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quoted 4 lines now, don't get me wrong, i'm not against vinyl...i own several

> now, don't get me wrong, i'm not against vinyl...i own several > myself, but i just find that i listen to my CDs alot more than > vinyl... >

Many people seem to think vinyl sounds better since the dynamic range of cds @ 44khz is only 20Hz-22,000 Hz. A vinyl record with a pure analog amplifier (especially a tube-amp) produces sound with many VERY subtle frequency overtones outside of this range often referred to as 'warmth' or 'brightness'. Its noticable only to the most sophisticated of listeners and left unchecked provides the logic Hi-end audiophiles use to justify a non-CD analog-vinyl setup that can easily run over $50,000 to $200,000.. Of course these are the same people who lay their carpet down in their house so the warp and weft of the carpet stitchings are parallel to direction of the sound coming out of their $90,000 speakers and believe that $50/piece ceramic hockey pucks left around the room increase the "fullness" of the sound, so keep that in mind. 95% of humans cant hear above 20,000Hz anyway so its 6 of one and a half dozen of the other concerning quality. I buy vinyl mostly because I have no alternative ( AFX HABs, old 45s, anything on SKAM etc) and if it needs to go with me Ill burn it to CD or DAT or 8-track cassette or Edison-wax cylinder etc... I mix very little and work on my computer most of the time so flipping records gets old when im trying to work, leaving CDs to provide 80% of my entertainment ernie Ernesto Ikerd, (817) 763-4795 Company Graphics, Dept 17 Lockheed Martin Tactical Aircaft Systems Fort Worth, Texas

On Friday, 19-Jun-98, Brad Berger wrote [about (idm) vinyl]:

quoted 3 lines being mainly a CD listener, i've yet to figure out exactly why so

> being mainly a CD listener, i've yet to figure out exactly why so > many people listen to (and prefer) vinyl over CDs...to me, vinyl is > an inconvenience, especially since i like to take my music with me...

well you mention the main reason below.. so I can mix the stuff.. now I could buy some things on cd's and some on vinyl, but it's just a pain in the ass. besides who knows, if I won't want to dj some idm stuff? and it's a pain to buy things in both cd/vinyl and it gets expensive. I used to do that. like when girl/boy ep came out, I bought it on both cd and vinyl. eventually i sold the cd.

quoted 2 lines what i figure to be the main reason is so that turntable dj's can mix

> what i figure to be the main reason is so that turntable dj's can mix > them, but what about the home listener that doesn't do any mixing?

well I can't answer that, I do mixing. Personally I like the sounds of vinyls better, there's a certain warmth to them that even the cd counterparts do not have. It's most likely something to do with the digital recording process, and the mastering, etc. for CD production.

quoted 4 lines i am also familiar with traditionalist anti-CD sentiments (esp those

> i am also familiar with traditionalist anti-CD sentiments (esp those > worded by negativland in their anti-CD essay), but am curious as to > know how many IDMers listen to vinyl as a matter of tradition as > opposed to practicality...

To me vinyls are more practical, coz my turntables are right there.. I can put whatever track on, when I want to, and jump to whatever point in a track I want to instantly, where on cd I have to get up and move to the cd player and open the door, take the cd that's in there out and put it in the case, and then take another cd put it in, and check the hard to read number on the door, and then make sure it's the right one.. plus it takes ages for the carosell(sp) to turn and get to the right cd, and then for the cd to read.. it's just my opinion that I like listening to vinyls better.. I do listen to cd's, and lately I've gotten into the practice of changing formats pretty quickly/easily.. whereas before I would almost never play a cd.

quoted 3 lines now, don't get me wrong, i'm not against vinyl...i own several

> now, don't get me wrong, i'm not against vinyl...i own several > myself, but i just find that i listen to my CDs alot more than > vinyl...

well.. you are always going to listen to your more dominant format more.. I have very few cd's, and some of them kick MAJOR ass, but rarily I would ever listen to them.. until lately.. I've got a crop of things in my cd changer that i turn on now and again, when I want to hear it.. .auddplte <-- spawn soundtrack. roni size track (pretty nice imo) __ __\ \ / /_\ \ 1cQ<->uIN \_____/ 1.3777993 "..in whatever you do, if you can't break new ground, what's the point?" - James Cameron

Brad Berger wrote:

quoted 2 lines [I] am curious as to know how many IDMers listen to vinyl as a

> [I] am curious as to know how many IDMers listen to vinyl as a > matter of tradition as opposed to practicality...

