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1999-03-04 22:09Jeff (idm) Autechre "clones"
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1999-03-04 22:09JeffI have noticed that alot of people have been complaining about artist trying to be an Aute
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I have noticed that alot of people have been complaining about artist trying to be an Autechre knock off (eg. Funkstorung, anything on the MaS and Schematic labels). I think it is unjustified. When Drum and Bass first started coming out and Goldie was at the top of his game, were there not alot of artist who sounded like Goldie?! Just look at all the types of Drum and Bass artist and category's that have been created. My point being is although Autechre were the pioneers of this "type" or "sound" of music the artist who follow are not necessarily Autechre clones. The Autechre sound is now part of a large list of sub-category's under the term "IDM". In my opinion Autechre have been breaking new ground with every release which opens the door to new artist putting a new twist to this sub-category of IDM. Just a comment from the Peanut Gallery.
1999-03-04 22:12laermOn Thu, 4 Mar 1999, Jeff wrote: > I have noticed that alot of people have been complaining
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On Thu, 4 Mar 1999, Jeff wrote:
quoted 5 lines I have noticed that alot of people have been complaining about> I have noticed that alot of people have been complaining about > artist trying to be an Autechre knock off (eg. Funkstorung, anything on > the MaS and Schematic labels). I think it is unjustified. When Drum and > Bass first started coming out and Goldie was at the top of his game, > were there not alot of artist who sounded like Goldie?!
dude, if you think goldie are the end-all and be-all of drum'n'bass, buy some more records. * #### a disturbance in a system. #### laerm. @voicenet.com ##:# it's not a case of doing what's right/it's just the way i feel that matters/tell me i'm wrong/i don't really care icq: 5562209
1999-03-04 22:49szalemandre> I have noticed that alot of people have been complaining about > artist trying to be an
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quoted 12 lines I have noticed that alot of people have been complaining about> I have noticed that alot of people have been complaining about > artist trying to be an Autechre knock off (eg. Funkstorung, anything on > the MaS and Schematic labels). I think it is unjustified. When Drum and > Bass first started coming out and Goldie was at the top of his game, > were there not alot of artist who sounded like Goldie?! Just look at > all the types of Drum and Bass artist and category's that have been > created. My point being is although Autechre were the pioneers of this > "type" or "sound" of music the artist who follow are not necessarily > Autechre clones. The Autechre sound is now part of a large list of > sub-category's under the term "IDM". In my opinion Autechre have been > breaking new ground with every release which opens the door to new > artist putting a new twist to this sub-category of IDM.
although i would agree with your statement in so far as applying it to any other area of music. and here's why i don't think it's applicable to "IDM" or whatever you want to call it. (now, this merely my opinion, and it may be unsupported, but this is how i feel.) every _form_ of music is evolving obviously. but i feel electronic music in general to be evolving _music itself_, taking the whole thing with it. furthermore, i feel the "IDM" sect of electronic (and non-electronic i suppose) music to be the main shaping force/tool. so i also place a lot more responsibility on the makers of "IDM". (there must be another term.) and when i say IDM, i mean music that you can _listen_ to. anyway, when differnt areas of "IDM" start to sound alike, that means it's slowing down. there are richard james's, autechres, black dogs, vulvas, etc etc, (way back to throbbing gristles, etc etc), but when new artists start sounding like old artists, it means it's all slowing down. you can easily listen to a track and say "oh, that's afx", "that's autechre", "that's boards of canada". but a lot of these newer artists don't have such a distinctive style. it's easy to say "hey, is this a new aphex track?" and your friend replies "nope. it's Joey FastTimes. pretty cool, ain't it?" i generally feel that if you're not doing something new with music, if you're not speaking with your own voice, or not at the very least taking an existing 'sound' and pushing it, don't speak at all. i admit that it's elitist. but so what? i guess this sounds pretty much like bullshit, but whatever. i just think the last couple months have been rather tedious as far as music goes. nothing's really been like "BLAM!". i hope it changes up soon. ok, i'm done. -eric ps. a plug for my friend adam: http://www.doubtful.com/artists/fingernail/index.html really quite different music. here's a new review of his album that agrees: http://www.electronicmusic.com/features/reviews/music/homegrown/sobackwards.html --- eric sherman szale@doubtful.com doubtful productions www.doubtful.com
1999-03-05 11:41Irene McCOn 4 Mar 99, szalemandre wrote re: Re: (idm) Autechre "clones": > but when new artists sta
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On 4 Mar 99, szalemandre wrote re: Re: (idm) Autechre "clones":
quoted 2 lines but when new artists start sounding like old artists, it means it's> but when new artists start sounding like old artists, it means it's > all slowing down.
