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2000-05-15 19:06Michael Shepherd [idm] Is there an Electronic Music Guide?
└─ 2000-05-15 20:56John Bush RE: [idm] Is there an Electronic Music Guide?
2000-05-15 19:14Kelley Hackett RE: [idm] Is there an Electronic Music Guide?
2000-05-15 22:33Stephen D. Olson Re: [idm] Is there an Electronic Music Guide?
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2000-05-15 19:06Michael ShepherdHas anyone ever considered putting an Electronic Music Guide together? I thought All Music
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Mon, 15 May 2000 12:06:34 -0700
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[idm] Is there an Electronic Music Guide?
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Has anyone ever considered putting an Electronic Music Guide together? I thought All Music put one together, but I'm not too sure. I'm asking because I purchased Penguin's Jazz and Classical Music guides when I wanted to buy the "best " cds in those genres. In the end, those guides saved me a lot of time and money to get a hold of some great music. However, when I got into Electronic Music a few years ago, I had to scour various websites, newsgroups, mailing lists, and deja.com to find out what cds and lps I should buy. I know that there will always be differences in opinion about what's "good" and what's not. Even the term "good" is relative. However, over time, it does becomes more obvious that a larger percentage of people agree that John Coltrane's A Love Supreme or various lps by Duke Ellington and Miles Davis are masterpieces. Can't the same be done for Electronic Music? I guess another problem would be to decide which artists to include in the Guide and how to describe or categorize their music. The Penguin guides have the same problem, but they try to err on the side of inclusivity rather than exclusivity. However the Penguin Jazz guide excludes most Fusion work, but includes all of Miles' electric albums (Bitches Brew, etc.). That seems like a contradiction. Of course an Electronic Music guide should go as far back in time and include as much as possible: Stockhausen, Kraftwerk, etc. However, what about John Cage? Or all of the many obscure Fax, ambient, and noise artists? The guide would have to be the size of a telephone book to include all of these people. So, who gets exluded? Also, intead of categorizing, perhaps the guide should simply list the artists in alphabetical order. This may cause other problems, but I noticed that the Penguin guide alphabetizes instead of trying to classify Jazz artists in categories of Bebop, Hard Bop, Swing, Cool, Fusion, Latin, Big Band, etc. Finally, I think the biggest problem to overcome would be the sheer bulk of Electronic music that's good, but out of print. Penguin lists out of print material in case you're ever lucky enough to find a copy of something. I like that idea. However, Jazz Guides never review the thousands of 78's like the ones that Charlie Parker and Dizzy Gillespie cut back in the 40's and 50's. Instead, Jazz Guides typically review a cd that has compiled these 78s. For example, Charlie Parker The Complete Savoy, Decca, Dial, Verve, etc. That would leave out a lot of great music from various Electronic artists who haven't had their old 12'"s and 7"s compiled onto a cd. And there's yet another dilemma. Should only cds be listed in the guide? The Penguin used to list lps and casettes, but they now restrict their guides to cds. That means that even more great electronic music will be left out. And how would you rate all of this? The four and five star system is very controversial. I always disagree with Penguin when my favorite cd gets a mere two stars. Oh well... So, is an Electronic Music Guide a good or bad idea? I think it would be a good idea, but I wanted to know what other people thought and if they think one will ever be done. If there is one currently available (like the All Music Guide to...?), where can I get it and is it any good? Thanks. -- shephrd@earthlink.net | "...thita NK;" "...mechanically reclaimed by autechre..." --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-05-15 20:56John Bush> Has anyone ever considered putting an Electronic Music Guide together? > I thought All M
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John Bush
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Michael Shepherd , idm
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Mon, 15 May 2000 16:56:05 -0400
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RE: [idm] Is there an Electronic Music Guide?
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[idm] Is there an Electronic Music Guide?
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quoted 2 lines Has anyone ever considered putting an Electronic Music Guide together?> Has anyone ever considered putting an Electronic Music Guide together? > I thought All Music put one together, but I'm not too sure.
Well, we have indeed put one together, completed as early as mid-1998 -- and revised continually since then. Unfortunately, the actual publishing of the book has been delayed a few times after two years of mucking around with different publishers and different areas of emphasis (internet instead of print guides) for the company in general... According to what I've been told, it's just a few corporate heads at the top of the ladder that don't consider it a priority quite like I do. ;)
quoted 6 lines Even the term "good" is relative. However, over> Even the term "good" is relative. However, over > time, it does becomes more obvious that a larger > percentage of people agree that John Coltrane's > A Love Supreme or various lps by Duke Ellington > and Miles Davis are masterpieces. Can't the same > be done for Electronic Music?
