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Now that the IDMer hypothesis has been proven correct, perhaps Spooky can fill in the other equally predictable reply. ;-) NP: DJ Spooky - Synthetic Fury -----Original Message----- From: objet @ <lacanian@mindspring.com> To: Rodney Perkins <rdperkins@earthlink.net> Cc: Paul Moore <pdm@odetics.com>; idm@hyperreal.org <idm@hyperreal.org> Date: Tuesday, June 15, 1999 9:17 PM Subject: Re: (idm) a week in the life of dj spooky

quoted 12 lines rodney hypothesized:

>rodney hypothesized: > >> IDMer: "DJ Spooky sux, man. Art wank blah me know everything." >> Spooky: "You are caught in the simulacrum. You are representation of a >> representation, a bit floating in the digital sea. Word up, homeboy." > >the problem with dj spooky is threefold. > >1. desperate misunderstanding of Terminator X. >2. terminal misunderstanding of Brian Eno. >3. multiple and unforgivable misunderstandings of Jacques Derrida. >

I know this is almost as bad as bringing up the vinyl vs. cd or women in idm threads, but DJ Spooky is doing the diary at slate this week. Today he name drops Scanner and Ryoji Ikeda but I honestly can't work up the energy to try and read his obtuse ramblings. Check for yourself at http://www.slate.com/diary/99-06-14/diary.asp?iMsg=2 paul

the best part is when he drops a doc oct. line into his "tone poem" -Ma'er... On Tue, 15 Jun 1999, Paul Moore wrote:

quoted 9 lines I know this is almost as bad as bringing up the

> I know this is almost as bad as bringing up the > vinyl vs. cd or women in idm threads, but DJ Spooky > is doing the diary at slate this week. Today he name > drops Scanner and Ryoji Ikeda but I honestly can't > work up the energy to try and read his obtuse ramblings. > Check for yourself at http://www.slate.com/diary/99-06-14/diary.asp?iMsg=2 > > paul >

Of all the people that I would like to see sub to the list, it would have to be Paul Miller. I think IDM has the highest percentage (per capita) of DJ Spooky haters of any place on Earth (virtual or otherwise). The exchanges would be fun to say the least. For example." IDMer: "DJ Spooky sux, man. Art wank blah me know everything." Spooky: "You are caught in the simulacrum. You are representation of a representation, a bit floating in the digital sea. Word up, homeboy."

quoted 10 lines I know this is almost as bad as bringing up the

> I know this is almost as bad as bringing up the > vinyl vs. cd or women in idm threads, but DJ Spooky > is doing the diary at slate this week. Today he name > drops Scanner and Ryoji Ikeda but I honestly can't > work up the energy to try and read his obtuse ramblings. > Check for yourself at http://www.slate.com/diary/99-06-14/diary.asp?iMsg=2 > > paul > >

thanks it was a fun ,quick read... sp99 Paul Moore wrote:

quoted 8 lines I know this is almost as bad as bringing up the

> I know this is almost as bad as bringing up the > vinyl vs. cd or women in idm threads, but DJ Spooky > is doing the diary at slate this week. Today he name > drops Scanner and Ryoji Ikeda but I honestly can't > work up the energy to try and read his obtuse ramblings. > Check for yourself at http://www.slate.com/diary/99-06-14/diary.asp?iMsg=2 > > paul

quoted 3 lines doesn't matter if

> doesn't matter if > it's the IDM list or an MLA conference. >

Yeah, but which would you say is worse? :) I'll say MLA...at least on this list you'll get a few good music recs. I'll never forget (or recover from) attending a Lyle Lovette (sp) panel discussion at a Po-Mo conference... <shudder> laz

rodney hypothesized:

quoted 3 lines IDMer: "DJ Spooky sux, man. Art wank blah me know everything."

> IDMer: "DJ Spooky sux, man. Art wank blah me know everything." > Spooky: "You are caught in the simulacrum. You are representation of a > representation, a bit floating in the digital sea. Word up, homeboy."

the problem with dj spooky is threefold. 1. desperate misunderstanding of Terminator X. 2. terminal misunderstanding of Brian Eno. 3. multiple and unforgivable misunderstandings of Jacques Derrida. The story of his success is due to a perverse little equal-exchange situation. Philosophers get to think they're "streetwise" as well as well-versed in dialectic by listening to DJ Spooky's mindless "pastiche", while Paul D. Miller gets to think that his inappropriate sleevenote misquotings from Deleuze and Guattari actually provide a gravity to the music that the music itself simply doesn't have of its own accord...or rather, of its own sophomoric discord. DJ Spooky sucks at all levels. He's not "real", and he's not "scholarly" either. Then again, neither are the hack-endemics who actually give his work the time of day. Amazing what you can "accomplish" with a little name dropping (as Ae showed us so well so recently)...doesn't matter if it's the IDM list or an MLA conference. sr -- sd

quoted 6 lines the problem with dj spooky is threefold.