I listen to vinyl as a matter of "some of my favorite artists release some of their music only in this format, so I have to buy it that way." If I could get it on CD, I would, in an instant. That said, I often record the vinyl I purchase onto MiniDisc, so I don't have to play the actual artifact all that often. -- Adam J Weitzman NewsEdge Corporation Welcome to my signature. http://www.newsedge.com Please wipe your feet. http://www.newspage.com

On Fri, 19 Jun 1998, Adam J Weitzman wrote:

quoted 2 lines That said, I often record the vinyl I purchase onto MiniDisc, so I don't

> That said, I often record the vinyl I purchase onto MiniDisc, so I don't > have to play the actual artifact all that often.

that said, i'm curious: as i will be purchasing my first minidisc unit in a day or two (a sharp 701, for those interested), i wonder what the best way to record from vinyl/tape to minidisc is. i've got a few ideas, some of them seem silyy, but it think they may work, but i'm curious as to the experienced masses' opinions. * #### a disturbance in a system. #### laerm. @voicenet.com #### we decide what's wrong or right, we'd rather lose than fight/we're going down/without us you don't get no kicks, without us you do not exist/we are going down

SHUT UP! SHUT UP! SHUT UP! SHUT UP! WE ARE NOT GOING ALL OVER THIS AGAIN. NEW PEOPLE CHECK THE ARCHIVES FOR EVERYTHING YOU COULD POSSIBLY WANT TO KNOW ABOUT VIYNL VS. CD'S. I know this is harsh, but I am speaking for hundreeds of people right now. thank you. gonzi.

On Friday, 19-Jun-98, Gonzi Merchan wrote [about Re: (idm) vinyl]:

quoted 1 line SHUT UP! SHUT UP! SHUT UP! SHUT UP!

>SHUT UP! SHUT UP! SHUT UP! SHUT UP!

quoted 2 lines WE ARE NOT GOING ALL OVER THIS AGAIN. NEW PEOPLE CHECK THE ARCHIVES FOR

>WE ARE NOT GOING ALL OVER THIS AGAIN. NEW PEOPLE CHECK THE ARCHIVES FOR >EVERYTHING YOU COULD POSSIBLY WANT TO KNOW ABOUT VIYNL VS. CD'S.

yep.. well or about 100 of the other threads that reoccur on here every few months __ __\ \ / /_\ \ 1cQ<->uIN \_____/ 1.3777993 "..in whatever you do, if you can't break new ground, what's the point?" - James Cameron

I think it could be time for an IDM FAQ. Any volunteers? ;) I may attempt such an endeavor, but yipes. What an undertaking, I don't know if I have time. BTW, where does the voice on papua new guinea come from? On Fri, 19 June 1998, at 18:12:56, GamePrg. wrote:

quoted 8 lines On Friday, 19-Jun-98, Gonzi Merchan wrote [about Re: (idm) vinyl]:

> On Friday, 19-Jun-98, Gonzi Merchan wrote [about Re: (idm) vinyl]: > >SHUT UP! SHUT UP! SHUT UP! SHUT UP! > > >WE ARE NOT GOING ALL OVER THIS AGAIN. NEW PEOPLE CHECK THE ARCHIVES FOR > >EVERYTHING YOU COULD POSSIBLY WANT TO KNOW ABOUT VIYNL VS. CD'S. > > yep.. well or about 100 of the other threads that reoccur on here every few > months

On Friday, 19-Jun-98, foo chicken wrote [about Re: (idm) vinyl]:

quoted 4 lines I think it could be time for an IDM FAQ.

>I think it could be time for an IDM FAQ. >Any volunteers? ;) >I may attempt such an endeavor, but yipes. >What an undertaking, I don't know if I have time.

