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1999-03-18 13:38DanDont know if this has been spotted already, but the new fatcat web site is up with a nice

From:: Dan <dlondon@coventry.ac.uk>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 13:38:58 +0000 (GMT)
Subject:: (idm) Fat Cat

Dont know if this has been spotted already, but the new fatcat web site is up with a nice online shop to buy all there warez from! URL: www.fat-cat.co.uk Dan. np. Metamatics - Dayglo Tinsel (District6) - like it lots!.

1999-03-19 12:08Graham VoiceApparently there is a CD compilation due out on the 29th of March called "Across Uneven Te

From:: Graham Voice <Graham@4hml.com>
To:: Idm \(E-mail\) <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 12:08:42 -0000
Subject:: (idm) Fat Cat

Apparently there is a CD compilation due out on the 29th of March called "Across Uneven Terrain" with tracks by Transient Waves, Mice Parade and Funkstorung. Should be good then.. Graham

1999-03-19 13:28giles.ward@postoffice.co.ukI picked up the CD-R promo of this last week.. it's not bad.. the Ae remix of someone soun

From:: <giles.ward@postoffice.co.uk>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 13:28:20 +0000
Subject:: Re: (idm) Fat Cat

I picked up the CD-R promo of this last week.. it's not bad.. the Ae remix of someone sounds like a Jeff Mills stomper. To "Idm \(E-mail\)" <idm@hyperreal.org> cc (bcc: Giles Ward/POCL/POSTOFFICE) Hard Copy To Hard Copy cc From Graham Voice <Graham@4hml.com> Date 19/03/99 12:08 Subject (idm) Fat Cat Apparently there is a CD compilation due out on the 29th of March called "Across Uneven Terrain" with tracks by Transient Waves, Mice Parade and Funkstorung. Should be good then.. Graham

1999-03-26 08:13David Hodgsonhas anyone know the web site / email for Fat Cat records ?

From:: David Hodgson <dhodgson@microsoft.com>
To:: Idm \(E-mail\) <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 00:13:28 -0800
Subject:: (idm) fat cat

has anyone know the web site / email for Fat Cat records ?

1999-08-26 13:58cycle pathTo keep on with this one... re: didn't she used to work at their record store? no!!!...not

From:: cycle path <recyclepath@yahoo.com>
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Cc:: cycle path <recyclepath@yahoo.com>, daniel <daniel@eliteware.com>, <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 06:58:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject:: Re: (idm) Fat Cat (Was RE: Andrea Parker)

To keep on with this one... re: didn't she used to work at their record store? no!!!...not that i know of... and, re: 4. Fat Cat is not really into the crunchy/strange beat/dsp influenced electronics that has become popular in recent months (years?) FatCat have released quite a few IDM/crunchy/strange beat 12"s including two various artist 12s with remixes from Pole / Autechre / Funkstorung.... A Funkstorung 12" with remixes of Bjork.... A series of electronic based split 12s from artists including VVM, Third Eye Foundation, Req, Team Doyobi, Gescom to name a few...! Oh, and keep eyes peeled for future releases by Process, Dat Politics and Kid 606! :) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com

1999-08-26 14:34danielOn Thu, 26 Aug 1999, cycle path wrote: > To keep on with this one... > > re: didn't she us

From:: daniel <daniel@eliteware.com>
To:: cycle path <recyclepath@yahoo.com>
Cc:: <cognition@canada.com>, <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 09:34:40 -0500 (CDT)
Subject:: Re: (idm) Fat Cat (Was RE: Andrea Parker)
Reply to:: Re: (idm) Fat Cat (Was RE: Andrea Parker)

On Thu, 26 Aug 1999, cycle path wrote:

quoted 15 lines To keep on with this one...

> To keep on with this one... > > re: didn't she used to work at their record store? > > no!!!...not that i know of... > > and, re: > > 4. Fat Cat is not really into the crunchy/strange beat/dsp influenced > electronics that has become popular in recent months (years?) > > FatCat have released quite a few IDM/crunchy/strange beat 12"s > including two various artist 12s with remixes from Pole / Autechre / > Funkstorung.... > A Funkstorung 12" with remixes of Bjork....