>the problem with dj spooky is threefold. >>1. desperate misunderstanding of Terminator X. >2. terminal misunderstanding of Brian Eno. >3. multiple and unforgivable misunderstandings of Jacques Derrida. >>The story of his success is due to a perverse little equal-exchange >situation.

I think his success is due to 2 great albums, "Viral Sonata" and "Songs of a Dead Dreamer," a great EP "Synthetic Fury", two great singles "Galactic Funk" and "Object Unknown", great remixes for Ben Neill and Metallica, an excellent live show (currently), an interesting DJ set (i saw him when he toured with Ben Neill, i had never seen anyone scratch dance music records before, or spin them backwards as hard as possible to buy time to grab a new record), some pretty good tracks on varoius compilations (the "Black Dada Nihilismus" with Amiri Baraka on "Offbeat", which was the first i had heard of him, had me hooked), and a decent (though imperfect) major-label debut. I wish people would be able to get beyond the crazy words that he might throw in front of this music, and just listen. It's good music, just live with the fact that a chatterbox hip intellectual made it. Yet, paging through my most recent spin magazine (Axl Rose on the cover?!?!?!), i see DJ Spooky listed as a panelist at a "Interactive Music Xpo" on the topic "Music: year 2010 perspective" (with co-panelists Mass. Inst of Technology and Microsoft). That would be one hell of a weird talk, the tech-heads talking about technology and DJ Spooky talking about sound philosophies. Interesting to note that this "Xpo" is co-sponsored by the RIAA, i'd think that the RIAA is for a lot of stuff the DJ Spooky is against (wouldn't he be all for public domain on music?). Just thought it looked weird. np: Chemical Brothers "Hey Boy Hey Girl" _________________________________ Adam Roesch / roesch@augsburg.edu University of Idaho / Moscow / ID / USA Visit my Fila Brazillia/Pork Recordings fan site: http://dogbert.augsburg.edu/~roesch/pork/ "Because success needs killing" TRICKY

At 08:18 PM 6/15/99 -0700, Moonlight wrote:

quoted 3 lines np: Chemical Brothers "Hey Boy Hey Girl"

> >np: Chemical Brothers "Hey Boy Hey Girl" >

Can you sleep at night? - wells oliver / s0ewoliv@titan.vcu.edu

Orwellian = of a level of authority and beaurocracy remniscent of the book "1984" Oliverwellsian = of a nature of deadpan delivery that carries undertones of cruel sarcasm, often trying to inspire over-emotional reactions from the likes of honestly-expressive persons who compose passionate email On Thu, 17 Jun 1999, wells wrote:

quoted 9 lines At 08:18 PM 6/15/99 -0700, Moonlight wrote:

> At 08:18 PM 6/15/99 -0700, Moonlight wrote: > > > >np: Chemical Brothers "Hey Boy Hey Girl" > > > > Can you sleep at night? > > - wells oliver / s0ewoliv@titan.vcu.edu >

Solenoid

my half-hearted defense of Spooky: He does name drop en vogue thinkers shamelessly and without direct relevance to the point he's making. His writings are basically dribble. But I give the guy major credit for at least attempting to bridge the gap between academia and electronic music in the mainstream press. Being intellectual was just not cool in Spin et al before he popped up. He may overstate his postmodern influences, but at least he acknowledges them rather than the artist who plays dumb and doesn't admit they're conscious of what they're doing. I think he brings more to the game than detracts from it. darren Rodney Perkins wrote:

quoted 24 lines Now that the IDMer hypothesis has been proven correct, perhaps Spooky can

> Now that the IDMer hypothesis has been proven correct, perhaps Spooky can > fill in the other equally predictable reply. ;-) > > NP: DJ Spooky - Synthetic Fury > > -----Original Message----- > From: objet @ <lacanian@mindspring.com> > To: Rodney Perkins <rdperkins@earthlink.net> > Cc: Paul Moore <pdm@odetics.com>; idm@hyperreal.org <idm@hyperreal.org> > Date: Tuesday, June 15, 1999 9:17 PM > Subject: Re: (idm) a week in the life of dj spooky > > >rodney hypothesized: > > > >> IDMer: "DJ Spooky sux, man. Art wank blah me know everything." > >> Spooky: "You are caught in the simulacrum. You are representation of a > >> representation, a bit floating in the digital sea. Word up, homeboy." > > > >the problem with dj spooky is threefold. > > > >1. desperate misunderstanding of Terminator X. > >2. terminal misunderstanding of Brian Eno. > >3. multiple and unforgivable misunderstandings of Jacques Derrida. > >