I think you're right, and when the AMG Electronic book comes out, hopefully it'll get some classic out-of-print material reissued and/or keep some classics in print...
quoted 2 lines but they try to err on the side of> but they try to err on the side of > inclusivity rather than exclusivity.
We're definitely doing the same -- we included everybody you'd expect, plus a major list of influences scattered through the book for those who want to dig a little deeper. Not just the usual Herbie/Miles jazz axis and Cage/Stockhausen classical people, but features on some really intriguing artists -- Tod Dockstader, Bruce Haack, Raymond Scott, Salsoul Orchestra, Beaver & Krause, Perrey & Kingsley, etc.... It's definitely coming out, and probably by the end of the year, if not early next year. I'll post to the list once we get a publishing date nailed down. .John. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-05-15 19:14Kelley HackettWell Shepard, u know the origin of it all doesnt fit into any one group......but so too wi
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Kelley Hackett
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Michael Shepherd , idm
Date:
Mon, 15 May 2000 14:14:05 -0500
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RE: [idm] Is there an Electronic Music Guide?
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Well Shepard, u know the origin of it all doesnt fit into any one group......but so too with Jazz and Reggae....The capitalists and all those who agree, whether tacitly or blatantly, have extracted TECHNO, into many different forms.......However, and here is a lesson for ALL those who DONT know(should calculate out to 99.9% of ya), its all one scene........there is no separation from the Hip-hop! Its ONE........ ---Im priming U muthafuckas for this............. Hk~! -----Original Message----- From: Michael Shepherd [mailto:shephrd@earthlink.net] Sent: Monday, May 15, 2000 2:07 PM To: idm Subject: [idm] Is there an Electronic Music Guide? Has anyone ever considered putting an Electronic Music Guide together? I thought All Music put one together, but I'm not too sure. I'm asking because I purchased Penguin's Jazz and Classical Music guides when I wanted to buy the "best " cds in those genres. In the end, those guides saved me a lot of time and money to get a hold of some great music. However, when I got into Electronic Music a few years ago, I had to scour various websites, newsgroups, mailing lists, and deja.com to find out what cds and lps I should buy. I know that there will always be differences in opinion about what's "good" and what's not. Even the term "good" is relative. However, over time, it does becomes more obvious that a larger percentage of people agree that John Coltrane's A Love Supreme or various lps by Duke Ellington and Miles Davis are masterpieces. Can't the same be done for Electronic Music? I guess another problem would be to decide which artists to include in the Guide and how to describe or categorize their music. The Penguin guides have the same problem, but they try to err on the side of inclusivity rather than exclusivity. However the Penguin Jazz guide excludes most Fusion work, but includes all of Miles' electric albums (Bitches Brew, etc.). That seems like a contradiction. Of course an Electronic Music guide should go as far back in time and include as much as possible: Stockhausen, Kraftwerk, etc. However, what about John Cage? Or all of the many obscure Fax, ambient, and noise artists? The guide would have to be the size of a telephone book to include all of these people. So, who gets exluded? Also, intead of categorizing, perhaps the guide should simply list the artists in alphabetical order. This may cause other problems, but I noticed that the Penguin guide alphabetizes instead of trying to classify Jazz artists in categories of Bebop, Hard Bop, Swing, Cool, Fusion, Latin, Big Band, etc. Finally, I think the biggest problem to overcome would be the sheer bulk of Electronic music that's good, but out of print. Penguin lists out of print material in case you're ever lucky enough to find a copy of something. I like that idea. However, Jazz Guides never review the thousands of 78's like the ones that Charlie Parker and Dizzy Gillespie cut back in the 40's and 50's. Instead, Jazz Guides typically review a cd that has compiled these 78s. For example, Charlie Parker The Complete Savoy, Decca, Dial, Verve, etc. That would leave out a lot of great music from various Electronic artists who haven't had their old 12'"s and 7"s compiled onto a cd. And there's yet another dilemma. Should only cds be listed in the guide? The Penguin used to list lps and casettes, but they now restrict their guides to cds. That means that even more great electronic music will be left out. And how would you rate all of this? The four and five star system is very controversial. I always disagree with Penguin when my favorite cd gets a mere two stars. Oh well... So, is an Electronic Music Guide a good or bad idea? I think it would be a good idea, but I wanted to know what other people thought and if they think one will ever be done. If there is one currently available (like the All Music Guide to...?), where can I get it and is it any good? Thanks. -- shephrd@earthlink.net | "...thita NK;" "...mechanically reclaimed by autechre..." --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-05-15 22:33Stephen D. Olsonwell, there is one for raggae, one summer it was super hot in jamaica, too hot to dance to
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Stephen D. Olson
To:
Kelley Hackett
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Michael Shepherd , idm
Date:
Mon, 15 May 2000 15:33:50 -0700
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Re: [idm] Is there an Electronic Music Guide?