I agree they have released a few things. But their sound cannot really be compared to schematic or any of the smiliar type labels. I am not saying they are not into electronic sounds. They tend to lean towards the more experimental side of the spectrum. They are also really into noise it seems (Merzbow,Amm, Janik Schaefer etc..). Even the various artists remixes sounded more like Various artists than the remixers. The Funkstorung 12" though does fit into the IDM/crunchy/strange beat territory.

quoted 2 lines A series of electronic based split 12s from artists including VVM,

> A series of electronic based split 12s from artists including VVM, > Third Eye Foundation,

both of which I consider more noise oriented than not.

quoted 1 line Req

>Req

req is really under appreciated. But I thik this once again fits into another category. That of experimental hip hop. Which the label seems to have a thing for (see Live Human). just seems to me that when Fat Cat does something the releases are more left field... but all that could be personal bias. either way it is nice to finally see some talk about this label. -daniel Head Monkey Mad Monkey Records http://monkey.eliteware.com

1999-08-26 14:42daniell@demon.netI think this is what Fat Cat is about though; not being Pigeon holed. It was the same thin

From:: <daniell@demon.net>
To:: <daniel@eliteware.com>, <recyclepath@yahoo.com>
Cc:: <cognition@canada.com>, <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 15:42:53 +0100
Subject:: RE: (idm) Fat Cat

I think this is what Fat Cat is about though; not being Pigeon holed. It was the same think with the shop, you could say they where a Techno outlet, but they had just as much ambient/d&b/post-rock etc to stop that. I think they are building the label around an image, rather than a sound, even thought each artist and record sounds very disimilar you can see who it fits into the Fat Cat scheme of things. Just my 2 pence worth... But I want to know; when is the web site going to be updated?... (www.fat-cat.co.uk) Dan. *********************** I agree they have released a few things. But their sound cannot really be compared to schematic or any of the smiliar type labels. I am not saying they are not into electronic sounds. They tend to lean towards the more experimental side of the spectrum. They are also really into noise it seems (Merzbow,Amm, Janik Schaefer etc..). Even the various artists remixes sounded more like Various artists than the remixers. The Funkstorung 12" though does fit into the IDM/crunchy/strange beat territory.

quoted 2 lines A series of electronic based split 12s from artists including VVM,

> A series of electronic based split 12s from artists including VVM, > Third Eye Foundation,

both of which I consider more noise oriented than not.

quoted 1 line Req

>Req

1999-08-26 14:46david turgeon> just seems to me that when Fat Cat does something the releases are more > left field...

From:: david turgeon <david@evolutiontech.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 10:46:21 -0400
Subject:: Re: (idm) Fat Cat (Was RE: Andrea Parker)

quoted 3 lines just seems to me that when Fat Cat does something the releases are more

> just seems to me that when Fat Cat does something the releases are more > left field... but all that could be personal bias. > either way it is nice to finally see some talk about this label.

i think i like the idea behind fatcat more than the music that they put out. every so often i'll buy something from them which i'll like (the recent s^jn side of a split 12" & the various artists 12"s come to mind) but i don't really care for most of their other acts (at least from what i've heard on 'across uneven terrain'.) too much british post rock, which i think is even more painful to listen to than american post rock (which is already quite a pain for all i'm concerned, but let's not start _that_ thread). they're a label where you're usually better off listening first, then buying. however, the music is always quality stuff, & i appreciate the fact that they're one of the few 'outsider' labels in the idm world, which, as daniel mentioned, don't stick to a certain genre & beat it to death but instead take chances on unknown acts which produce leftfield music. i don't like it doesn't mean it's not good. :) -- david

1999-08-26 19:43danieldavid@evolutiontech.com wrote: > i think i like the idea behind fatcat more than the music