At this point I just have to quote the Nothing release sticker that came on the shrinkwrap of Ae5 : "It's a bloody miracle that Sheffield duo Autechre have any fans at all ... they seem to revel in making life as difficult as possible for themselves whenever possible ... their uncompromisingly experimental stance has become a rallying point for those who still believe it's alternative music's duty to explore uncharted territory whatever the perils." >>> NME I *
1999-03-04 22:36Will Samuels---Jeff <loki9@sympatico.ca> wrote: > > I have noticed that alot of people have been compl
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---Jeff <loki9@sympatico.ca> wrote:
quoted 3 lines I have noticed that alot of people have been complaining about> > I have noticed that alot of people have been complaining about > artist trying to be an Autechre knock off (eg. Funkstorung, anything
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quoted 1 line the MaS and Schematic labels). I think it is unjustified. When Drum> the MaS and Schematic labels). I think it is unjustified. When Drum
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quoted 9 lines Bass first started coming out and Goldie was at the top of his game,> Bass first started coming out and Goldie was at the top of his game, > were there not alot of artist who sounded like Goldie?! Just look at > all the types of Drum and Bass artist and category's that have been > created. My point being is although Autechre were the pioneers of this > "type" or "sound" of music the artist who follow are not necessarily > Autechre clones. The Autechre sound is now part of a large list of > sub-category's under the term "IDM". In my opinion Autechre have been > breaking new ground with every release which opens the door to new > artist putting a new twist to this sub-category of IDM.
I agree that Autechre keeps putting out superb releases. I don't think i have ever been disappointed by any of their releases. Well, maybe Gescom - Motor (Source).... I wasn't that fond of that 12". They are the best and do consistently push new ground!! Alot of people are trying to sound just like Autechre. I can certainly see why they would want to sound as good as them. I would prefer that people "innovate rather than immitate". When there are alot of people copying the same style rather than innovating it just seems to water everything down. It no longer becomes interesting after a point. It hasn't gotten that way for me yet, but it's getting close. On a related note, Neil Landstrumm recently complained that almost everyone out there is copying Mills. He was sick of everyone caning Mills sound and was trying to push people to be more innovative and start exploring new territory. I think Mills is awesome, but the whole minimal techno thing has gotten too big. I love the hearing that shit mixed really well, awesome to dance to and you can be really creative mixing it up. BUT there are just too many records out there that are just boring. I have a hard time finding good and distinct minimal records. Personally I never liked Goldie. I think it was hearing his stuff that turned me off jungle for a while. I remember my friend Ben and I use to hate alot of early jungle with divas or chipmunk vocals. I think the first jungle thing i ever got into was Squarepusher's remix of Dj Food. And then from there I got into Squarepusher, and Photek. Which lead to Source Direct, Arcon 2, No U-Turn, etc. etc. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
1999-03-04 23:28Dr. Smith"brian r." wrote: > >> I can't wait till next week for the new Source Direct. Any reviews?
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quoted 5 lines I can't wait till next week for the new Source Direct. Any reviews???> >> I can't wait till next week for the new Source Direct. Any reviews??? > > gave it a quick listen yesterday at work, and i > was honestly not that impressed...seemed like > pretty conventional stuff.
