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quoted 11 lines Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 15:13:28 -0700 (PDT)

>Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 15:13:28 -0700 (PDT) >From: zimbette <tofu@uci.edu> >Subject: Re: [idm] kid606 and such. > >what, so people like myself who like a band are just part of a undesereved >hype machine unless its something you like, in which case it is hype that >is deserved? > >thats silly. > >what makes something hype? and what makes it "deserved"?

tofu, undeserved hype is when you (generic listener, reviewer, etc.) unapologetically promote a release or artist, when in your heart of hearts you know you shouldn't. deserved hype is when you unapologetically promote a release or artist, when you know that a work is so vital it should be heard by as many people as possible. where kid606 (or any artist) fits in this spectrum is up to you, the individual, but keep in mind that the distributed, decentralized format for this list means that we're all on the honour system: any time we cheer on a lemon, it unnecessarily drives another nail into the idm coffin, in the eyes of someone new to this art form. on the other hand, any time we back a winner we get to feel like we're on the cutting edge. i find that an honest balance of critical and positive interpretation works for me. -a. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 2 lines i agree, except that i find it absurd when people like something that is a

>i agree, except that i find it absurd when people like something that is a >little off the norm, people refer to it as "hype".

It's a judgment call, though. It's when "a little off the norm" is the _only requirement_ for something to be described as "worth buying" or "on my top-10 of the year for sure" that the hype shines through as someone talking about an object to be owned and displayed on a mantle/year-end email. A lot of times these are the releases that generate the most controversy on the list: since nobody describes Kid606's music in a meaningful way, the only way to talk about him are these sidetracks into arguments about the color scheme of the vinyl record (for instance).

quoted 4 lines im really curious about this kid606 vs hype thing that the fellow from

>im really curious about this kid606 vs hype thing that the fellow from >component records commented on because i personally do not see it.. >yes, the kid is getting more attention, but none of it seems to be overly >"hyped."

"overly?" http://www.apple.com/creative/music/kid606/ -- http://www.synthesizer.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On Mon, 5 Jun 2000, Alex Reynolds wrote:

quoted 9 lines tofu,

> tofu, > > undeserved hype is when you (generic listener, reviewer, etc.) > unapologetically promote a release or artist, when in your heart of hearts > you know you shouldn't. > > deserved hype is when you unapologetically promote a release or artist, > when you know that a work is so vital it should be heard by as many people > as possible.

So for the third time, you're basically saying "If I like it, only then does it deserve hype." --- PLEASE REMOVE CARD AND TRY AGAIN --- BIDDY BIDDY BIDDY ---

quoted 8 lines where kid606 (or any artist) fits in this spectrum is up to you, the

> where kid606 (or any artist) fits in this spectrum is up to you, the > individual, but keep in mind that the distributed, decentralized format > for this list means that we're all on the honour system: any time we > cheer on a lemon, it unnecessarily drives another nail into the idm > coffin, in the eyes of someone new to this art form. on the other hand, > any time we back a winner we get to feel like we're on the cutting edge. > i find that an honest balance of critical and positive interpretation > works for me.

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