From:: daniel <daniel@eliteware.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 14:43:09 -0500 (CDT)
Subject:: Re: (idm) Fat Cat (Was RE: Andrea Parker)
Reply to:: Re: (idm) Fat Cat (Was RE: Andrea Parker)

david@evolutiontech.com wrote:

quoted 10 lines i think i like the idea behind fatcat more than the music that they put

> i think i like the idea behind fatcat more than the music that they put >out. every so often i'll buy something from them which i'll like >but i don't really care for most of their other acts (at least from what > i've heard on 'across uneven terrain'.) too much british post rock, > which i think is even more painful to listen to than american post rock > (which is already quite a pain for all i'm concerned, but let's not > start _that_ thread). they're a label where you're usually better off > recent s^jn side of a split 12" & the various artists 12"s come to mind) > listening first, then buying. >

I agree. Conceptually I think that fat cat is one of the best labels out there. In some ways I have modeled mmr after them. IE the desire not to be easily classified (which I hope came across on the ETM comp). However, Fat Cat is more extreme in their process. Which leads to the try before you buy it premise. With some labels I buy on sight but I have never been able to do that with fat cat. You never know what you are going to get. But that is a strong attraction for me.

quoted 6 lines however, the music is always quality stuff, & i appreciate the fact that

> however, the music is always quality stuff, & i appreciate the fact that > they're one of the few 'outsider' labels in the idm world, which, as > daniel mentioned, don't stick to a certain genre & beat it to death but > instead take chances on unknown acts which produce leftfield music. i > don't like it doesn't mean it's not good. :) >

agreed. Even the items I did not like were done very well. Their noise releases have always left me cold but I am told by those into noise they are quite good. One thing I read recently was that the split series was going to be slowed down and concentration was going to be placed upon releasing 1 CD a month until December. I know that there is a forthcoming grain CD as well. -daniel

1999-08-26 20:02david turgeon> I agree. Conceptually I think that fat cat is one of the best labels out > there. In som

From:: david turgeon <david@evolutiontech.com>
To:: daniel <daniel@eliteware.com>
Cc:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 16:02:13 -0400
Subject:: Re: (idm) Fat Cat

quoted 7 lines I agree. Conceptually I think that fat cat is one of the best labels out

> I agree. Conceptually I think that fat cat is one of the best labels out > there. In some ways I have modeled mmr after them. IE the desire not to > be easily classified (which I hope came across on the ETM comp). However, > Fat Cat is more extreme in their process. Which leads to the try before > you buy it premise. With some labels I buy on sight but I have never been > able to do that with fat cat. You never know what you are going to get. > But that is a strong attraction for me.

one thing i think is going for them is the simple fact that once a subgenre dies, they don't go down the drain as well. i.e. if angular idm fans deserted the genre tomorrow to convert to post new age drill & bass, i doubt anyone'd be running to buy musik aus strom shares. on a long term scale, this is the most viable option. however, for the short term, i feel your pain, so to speak. without a clear niche that doesn't confuse music sellers & buyers, i wish you lots of luck & hope you have more perseverance than the average label-head. the fact that schematic & chocolate industries, for example, are so popular isn't so much because their music has some intrinsic quality (which is always subjective, thus debatable, matter), but rather because they are aimed at a certain genre & don't let go off it, & that this genre is, for one reason or another, particularly popular in the present. a more 'mainstream' example would be house or drum n bass labels. so long as your releases are decent & dancefloor-compatible, somebody will be willing to market them. (but that won't happen if your genre of choice isn't in much demand -- & to their credit, labels like the aforementioned schematic & c.i. managed to carve their niche themselves, even though they remain quite hermetic.) ahh, the mysterious ways of music marketing. -- david

1999-08-26 20:31danielDavid Turgeon wrote: > one thing i think is going for them is the simple fact that once a

From:: daniel <daniel@eliteware.com>
To:: david turgeon <david@evolutiontech.com>
Cc:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 15:31:02 -0500 (CDT)
Subject:: Re: (idm) Fat Cat
Reply to:: Re: (idm) Fat Cat

David Turgeon wrote:

quoted 9 lines one thing i think is going for them is the simple fact that once a