I'd agree. I've had a promo copy in my changer all week, and it hasn't hit me too hard. Pretty standard fare, not even too "breaksy" just a lot of Atmospheric noises + bass swoops + beats = entire CD. I've heard comparisons with photek, but IMHO photek blows SD out of the water. I dunno, I could be biased, but I wasn't impressed with this release. -Andrew -- Propecia: Are you taking enough? http://www.calvin.edu/~asmith89/
1999-03-05 00:20James R McPherson>i generally feel that if you're not doing something new with music, if >you're not speaki
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quoted 5 lines i generally feel that if you're not doing something new with music, if>i generally feel that if you're not doing something new with music, if >you're not speaking with your own voice, or not at the very least >taking >an existing 'sound' and pushing it, don't speak at all. >
I think it's rather unfair to make that statement - what artists are pushing the boundaries and which are not? Is it all in the eye of the beholder? My "pushing" artists will most likely be different than yours. And that is a good thing. But, why must the music be qualified as "progressing" or not? Some songs may not be envelope pushing but still solid. J Majik's Innervisions album was hardly breaking new ground, but I found it to be one of the most satisfying releases of last year. On the other hand, Main's Robert Hampson certainly is pushing the boundaries of sound, which I can appreciate, but I find it rather tedious and disinteresting. I don't want to start a whole personal taste discussion again, but some statements seem a bit slighting to the artists who certainly have given me a lifetime of pleasure, and probably yourselves also. And I am not trying to be over-reactive or pushy. Forgive me if that is the overall tone of the posting. A query while I am at it : Does anyone know where I can find a complete discography of RIchard Brown/Beaumont Hannant? Thanks ahead of time .... J np: the sweet sounds of Dynamo Kiev drawing Real Madrid!!!!!!! ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]
1999-03-05 02:05MobileWann@aol.comIn a message dated 3/4/99 3:11:23 PM Mountain Standard Time, loki9@sympatico.ca writes: >
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In a message dated 3/4/99 3:11:23 PM Mountain Standard Time, loki9@sympatico.ca writes:
quoted 14 lines I have noticed that alot of people have been complaining about> I have noticed that alot of people have been complaining about > artist trying to be an Autechre knock off (eg. Funkstorung, anything on > the MaS and Schematic labels). I think it is unjustified. When Drum and > Bass first started coming out and Goldie was at the top of his game, > were there not alot of artist who sounded like Goldie?! Just look at > all the types of Drum and Bass artist and category's that have been > created. My point being is although Autechre were the pioneers of this > "type" or "sound" of music the artist who follow are not necessarily > Autechre clones. The Autechre sound is now part of a large list of > sub-category's under the term "IDM". In my opinion Autechre have been > breaking new ground with every release which opens the door to new > artist putting a new twist to this sub-category of IDM. > > Just a comment from the Peanut Gallery.
Less attentive people could even accuse autechre of being aphex clones. It's all bullshit really. ~crtrdge
1999-03-05 02:06MobileWann@aol.comIn a message dated 3/4/99 3:12:53 PM Mountain Standard Time, laerm@voicenet.com writes: >
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In a message dated 3/4/99 3:12:53 PM Mountain Standard Time, laerm@voicenet.com writes:
quoted 8 lines I have noticed that alot of people have been complaining about> > I have noticed that alot of people have been complaining about > > artist trying to be an Autechre knock off (eg. Funkstorung, anything on > > the MaS and Schematic labels). I think it is unjustified. When Drum and > > Bass first started coming out and Goldie was at the top of his game, > > were there not alot of artist who sounded like Goldie?! > > dude, if you think goldie are the end-all and be-all of drum'n'bass, buy > some more records.
But he was just saying how was saying it was unjustified. He wasn't promoting the idea that goldie is the "end all/ be all" of d&b. ~crtrdge
1999-03-05 02:08laermOn Thu, 4 Mar 1999 MobileWann@aol.com wrote: > But he was just saying how was saying it wa
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On Thu, 4 Mar 1999 MobileWann@aol.com wrote:
quoted 2 lines But he was just saying how was saying it was unjustified. He wasn't> But he was just saying how was saying it was unjustified. He wasn't > promoting the idea that goldie is the "end all/ be all" of d&b.
hm, perhaps. if so, i withdraw my comment. * #### a disturbance in a system. #### laerm. @voicenet.com ##:# it's not a case of doing what's right/it's just the way i feel that matters/tell me i'm wrong/i don't really care icq: 5562209
1999-03-05 02:08JeffPlease note that when I was talking about Goldie I did not mean I like him. Personally I h
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Please note that when I was talking about Goldie I did not mean I like him. Personally I hate most of his stuff (especially anything with vocals). I was just refering to the fact that he and Metalheadz were a major factor in putting d'n'b on the map. The current drum and bass artist out there are by far much better than a few years ago. Source Direct, Photek, Optical, Grooverider, Klute..... are top notch d'n'b. I can't wait till next week for the new Source Direct. Any reviews???