I would be willing to do it.. but I dunno where to start.. maybe everyone can send some suggestions of all the things that should be in the FAQ. __ __\ \ / /_\ \ 1cQ<->uIN \_____/ 1.3777993 "..in whatever you do, if you can't break new ground, what's the point?" - James Cameron

basically, I'd do it like this: go through the entire IDM archive, and pull out the interested bits. make the following sections in the faq: 1) The "I" in IDM would basically re-iterate the list welcome message. 2) history the history of IDM. certainly not definitive by any means, but hopefully to become the best history of electronic music. newcomers to the list should know who kraftwerk is (I didn't), and other "important stuff" pertaining to our history. 3) recurring threads, religious wars, stuff NOT to post on vinyl vs. cd would go here 4) labels sections on warp, rephlex, skam, and other godly labels worthy of worship ;) 5) artists sections on ae (of course), black dog, atom heart, and other artists this would help on "is artist-a also artist-b?" and who is really behind artist-a? 6) essentials all the top albums, artists and "songs that make you cry" lists would go here. would include the official results of IDM polls as well as informal queries. this is last, because it should be read last. 7) other resources websites, zines, reviews, other mailing lists, etc There would be no Aphex Twin in the artists section, as he has his own faq, which would just be mentioned in place. yes, it is a huge undertaking. is it worth it? probably. I'm willing to help, as I wouldn't mind reading the archives The only way to make the history part work is if we all team up. Otherwise, it'll be His-Story :) (I say "his" because of history. its a pun. I didn't make it up) --brett On Fri, 19 June 1998, at 20:57:18, GamePrg. wrote:

quoted 4 lines I would be willing to do it..

> I would be willing to do it.. > > but I dunno where to start.. maybe everyone can send some suggestions of > all the things that should be in the FAQ.

being mainly a CD listener, i've yet to figure out exactly why so many people listen to (and prefer) vinyl over CDs...to me, vinyl is an inconvenience, especially since i like to take my music with me... what i figure to be the main reason is so that turntable dj's can mix them, but what about the home listener that doesn't do any mixing? i am also familiar with traditionalist anti-CD sentiments (esp those worded by negativland in their anti-CD essay), but am curious as to know how many IDMers listen to vinyl as a matter of tradition as opposed to practicality... now, don't get me wrong, i'm not against vinyl...i own several myself, but i just find that i listen to my CDs alot more than vinyl... -brad

At 03:54 PM 6/19/98 -0600, you wrote:

quoted 3 lines being mainly a CD listener, i've yet to figure out exactly why so

> > being mainly a CD listener, i've yet to figure out exactly why so > many people listen to (and prefer) vinyl over CDs...

maybe 30% of the better music comes out on vinyl only. you don't see many cds from labels like skam, musik aus strom, mask, v/vm, markant, axodya, schematic, isophlux, chocolate industries, carpet bomb, erotic city comm, etc... sometimes if you want the music you have to buy vinyl. the reason many of these items are vinyl-only is because of financial considerations. you can press way more records than cds for the same price. another reason for the love of vinyl is that you have speed control. you can play record at 33, 45 and many speeds inbetween. often a song will sound better at a different speed. you don't usually have that option with cd. -->-Lance--- p.o. box 450715 westlake, ohio 44145 united states

On Fri, 19 Jun 98 15:54:20 CST, you wrote:

quoted 2 lines but am curious as to know how many IDMers listen to vinyl as

>but am curious as to know how many IDMers listen to vinyl as >a matter of tradition as opposed to practicality...