> one thing i think is going for them is the simple fact that once a > subgenre dies, they don't go down the drain as well. i.e. if angular > idm fans deserted the genre tomorrow to convert to post new age drill & > bass, i doubt anyone'd be running to buy musik aus strom shares. on a > long term scale, this is the most viable option. however, for the short > term, i feel your pain, so to speak. without a clear niche that doesn't > confuse music sellers & buyers, i wish you lots of luck & hope you have > more perseverance than the average label-head. >

I never really thought of it like that. But economically it does make sense (if your in it for the long haul). I have always assumed fat cat puts out the style of music they do because that is the kind of music they like (and I still beleive that; especially after I read a couple of interviews). We put out what we do because it is what we like(and enjoy). No more no less. Thanks for the luck btw. <snip>

quoted 4 lines the aforementioned schematic & c.i. managed to carve their niche

> the aforementioned schematic & c.i. managed to carve their niche > themselves, even though they remain quite hermetic.) > > ahh, the mysterious ways of music marketing.

I have wondered about this myself. I wonder how popular they really are. It is hard to judge their success from the viewpoint of the fish eyed lens the idm list utilizes. However, I think they carved their niche by having a good scene, live shows and support from major players (autechre etc..). I have loved what these guys are doing since day 1. Also, I have a feeling that they are pretty successful in Europe. Import sales help quite a bit. Schematic and CI are two of the labels I buy on site. (and have only been dissapointed once). lastly, even labels who put out one type of music have to re-invent themselves ever so often. A good example is warp. Compare their first releases to what they are putting out now. But even warp now days is becoming more diversified. -daniel

1999-08-26 20:29david turgeon> I never really thought of it like that. But economically it does make > sense (if your i

From:: david turgeon <david@evolutiontech.com>
To:: daniel <daniel@eliteware.com>
Cc:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 16:29:45 -0400
Subject:: Re: (idm) Fat Cat

quoted 6 lines I never really thought of it like that. But economically it does make

> I never really thought of it like that. But economically it does make > sense (if your in it for the long haul). I have always assumed fat cat > puts out the style of music they do because that is the kind of music they > like (and I still beleive that; especially after I read a couple of > interviews). We put out what we do because it is what we like(and enjoy). > No more no less. Thanks for the luck btw.

that's probably what they do, & all the better. :) but long-term solidity is a by-product of this way of doing things that shouldn't be overlooked. something to tell your banker when he's not sure whether to give you a loan.

quoted 4 lines lastly, even labels who put out one type of music have to re-invent

> lastly, even labels who put out one type of music have to re-invent > themselves ever so often. A good example is warp. Compare their first > releases to what they are putting out now. But even warp now days is > becoming more diversified.

in my opinion (feel free to correct me if my facts are wrong), warp has taken the most efficient route, on a purely commercial/marketing based point of view. first making their mark in an established genre (early 90's techno) then moving towards a more experimental approach (lucky them, it was right at the time when people were fed up with 'stupid' (as opposed to intelligent, you know?) forms of dance music) & of course, going for the artist-based approach which is compatible with popular media, all the while veering slowly away from the dancefloor. this probably ensured them a long, long life. -- david

1999-12-22 12:58Simon.Conway@chase.comdon't want to seem like a right sad bastard here [but there's no other option!] ---/ was f

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To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 12:58:38 +0000
Subject:: (idm) fat cat

don't want to seem like a right sad bastard here [but there's no other option!] ---/ was flicking throiugh me fat cat 12"s last night - up to number 38 at the moment - wondering whether the following cat. no's have been released: 13 20 24 27 if so - any info on what they are would be appreciated cheers simon. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2000-03-01 04:12IntermodalHello IDM'ers, I was just curious about how much of Fat Cat's back catalog is still in pri

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Date:: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 23:12:28 -0500
Subject:: (idm) Fat Cat

Hello IDM'ers, I was just curious about how much of Fat Cat's back catalog is still in print? Thanks, Mike Taylor -- 'No map of the world should be without Utopia' Oscar Wilde --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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