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1999-07-08 00:37Jeff Barszcz Re: (idm) []pusher & recommendations
1999-07-08 01:09gideon Re: (idm) []pusher & recommendations
└─ 1999-07-08 01:50Matthew Korfhage (idm) pushing squares
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1999-07-08 00:37Jeff BarszczAt 05:30 PM 7/7/99 -0700, you wrote: >>why don't DJs make their own fricken music instead
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Re: (idm) []pusher & recommendations
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At 05:30 PM 7/7/99 -0700, you wrote:
quoted 2 lines why don't DJs make their own fricken music instead of taking the credit>>why don't DJs make their own fricken music instead of taking the credit >>for someone else's.
Geez, that's fucking retarded.
quoted 3 lines man, this is obvious lamer flame-bait.>man, this is obvious lamer flame-bait. > >eric
Yep, and I took it. :) Jeff
1999-07-08 01:09gideon> At 05:30 PM 7/7/99 -0700, you wrote: >why don't DJs make their own fricken music instead
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Wed, 07 Jul 1999 18:09:39 -0700
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quoted 3 lines At 05:30 PM 7/7/99 -0700, you wrote:> At 05:30 PM 7/7/99 -0700, you wrote: >why don't DJs make their own fricken music instead of taking the credit >for someone else's.
Hmmm - I bet there are LOADS of DJs on this list... :) taking credit you say... do they? I think it's actually an indirect thing - it's the audience and the promoters that make the DJ the star and not the actual artist who made the tracks. It also has to do with the environment - clubs and raves and parties. I personally am not a big fan of DJs nor do I understand the whole hype that surrounds them - the club scene and all that... but I do respect art and I believe that what a DJ CAN do is ART (keyword... CAN) - but, I'd say that many DJs don't really take it to that level. I don't go to clubs nor to raves - so I don't have that background - I'm a musician and I go to see music and bands - although... in the last 6 months I've integrated 2 turntables into my rig (http://www.sonicwallpaper.com/images/live-setup.gif). I do believe that there are some DJs that would blow my mind with their skills and ability to create a rich soundscape - and yes I really want to see one! I'm working on my DJ skills at this time - but then again I'm using weird records that have nothing to do with dance music and most of them are for background noise and spoken word stuff. As electronic music proliferates into the world - more people will begin performing out and we should start seeing electronic performances in the DJ environment. I know this is happening some places - but it isn't as prevalent as a plain ole DJ. The DJ as an artist is something that just isn't true for all of them - synching beats is a talent - but I wouldn't go as far as some people do in terms of giving credit. I just saw IQU (was ICU - pronounced eye-coo) - 3 people: 1 keyboard player, 1 stand-up bassist and a DJ. The DJ was the SHIT! He was placing scratches in excellent places, he was working an MC303 (beats and blips) and working a sampler (Yamaha SU700) - AND he played guitar really well - now HE WAS an impressive DJ! And at the end of the day... just let the music play - who cares where it's from! -- Hasta, Gideon ............................................ Sonic Wallpaper http://www.sonicwallpaper.com http://www.mp3.com/sonicwallpaper Tragic Furniture http://www.mp3.com/tragicfurniture CatalystMedia Corporation http://www.CatalystMedia.com ............................................
1999-07-08 01:50Matthew KorfhageSongs/ Tracks: I just watched Down By Law for the first time yesterday, and was surprised
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Wed, 7 Jul 1999 18:50:11 -0700 (PDT)
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Songs/ Tracks: I just watched Down By Law for the first time yesterday, and was surprised to note that although the music was by John Lurie, the songs were by Tom Waits.... This aside, the "not a song" category is usually arbitrarily designated to any music/track that the listener ends up finding formally unsatisfying-- it's probably easier if you acquiesce to calling a song anything musical that somebody wants to put a name to and could possibly repeat (this is important, as far as I'm concerned). WORD on Clifford/Jazz/Electronica Clifford is not fusion jazz only to the extent that John Zorn is not Jazz; that is, it isn't stuck in the same tired routines, but does reference them consistently and does find most of its roots there. As long as you don't take the designation derogitorily, it's pretty accurate. If you meant weather report, yr being dishonest 'cos you don't like Gilberto. Why's everybody have the most problem with the next man's cheese (which Gilberto is only to a certain degree anyway). Curse Clifford and venerate DMX, which to my ears is the most annoying backwater horseshit I've ever heard. All it consists of is a bunch of lame in-jokes back-referenced in some pubescently clever fashion. Say what you will about Clifford Gilberto (like for instance the slightly unfair but partially accurate characterization as a loungy tj lite), but he never descends into the merely "clever". And why do the jazz dabblers in electronica always sound like such clueless old crones (Derek Bailey included, Ponga included)? M. If there's one thing I can't stand, it's up.