Ooh, nice thread! Personally, I buy a mixture of CD and vinyl. In some cases, I'll even buy the same album/single on CD *and* vinyl. Why? Well, there's a number of reasons: 1) There are many releases you can only get on vinyl. Ie, most of the stuff on Skam, Musik aus Strom, and countless others. If I limited myself to just CD purchases, then I'd miss out on the vast majority of great stuff that's out there. 2) Personally, I think vinyl has a 'warmer' sound than CD. Sure, there's a bit of vinyl crackle on there, but that's always been a part of this sort of music. I bought the Boards of Canada album on CD and vinyl. The CD version I'll probably play most, because it's more convenient, but the vinyl version does sound a lot 'richer' and 'warmer'. It's hard to describe, but sometimes CD just sounds a bit too clinical. After all, the original sound has been diced and spliced into digital components, whereas on vinyl you get the full analogue treatment. When FSOL's 'Accelerator' first came out, I could only find a vinyl copy. I lived with that for ages, until last year I decided to buy the CD version, just in case it was due for deletion. Somehow, the CD version didn't sound as 'warm' as the vinyl. 3) Vinyl packaging is much nicer -- the artwork always looks better. I much prefer to hold a heavy slice of vinyl in a large, sturdy and well-illustrated cover than a small plastic disc tucked away in a flimy plastic case with microdot graphics and text. So, those are my reasons. The majority of stuff I buy is on CD, but I still buy a lot of vinyl. I buy all Warp singles on CD and vinyl -- CD for convenience and vinyl for the warmer sound. If one gets damaged beyond repair, I can always rely on the other. At the end of the day, just stick with what you know. If you prefer the clean sound of CD over crackly vinyl, then that's fine -- after all, it's your enjoyment of the music that counts, no-one elses. /\/)ark http://www.sonance.demon.co.uk/

Lance C. McGannon wrote:

quoted 3 lines the reason many of these items are vinyl-only is because

> the reason many of these items are vinyl-only is because > of financial considerations. you can press way more records > than cds for the same price.

speaking as one who has pressed his own vinyl, i know the costs very well. vinyl is no cheaper than CD to produce. Jon Drukman jsd@gamespot.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Plan: Eat right, exercise regularly, die anyway.

On Friday, 19-Jun-98, Jon Drukman wrote [about Re: (idm) vinyl]:

quoted 2 lines speaking as one who has pressed his own vinyl, i know the costs very

>speaking as one who has pressed his own vinyl, i know the costs very >well. vinyl is no cheaper than CD to produce.

I thought it was even more expensive to produce vinyl. (??) __ __\ \ / /_\ \ 1cQ<->uIN \_____/ 1.3777993 "..in whatever you do, if you can't break new ground, what's the point?" - James Cameron

I listen to CDs. This is not really a choice of asthetics but simply because my CD player is better than my record player, and i'm not about to go buy a record player when I can just keep that money and buy more CD's. Besides they're relativly portable and all my friends have CD players. THe only people I know who've got record players are some DJ's I know. And why they stick to the records as opposed to CD's? I assume it's the same reason as why I stick to the CD's. Until some famous person declares that DJing with CDs is cool I think records will remain at the front of dj technology. However i'm not really thinging of scratch dj's, thats totally different. But simply mixing two records together kinda DJs.

quoted 15 lines being mainly a CD listener, i've yet to figure out exactly why so

> being mainly a CD listener, i've yet to figure out exactly why so > many people listen to (and prefer) vinyl over CDs...to me, vinyl is > an inconvenience, especially since i like to take my music with me... > what i figure to be the main reason is so that turntable dj's can mix > them, but what about the home listener that doesn't do any mixing? > i am also familiar with traditionalist anti-CD sentiments (esp those > worded by negativland in their anti-CD essay), but am curious as to > know how many IDMers listen to vinyl as a matter of tradition as > opposed to practicality... > now, don't get me wrong, i'm not against vinyl...i own several > myself, but i just find that i listen to my CDs alot more than > vinyl... > > -brad >

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GamePrg. wrote:

quoted 6 lines On Friday, 19-Jun-98, Jon Drukman wrote [about Re: (idm) vinyl]:

> > On Friday, 19-Jun-98, Jon Drukman wrote [about Re: (idm) vinyl]: > >speaking as one who has pressed his own vinyl, i know the costs very > >well. vinyl is no cheaper than CD to produce. > > I thought it was even more expensive to produce vinyl. (??)

depends on how fancy you want to get. certainly 4 color sleeves and colored vinyl and "audiophile quality" vinyl and other assorted weirdness could make it cost more. a stack of raw 12"s with paper sleeves (and no jackets) are pretty much identical in cost to a stack of CDs with no packaging jewel box, art, etc. -- Jon Drukman jsd@gamespot.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Plan: Eat right, exercise regularly, die anyway.