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well, there is one for raggae, one summer it was super hot in jamaica, too hot to dance to ska comfortably, so they slowed it down, lots... no joke steve Kelley Hackett wrote:
quoted 87 lines Well Shepard, u know the origin of it all doesnt fit into any one> Well Shepard, u know the origin of it all doesnt fit into any one > group......but so too with Jazz and Reggae....The capitalists and all those > who agree, whether tacitly or blatantly, have extracted TECHNO, into many > different forms.......However, and here is a lesson for ALL those who DONT > know(should calculate out to 99.9% of ya), its all one scene........there is > no separation from the Hip-hop! > Its ONE........ > > ---Im priming U muthafuckas for this............. > > Hk~! > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Shepherd [mailto:shephrd@earthlink.net] > Sent: Monday, May 15, 2000 2:07 PM > To: idm > Subject: [idm] Is there an Electronic Music Guide? > > Has anyone ever considered putting an Electronic Music Guide together? I > thought All Music put one together, but I'm not too sure. I'm asking because > I purchased Penguin's Jazz and Classical Music guides when I wanted to buy > the "best " cds in those genres. In the end, those guides saved me a lot of > time and money to get a hold of some great music. However, when I got into > Electronic Music a few years ago, I had to scour various websites, > newsgroups, mailing lists, and deja.com to find out what cds and lps I > should buy. > > I know that there will always be differences in opinion about what's "good" > and what's not. Even the term "good" is relative. However, over time, it > does becomes more obvious that a larger percentage of people agree that John > Coltrane's A Love Supreme or various lps by Duke Ellington and Miles Davis > are masterpieces. Can't the same be done for Electronic Music? > > I guess another problem would be to decide which artists to include in the > Guide and how to describe or categorize their music. The Penguin guides have > the same problem, but they try to err on the side of inclusivity rather than > exclusivity. However the Penguin Jazz guide excludes most Fusion work, but > includes all of Miles' electric albums (Bitches Brew, etc.). That seems like > a contradiction. > > Of course an Electronic Music guide should go as far back in time and > include as much as possible: Stockhausen, Kraftwerk, etc. However, what > about John Cage? Or all of the many obscure Fax, ambient, and noise artists? > The guide would have to be the size of a telephone book to include all of > these people. So, who gets exluded? > > Also, intead of categorizing, perhaps the guide should simply list the > artists in alphabetical order. This may cause other problems, but I noticed > that the Penguin guide alphabetizes instead of trying to classify Jazz > artists in categories of Bebop, Hard Bop, Swing, Cool, Fusion, Latin, Big > Band, etc. > > Finally, I think the biggest problem to overcome would be the sheer bulk of > Electronic music that's good, but out of print. Penguin lists out of print > material in case you're ever lucky enough to find a copy of something. I > like that idea. However, Jazz Guides never review the thousands of 78's like > the ones that Charlie Parker and Dizzy Gillespie cut back in the 40's and > 50's. Instead, Jazz Guides typically review a cd that has compiled these > 78s. For example, Charlie Parker The Complete Savoy, Decca, Dial, Verve, > etc. That would leave out a lot of great music from various Electronic > artists who haven't had their old 12'"s and 7"s compiled onto a cd. > > And there's yet another dilemma. Should only cds be listed in the guide? The > Penguin used to list lps and casettes, but they now restrict their guides to > cds. That means that even more great electronic music will be left out. > > And how would you rate all of this? The four and five star system is very > controversial. I always disagree with Penguin when my favorite cd gets a > mere two stars. Oh well... > > So, is an Electronic Music Guide a good or bad idea? I think it would be a > good idea, but I wanted to know what other people thought and if they think > one will ever be done. If there is one currently available (like the All > Music Guide to...?), where can I get it and is it any good? > > Thanks. > -- > shephrd@earthlink.net | "...thita NK;" > "...mechanically reclaimed by autechre..." > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
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