name, or that someone told you was what you should buy, or that "looks cool" sitting on your desktop. Because that is probably what it will end up doing - gathering dust, or ending up on eBay... :) My personal feelings about/experience with Roland equipment goes something like this: I love my Juno-60 (which I've had since '86), I like my Boss DR-660 (still a Roland product) but would like to replace it with something else at some point, and I despise my MT-32. ;) h o p e t h i s h e l p s ! :: e v a n k. s t o n e :: m u l t i m e d i a l i v e :: p e t a l u m a, c a, u s a ------------------------------ :: mailto:evan@mmlive.com :: http://www.mmlive.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-07-12 20:23Loptimiste@aol.comIn a message dated 7/12/00 9:49:51 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Evan@mmlive.com writes: << I
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In a message dated 7/12/00 9:49:51 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Evan@mmlive.com writes: << I take exception, however, to the recommendation AX-60 (sorry, Jared). I had the experience of using one of these side-by-side with my Roland Juno-60, and the AX-60 always sounded thin and weak to me, and the keyboard and slider panel were, IMHO, shoddily constructed. But that's just my opinion. >> You're right.. It doesn't duplicate the roland juno sound perfectly.. but that's what i like about it, and that's why i suggested it. it's got an edgier more aggressive sound to it that i like.. i actually thought the quality of the construction was quite good.. maybe you got a board that was badly taken care of... if anyone wants to hear this board.. check out www.mp3.com/thoughtless and download the "untitled" track.. it uses ax60 exclusively for synth.. the bass sound i though was hardly thin and weak, IMO. another reason i suggest this is that you can find these for 300-350$.. much cheaper than a 106. it also uses VCO's instead of DCO's for those analog purists out there.. the VCO slider is a welcome addition in my opinion too! once again, it's all a matter of opinion! and if you love that roland sound, then by all means go for it! thanks, jared --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-07-12 20:27Loptimiste@aol.comIn a message dated 7/12/00 1:25:37 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Loptimiste@aol.com writes: <<
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In a message dated 7/12/00 1:25:37 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Loptimiste@aol.com writes: << the VCO slider >> should be VCO Mod slider... oops! jared --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-07-12 21:04Evan@mmlive.com> once again, it's all a matter of opinion! and if you love > that roland sound, then by a
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quoted 2 lines once again, it's all a matter of opinion! and if you love> once again, it's all a matter of opinion! and if you love > that roland sound, then by all means go for it!
I think one of the things that becomes readily apparent out of this discussion is that you should acquire a particular instrument because you want the *sound* it makes (and you should know that beforehand). Each device has its own "personality," and it's important to know *why* you're buying what you're buying, not just going for something because everyone else is, or because it's "cool." The important thing is to have fun with your equipment anyway, so whatever it takes to accomplish that, do it. :) :: e v a n k. s t o n e :: w e b p r o g r a m m i n g e n g i n e e r :: m u l t i m e d i a l i v e :: p e t a l u m a, c a, u s a ------------------------------ :: mailto:evan@mmlive.com :: http://www.mmlive.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org