I'm a vinyl junkie. To me the bass is richer, the tones are warmer, the highs are crisper and the crackling adds an almost-live-organic feel. The definite drawback is the size. My apartment is too small for all my wax. Lately I've had to limit my new vinyl acquisitions to only the stuff I will definitely spin (I don't have pitch control CD players). For listening I usually make my own compilations, put them on DAT, and use my walkman. They're light, hold 2 hours of custom tailored music each and sound better than CDs. If I had all the room I needed for my music I'd try to get it all on vinyl and install a DAT player in my car. I can dream can't I? One practical advantage of vinyl when mixing is that you can visually predict when the record will breakdown, go into some ambience or progress to the next section. I guess with CDs you could just know the timing of the tracks. Disc Jockey. Digital Jockey. Who cares as long as you rip it! NP: Slowly -- "On the loose" (Autechre's for internal use only mix) Pedro Cevallos -- http://www.cat.net/~cevallos/ _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

quoted 2 lines On Friday, 19-Jun-98, Gonzi Merchan wrote [about Re: (idm) vinyl]:

>On Friday, 19-Jun-98, Gonzi Merchan wrote [about Re: (idm) vinyl]: >SHUT UP! SHUT UP! SHUT UP! SHUT UP!

quoted 2 lines WE ARE NOT GOING ALL OVER THIS AGAIN. NEW PEOPLE CHECK THE ARCHIVES FOR

>WE ARE NOT GOING ALL OVER THIS AGAIN. NEW PEOPLE CHECK THE ARCHIVES FOR >EVERYTHING YOU COULD POSSIBLY WANT TO KNOW ABOUT VIYNL VS. CD'S.

quoted 2 lines yep.. well or about 100 of the other threads that reoccur on here every

>yep.. well or about 100 of the other threads that reoccur on here every >few months

Just don't read it if you've heard it all before (although someone may come along and say something you didn't know - it could happen!) Mailing lists are not just for people who've been reading them for a long time. You just put off newcomers with that kind of attitude. Surely it is better to point out the existence of the archives as a helpful gesture? But if people still want to discuss it now they have every right to. Cheers, Jonny

i'm new to this whole vinyl thing, as i just got my first record, PanSonic's "B". My question is, how do i know what speed to play it at? it sounds like it could be both 33 or 45. thanks sam _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

On 24 May 99, Sam Stein wrote re: (idm) vinyl:

quoted 2 lines how do i know what speed to play it

> how do i know what speed to play it > at? it sounds like it could be both 33 or 45.

ha ha //cough// splutter //. Yes, quite. WHY don't they just print it on the label? Just spin it at both and see which >feels< right... I * np : MASK 2 track 4, oh glorious thing!! *** you can also mail me at <lime909@hotmail.com> ***

At the risk of sounding like a moron: I sympathize with you. I'd been playing Autechre's "Envane" on vinyl at 33.3 rpm. for months. I kept thinking after a while, "Damn, I can't remember this album being so funky." That was until this cat told me I was playing it at the wrong speed. I still think it kicks ass at 33.3rpm. The best way to figure out what speed it's suposed to be played at (if it isn't obvious just from listening to it) is find someone with a CD copy (*cringe*) and listen to the first 30 seconds. Best, -Ma'er...

quoted 3 lines i'm new to this whole vinyl thing, as i just got my first record,

> i'm new to this whole vinyl thing, as i just got my first record, > PanSonic's "B". My question is, how do i know what speed to play it > at? it sounds like it could be both 33 or 45.

its a shame that record players dont all come with a 25 rpm mode or something, cos loads of stuff sounds much better slow...like in-sync : the calling....absolutely amazing at 33...(cheers graham) Maer Ben-Yisrael wrote:

quoted 22 lines At the risk of sounding like a moron:

> At the risk of sounding like a moron: > > I sympathize with you. I'd been playing Autechre's "Envane" > on vinyl at 33.3 rpm. for months. I kept thinking after a while, > "Damn, I can't remember this album being so funky." > That was until this cat told me I was playing it > at the wrong speed. > > I still think it kicks ass at 33.3rpm. > > The best way to figure out what speed it's suposed to be > played at (if it isn't obvious just from listening to it) > is find someone with a CD copy (*cringe*) and listen to > the first 30 seconds. > > Best, > > -Ma'er... > > > i'm new to this whole vinyl thing, as i just got my first record, > > PanSonic's "B". My question is, how do i know what speed to play it > > at? it sounds like it could be both 33 or 45.

