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1999-03-06 03:30Marc 3 Poirier (idm) V/Vm "Pig" 7" review
├─ 1999-03-06 03:47Andrew Hime Re: (idm) V/Vm "Pig" 7" review
├─ 1999-03-06 17:32v/vm (idm) feeding time
└─ 1999-03-07 21:22Ben Coffer Re: (idm) V/Vm "Pig" 7" review
└─ 1999-03-07 21:44zimbo Re: (idm) V/Vm "Pig" 7" review
1999-03-07 00:01Marc 3 Poirier Re: (idm) feeding time
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1999-03-06 03:30Marc 3 PoirierI'm going to try my hand at a couple reviews, basically because I've gotten the feeling th
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I'm going to try my hand at a couple reviews, basically because I've gotten the feeling that several people have wanted to see more reviews of the new V/Vm releases, & V/Vm stuff in general since it's all so limited, expensive, inaccessable, etc. I'll do their "Pig" 7" first. I'll say now that I am a V/Vm fan & I've gotten every record that they've put out, but this is the worst record I've ever gotten by anyone, & the most disappointing one, well, you know, since I've liked everything else so much. It's not that there's some loss in their song-making abilities, since there of no songs on here anyway, but it's what this release is all about. I was honestly pretty excited about it, hearing that it would be a record entirely of pig music, but it's not. It's a short, unintelligible interview with Uncle Ernie followed by about 10 minutes of recordings of pigs being slaughtered. Maybe such horrendous insensitivity on the part of V/Vm could have been expected by me, considering their history of calling themselves butchers & having mutilated little old songs about meat on past releases, but I wasn't really sure if those things were parallels to their mockery (& savoring) of the crassness of the terrible old songs they find & abuse, the meat stuff being a mockery of a sort of crassness in their society. No. And despite V/Vm's history of making themselves out to be readical people, with stuff about evolution, experimentalism, musical pioneering, & so forth littering their record inserts, their not radical people at all in such an extremely fundamental way. They completely support violent, hierarchical society (at least from a speciesist slant) & the institutionalized destruction of the lives of those with less social power than them that goes along with that. Then they have fun with that & make a record reveling in it. Yeah, so this is rather hideous record. I couldn't finish listening to it, it made me cold all over, & now I'm just really depressed. Marc Poirier
1999-03-06 03:47Andrew HimeYou know, I'd think the intent with the "Pig" record would be the exact opposite, not to g
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You know, I'd think the intent with the "Pig" record would be the exact opposite, not to glorify the meat industry, but to defile it, or to portray it in an accurate light. I haven't heard the release, but I don't feel they're glorifying the destruction of life so brutally, as you suggest.
1999-03-06 17:32v/vm"the recordings of pigs made on vvmPIG were taken from field recordings of 2000 pigs at fe
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"the recordings of pigs made on vvmPIG were taken from field recordings of 2000 pigs at feeding time. when pigs become excited and happy they have a tendancy to emit a high pitched screams.(just ask your local pig farmer) at no point during recordings were any animals slaughtered. please when reading any reviews of vvmPIG substitute the word SLAUGHTERED with FEEDING and draw your own conclusions." uncle ernie.
1999-03-07 21:22Ben CofferIn message <3.0.5.32.19990305223029.007a29f0@virtu.sar.usf.edu>, Marc 3 Poirier <mpoirier@
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In message <3.0.5.32.19990305223029.007a29f0@virtu.sar.usf.edu>, Marc 3 Poirier <mpoirier@virtu.sar.usf.edu> writes
quoted 2 lines Yeah, so this is rather hideous record. I couldn't finish listening to> Yeah, so this is rather hideous record. I couldn't finish listening to >it, it made me cold all over, & now I'm just really depressed.
Yep. Me neither. A really outstandingly terrible record. I wish I didn't have it and had never heard it. Horrible. (and i like other vvm stuff) -- Ben Coffer http://www.hybridgame.demon.co.uk/
1999-03-07 21:44zimboOn Sun, 7 Mar 1999, Ben Coffer wrote: > In message <3.0.5.32.19990305223029.007a29f0@virtu
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On Sun, 7 Mar 1999, Ben Coffer wrote:
quoted 7 lines In message <3.0.5.32.19990305223029.007a29f0@virtu.sar.usf.edu>, Marc 3> In message <3.0.5.32.19990305223029.007a29f0@virtu.sar.usf.edu>, Marc 3 > Poirier <mpoirier@virtu.sar.usf.edu> writes > > Yeah, so this is rather hideous record. I couldn't finish listening to > >it, it made me cold all over, & now I'm just really depressed. > > Yep. Me neither. A really outstandingly terrible record. I wish I didn't > have it and had never heard it. Horrible. (and i like other vvm stuff)
i think its fun and funny in a really gross and annoying way :) reminds a lot of the inside track of coil/boyd rice's sickness of snakes ("the pope held upseide down"?). its a record of pig sounds, what the hell did you guys expect? hehe/ maybe something like the dogs barking to the theme of jingle bells? chris/ i am not pig. i am not farmer. i am not snort. music, four pig pails: wednesdays 7-8pm kuci 88.9fm www.kuci.org "chicks dig farm animals"
1999-03-07 00:01Marc 3 PoirierUncle Ernie wrote: > "the recordings of pigs made on vvmPIG were taken from field > record
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Uncle Ernie wrote:
quoted 6 lines "the recordings of pigs made on vvmPIG were taken from field> "the recordings of pigs made on vvmPIG were taken from field > recordings of 2000 pigs at feeding time. when pigs become excited and > happy they have a tendancy to emit a high pitched screams.(just ask > your local pig farmer) at no point during recordings were any animals > slaughtered. please when reading any reviews of vvmPIG substitute the > word SLAUGHTERED with FEEDING and draw your own conclusions."
Big apologies for perpetuating this mistruth. I didn't start it myself (I know I read it somewhere else at some point between ordering the "Pig" 7" & receiving it, & the pig meat chart cover for the 7" seemed to me to correspond with that idea), but it really affected my perception of the record. It seems pigs really do make freeky sounds even when they're doing alright. Sorry. Emm, so I think you'll have to do a little more than replace "slaughtered" with "feeding" to make my review make sense now, but... Yes, sorry. Marc Poirier (first & last time I write a record review)