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Re: (idm) "Only Insecure People Have a Problem Calling it Intelligent"

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1999-09-20 22:29Che (idm) "Only Insecure People Have a Problem Calling it Intelligent"
└─ 1999-09-21 12:35Zenon M. Feszczak Re: (idm) "Only Insecure People Have a Problem Calling it Intelligent"
└─ 1999-09-21 23:03wells Re: (idm) "Only Insecure People Have a Problem Calling it Intelligent"
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1999-09-20 22:29CheWhy do I call it intelligent? Because it engages my brain in a way that other dance music
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Mon, 20 Sep 1999 15:29:41 -0700 (PDT)
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(idm) "Only Insecure People Have a Problem Calling it Intelligent"
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Why do I call it intelligent? Because it engages my brain in a way that other dance music does not. Other dance music is more about engaging the body. This is no value judgement, it is a statement of perceived function. If I call Bill Gates intelligent, am I calling other men unintelligent? Please, why would anyone think that calling this music "Intelligent Dance Music" makes all other dance music unintelligent? Calling attention to one feature of the music does not mean this feature is completely lacking in other music. If I call a music "Painfully Loud Noise Music", am I saying that the listeners are painfully loud? Why do some people think that "Intelligent Dance Music" assigns the label intelligent to the listeners as well? It's a mystery to me. During my hellish experience in the highly tribalized American public school system, I became painfully aware that most people are extremely insecure about their own intelligence (or lack thereof), and jealous of those that are more intelligent. This is manifested in a variety of negative behaviors, from social shunning to physical violence. In this environment, intelligent is a dirty word. I see the perception of the word intelligent as being negative or pretentious to be yet another example of this insecurity. There's nothing wrong with the word intelligent. Be highly suspicious of anyone who says there is. Che
1999-09-21 12:35Zenon M. FeszczakPerhaps it should be called "intellectual" rather than "intelligent". Then again, this ter
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Perhaps it should be called "intellectual" rather than "intelligent". Then again, this term implies absence of emotional content, which does not seem accurate either. So perhaps something like "electronic listening music" is more appropriate. That is, oriented towards listening rather than dancing. 3
1999-09-21 23:03wellsAt 08:35 AM 9/21/99 -0400, Zenon M. Feszczak wrote: >Perhaps it should be called "intellec
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At 08:35 AM 9/21/99 -0400, Zenon M. Feszczak wrote:
quoted 8 lines Perhaps it should be called "intellectual" rather than "intelligent".>Perhaps it should be called "intellectual" rather than "intelligent". > >Then again, this term implies absence of emotional content, which >does not seem accurate either. > >So perhaps something like "electronic listening music" is more appropriate. >That is, oriented towards listening rather than dancing. >
Perhaps we could call it "Intelligent Dance Music That's Not Really Intelligent But Just Not So Suitable For Dancing Except for Sometimes." Come on.. you guys are getting to concerned with the semantics of all this. IDM is just a name, and we all know what it's referring to. It's easy to describe to friends ("it's like electronic that's not so dancy, unless you're one of those obnoxious morons who try real hard to dance to Autechre"). Plus, we all know IDM is superior to any other kind of music, so the implied pretense isn't so bad after all. - wells oliver / s0ewoliv@titan.vcu.edu " The only difference between suicide and martyrdom is press coverage. "