I took a Technics SL-1500 (not a 1200, but worth maybe $50) and cut one of the connections to the speed adjustment and added a linear-taper 100k potentiometer and got a very accurate ultra-slow range: try it yourself. You can still use the normal range because you have "course" and "fine" adjustments. Solenoid On Tue, 25 May 1999, martin wood wrote:

quoted 29 lines its a shame that record players dont all come with a 25 rpm mode or

> its a shame that record players dont all come with a 25 rpm mode or > something, cos loads of stuff sounds much better slow...like in-sync : the > calling....absolutely amazing at 33...(cheers graham) > > Maer Ben-Yisrael wrote: > > > At the risk of sounding like a moron: > > > > I sympathize with you. I'd been playing Autechre's "Envane" > > on vinyl at 33.3 rpm. for months. I kept thinking after a while, > > "Damn, I can't remember this album being so funky." > > That was until this cat told me I was playing it > > at the wrong speed. > > > > I still think it kicks ass at 33.3rpm. > > > > The best way to figure out what speed it's suposed to be > > played at (if it isn't obvious just from listening to it) > > is find someone with a CD copy (*cringe*) and listen to > > the first 30 seconds. > > > > Best, > > > > -Ma'er... > > > > > i'm new to this whole vinyl thing, as i just got my first record, > > > PanSonic's "B". My question is, how do i know what speed to play it > > > at? it sounds like it could be both 33 or 45. >

quoted 3 lines its a shame that record players dont all come with a 25 rpm mode or

> its a shame that record players dont all come with a 25 rpm mode or > something, cos loads of stuff sounds much better slow...like in-sync : the > calling....absolutely amazing at 33...(cheers graham)

i've seen an old turntable that came with 16 rpm & (obviously) 78 rpm switches, as well as the usual 33/45 combo. however, its sound is pretty damn crappy & the thing cannot really used for anything other than noise, so i don't know if there's specific models which can still be used today. however, it makes some records sound quite outerworldish. an old womack & womack 45, for example, can sound quite dark & menacing at 16 rpm. & as for 78, that's instant drum n bass or instant hardcore for ya. i'm beginning to think that no one should put the "right" bpm on abstract electronic records. it's always so subject to interpretation. plus it's like having 2 records in one (or 4 if you have the 16/78 switch). -- david turgeon at http://www.notype.com

definitely, music is subjective anyway....im looking forward to the integration of java into embedded systems, so that you can write your own controller for digital (and analogue as well, i spose) devices...being able to tweak the cd-players error correction algorithm has got to be a good thing... sorry ....going off on one a bit.... david turgeon wrote:

quoted 21 lines its a shame that record players dont all come with a 25 rpm mode or

> > its a shame that record players dont all come with a 25 rpm mode or > > something, cos loads of stuff sounds much better slow...like in-sync : the > > calling....absolutely amazing at 33...(cheers graham) > > i've seen an old turntable that came with 16 rpm & (obviously) 78 rpm > switches, as well as the usual 33/45 combo. however, its sound is > pretty damn crappy & the thing cannot really used for anything other > than noise, so i don't know if there's specific models which can still > be used today. however, it makes some records sound quite > outerworldish. an old womack & womack 45, for example, can sound quite > dark & menacing at 16 rpm. > > & as for 78, that's instant drum n bass or instant hardcore for ya. > > i'm beginning to think that no one should put the "right" bpm on > abstract electronic records. it's always so subject to interpretation. > plus it's like having 2 records in one (or 4 if you have the 16/78 > switch). > > -- > david turgeon at http://www.notype.com

On Tue, 25 May 1999, Graham Voice wrote:

quoted 7 lines Talking about messed up record speeds I was tempted the other day by a

> > Talking about messed up record speeds I was tempted the other day by a > very interesting item. Basically someone had taken an old Beach Boys > track (Good Vibrations if memory serves) and played it at 1 rpm on a > specially adapted turntable. The resultant "noise" was then released as > a CD album, sounding a bit like Pee Namlook no doubt. (Awaiting Anti-Fax > flames as we speak)

stock, hausen and walkmen did this. I beleive it was only released as a 7 inch single. It was done for a sound installation. I have been meaning to get this..

quoted 2 lines Question - The Two Lone Swordsmen mix of Ganger's Trilogy, 33 or 45?

