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1999-12-20 01:11Geordan Drummondjeff shoemaker wrote: > unfortunately miles davis beat mr. jenkinson to the punch by about

From:: Geordan Drummond <g-d@worldnet.att.net>
To:: IDM List <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 20:11:42 -0500
Subject:: Re: (idm) Squarepusher quality control

jeff shoemaker wrote:

quoted 7 lines unfortunately miles davis beat mr. jenkinson to the punch by about 30 years.

> unfortunately miles davis beat mr. jenkinson to the punch by about 30 years. > i preferred jenkinson when he was doing stuff that sounded like nothing else > in the world (okay, except for jaco pastorius in a blender). his newer > material sounds a little too much like miles for my taste. and i believe > that miles is the kind of artist that did it so well that any musical nods, > especially ones as gratuitous as MIRON and after, are dangerously close to > being simple copies.

My sentiments exactly. It sounds like a Bitches Brew knockoff and doesn't really add much to it. The only track I've liked from MIRON forward is "Iambic 5 Poetry" - I haven't bothered to pick up 'Selection Sixteen' since I've been so disappointed the past few releases. He's a really great musician; I think he's capable of much more imaginative work than recycled fusion jazz. GD --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

1999-12-20 02:03david turgeon> My sentiments exactly. It sounds like a Bitches Brew knockoff and doesn't > really add m

From:: david turgeon <eerie@mnemonic.net>
To:: IDM List <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 21:03:53 -0500
Subject:: (idm) squarepusher loves fusion, get over it

quoted 5 lines My sentiments exactly. It sounds like a Bitches Brew knockoff and doesn't

> My sentiments exactly. It sounds like a Bitches Brew knockoff and doesn't > really add much to it. The only track I've liked from MIRON forward is "Iambic > 5 Poetry" - I haven't bothered to pick up 'Selection Sixteen' since I've been so > disappointed the past few releases. He's a really great musician; I think he's > capable of much more imaginative work than recycled fusion jazz.

yeah, but that is mostly a matter of taste. correct me if i'm wrong, but... i've heard parts of 'feed me weird things' once & i can remember there being hints of fusion jazz already in these songs. so it's not like he went into a _completely_ foreign direction with 'music is rotted one note' & so on. unless all you liked about him were the big loada beats? it's true that no composer ever truly matched the combined madnesses of digital hardcore & extreme drill n bass abstraction in their music. in fact, it's a shame that drill n bass has died out for all i care. had it not been exclusively handled by the ha-ha-funny-but-a-tad-overkill crew of rdj, paradinas, jenkinson & co., perhaps it would have gone somewhere more productive. for all my measly opinion is worth! ~ david --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

1999-12-20 02:32eric hill>correct me if i'm wrong, but... i've heard parts of 'feed me weird >things' once & i can

From:: eric hill <ehill@best.com>
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Date:: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 18:32:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject:: Re: (idm) squarepusher loves fusion, get over it
Reply to:: (idm) squarepusher loves fusion, get over it

quoted 3 lines correct me if i'm wrong, but... i've heard parts of 'feed me weird

>correct me if i'm wrong, but... i've heard parts of 'feed me weird >things' once & i can remember there being hints of fusion jazz already >in these songs. so it's not like he went into a _completely_ foreign

hmm, fusion is really all i've ever been able to hear in his songs. *wank* with the sampler, *wank* with the bass, *wank* with the "ooh trippy." i could run a list off of famous people who are so obviously beating their fans about the head and face with the old "ease of composition" that midi/computers afford creative types, but really it's how the sounds massage your eardrums that matters and a tech-rant isn't going to change that. HOWEVER, much like the tae-bo sessions of <your fave 70's prog-fusion or shrapnel records artiste>, once the initial shock of the sounds wears off (and the artists future releases perhaps revealing an inclination to just take it easy, man), there isn't much "there" there and the shit starts getting dated. onnow: the operator : hostile applets part one (djax up-beats) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

1999-12-20 03:45jeff shoemaker>> My sentiments exactly. It sounds like a Bitches Brew knockoff and doesn't >> really add

From:: jeff shoemaker <cache@texas.net>
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Date:: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 21:45:36 -0600 (CST)
Subject:: Re: (idm) squarepusher loves fusion, get over it

quoted 2 lines My sentiments exactly. It sounds like a Bitches Brew knockoff and doesn't

>> My sentiments exactly. It sounds like a Bitches Brew knockoff and doesn't >> really add much to it. The only track I've liked from MIRON forward is

"Iambic

quoted 1 line 5 Poetry" - I haven't bothered to pick up 'Selection Sixteen' since I&

>> 5 Poetry" - I haven't bothered to pick up 'Selection Sixteen' since I've

been so

quoted 1 line disappointed the past few releases. He's a really great musician; I

>> disappointed the past few releases. He's a really great musician; I

think he's

quoted 9 lines capable of much more imaginative work than recycled fusion jazz.

>> capable of much more imaginative work than recycled fusion jazz. > >yeah, but that is mostly a matter of taste. > >correct me if i'm wrong, but... i've heard parts of 'feed me weird >things' once & i can remember there being hints of fusion jazz already >in these songs. so it's not like he went into a _completely_ foreign >direction with 'music is rotted one note' & so on. unless all you liked >about him were the big loada beats?

he he, no. . .of course quite a bit of SP from early on had a definite fusion, um, infusion (the most obvious point of reference being jaco pastorius circa Heavy Weather. some of this stuff sounds uncannily like some of HND). personally, i liked the big loada beats WITH the fusiony stuff. THAT was a truly original sound that he had going. teh newer stuff is just too noodly and self-conscious sounding. the older stuff, while certainly noodly in places, was also ruff as fuck. i just thought that i worked really well, and his new stuff doesn't get to me as much. hardly at all, actually. now the new animals on wheels. now THERE'S a drill-and-bass poster boy who's managed to craft a downtempo, minimal post '96 thing that i can really sink my teeth into. the new CD is comparable to new SP, except that with AoW i don't feel like i'm being "taught" anything, just "entertained", which is nice when i want to be entertained. i know, i'm making fairly obvious points that have probably already been discussed to death already. -------------- 1642 try 621 -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Re: (idm) squarepusher loves fusion, get over it