> Question - The Two Lone Swordsmen mix of Ganger's Trilogy, 33 or 45? >

I think I play this at 45. Will have to check tonight.. -daniel Head Monkey Mad Monkey Records http://monkey.eliteware.com

quoted 10 lines Talking about messed up record speeds I was tempted the other day by a

> > Talking about messed up record speeds I was tempted the other day by a > > very interesting item. Basically someone had taken an old Beach Boys > > track (Good Vibrations if memory serves) and played it at 1 rpm on a > > specially adapted turntable. The resultant "noise" was then released as > > a CD album, sounding a bit like Pee Namlook no doubt. (Awaiting Anti-Fax > > flames as we speak) > > stock, hausen and walkmen did this. I beleive it was only released as a 7 > inch single. It was done for a sound installation. I have been meaning > to get this..

I've heard it. Have a friend who has it, and he brought it over and we plunked it down. It's not recorded all that well or something, but it's not very interesting. I was really disappointed, since I had heard such good things about SH&W. However, I realize it's a concept piece so I can't judge them based on that. Packaging is really cool, though. Oh, and the B-side is at 2 rpm.

Andrew Hime wrote:

quoted 9 lines I've heard it. Have a friend who has it, and he brought it over and we

> I've heard it. Have a friend who has it, and he brought it over and we > plunked it down. It's not recorded all that well or something, but it's > not very interesting. I was really disappointed, since I had heard such > good things about SH&W. However, I realize it's a concept piece so I can't > judge them based on that. Packaging is really cool, though. > > Oh, and the B-side is at 2 rpm. > >

this is not how stock, hausen and walkman sound. Recommendations: SH&W-My Bag CD/LP SH&W-Empty Box 10 Inch Dummy Run - self titled CD* SH&W-brocoloi 7 inch SH&W-7 inch release on slut smalls with a killer anthony childs song on the flip side. *dummy run is either an alias for sh&w or parts of sh&w are involved. Either way it is great. what they do with the sampler is amazing. -daniel Head Monkey Mad Monkey Records http://monkey.eliteware.com

quoted 5 lines i've seen an old turntable that came with 16 rpm & (obviously) 78 rpm

>i've seen an old turntable that came with 16 rpm & (obviously) 78 rpm >switches, as well as the usual 33/45 combo. > [...] it makes some records sound quite >outerworldish. an old womack & womack 45, for example, can sound quite >dark & menacing at 16 rpm.

A friend grew up on a faulty pressing of the 'Ghostbusters' single, which had the instrumental on both sides, and which he would always play at 16 instead of 45. (Not much room to grow up on a 7" piece of vinyl, I hear you cry! ;-) Mind you, his Mum had electroacoustic records he listened to as well, so maybe he never made a distinction in kind between the two... That'd be good for a blind test: 80s pop hit at 1/3rd speed or 70s electroacoustic composition at normal speed?

quoted 1 line i'm beginning to think that no one should put the >"right" bpm on abstra

>i'm beginning to think that no one should put the >"right" bpm on abstract electronic records. it's >always so subject to interpretation.

Well, if you intend something to be listened to at a certain speed, I don't see the harm in saying so. It's not like you're saying "and if you don't play it at that speed, I'll kill ya!" is it? Michael Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com

As a vinyl fan, I had to post. Apologies to the lists if this has already dispersed..... Peter "Waldo Semon, the inventor of vinyl has died, at the age of 100." np: toshoklabs presents: " dated" ( sorry, too lazy for umlauts ) bpm0@interport.net, Peter Becker fax: 718-246-6870 , attention "Becker, Box 282" mailing adress: 138 Court St. , Box 282 , Brooklyn, NY 11201