1999-03-05 03:53Sebastian HerrfurthHi, On Thu, 4 Mar 1999, Jeff wrote: > I can't wait till next week for the new Source Direc
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Hi, On Thu, 4 Mar 1999, Jeff wrote:
quoted 1 line I can't wait till next week for the new Source Direct. Any reviews???> I can't wait till next week for the new Source Direct. Any reviews???
I'm waiting, too. I can't give you a review, but I listened to the three one-sided promos that came out some month ago and if the are good examples for the album, you should expect daaark stuff! Some reviews I read (all German unfortunately) say they're still using the Amen break, but hey, they do on most (all ?) of their tracks and with only some exceptions, they're just great. CU Sebastian (Friday 5th, 5 am. 3 days and some hours to wait :-) -- Sebastian Herrfurth (seher@cs.tu-berlin.de) pages for Bernd Friedmann / Riz Maslen / Daniel Meier / DJ Krush / ... at http://user.cs.tu-berlin.de/~seher/music.html
1999-03-05 15:17Howard ShihOn Fri, 5 Mar 1999, Sebastian Herrfurth wrote: > I'm waiting, too. > I can't give you a re
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quoted 22 lines I'm waiting, too.> I'm waiting, too. > I can't give you a review, but I listened to the three one-sided promos > that came out some month ago and if the are good examples for the album, > you should expect daaark stuff! > Some reviews I read (all German unfortunately) say they're still using > the Amen break, but hey, they do on most (all ?) of their tracks and with > only some exceptions, they're just great. > > CU > > Sebastian > > (Friday 5th, 5 am. 3 days and some hours to wait :-) > > -- > Sebastian Herrfurth (seher@cs.tu-berlin.de) > > pages for Bernd Friedmann / Riz Maslen / Daniel Meier / DJ Krush / ... > at http://user.cs.tu-berlin.de/~seher/music.html > > >
1999-03-05 02:11MobileWann@aol.comIn a message dated 3/4/99 3:44:06 PM Mountain Standard Time, octorock@doubtful.com writes:
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In a message dated 3/4/99 3:44:06 PM Mountain Standard Time, octorock@doubtful.com writes:
quoted 3 lines i generally feel that if you're not doing something new with music, if> i generally feel that if you're not doing something new with music, if > you're not speaking with your own voice, or not at the very least taking > an existing 'sound' and pushing it, don't speak at all.
if everyone aheard to this rule then nobody would do anything ever. I'd say about 90% of musicians out there are living in the shadows of others, that's the way it always will be.. not everybody can be innovative like you'd like them to be, that's a totally idealistic way of seeing things, and although maybe it might be nice, theoretically, it's not realistic. Just let people do what they want, there will always be innovators. ~crtrdge
1999-03-05 16:44Nate Harrison \[Toshok Laboratories\]Amen! People don't generally sit down and creat music to up the ante in some battle of who
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Amen! People don't generally sit down and creat music to up the ante in some battle of who can out-innovate who (well some may), they create music becasue it's fun to do! They take joy in it! Whatever gets you off, do that. If scattering breaks gets you off do that. If mimicking Ae gets you off, do that. If that sound of a washing machine gets you off, record it. Ae are amazingly talented IMHO; having fans who recognize their innovations is merely a by-product of their endeavors. They make music, as everyone should, for themselves. peace Nate On Thu, 4 Mar 1999 MobileWann@aol.com wrote:
quoted 16 lines In a message dated 3/4/99 3:44:06 PM Mountain Standard Time,> In a message dated 3/4/99 3:44:06 PM Mountain Standard Time, > octorock@doubtful.com writes: > > > i generally feel that if you're not doing something new with music, if > > you're not speaking with your own voice, or not at the very least taking > > an existing 'sound' and pushing it, don't speak at all. > > if everyone aheard to this rule then nobody would do anything ever. I'd say > about 90% of musicians out there are living in the shadows of others, that's > the way it always will be.. not everybody can be innovative like you'd like > them to be, that's a totally idealistic way of seeing things, and although > maybe it might be nice, theoretically, it's not realistic. Just let people do > what they want, there will always be innovators. > > ~crtrdge >
1999-03-05 17:22eric hill>> > i generally feel that if you're not doing something new with music, if >> > you're no
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quoted 6 lines i generally feel that if you're not doing something new with music, if>> > i generally feel that if you're not doing something new with music, if >> > you're not speaking with your own voice, or not at the very least taking >> > an existing 'sound' and pushing it, don't speak at all. >> >> if everyone aheard to this rule then nobody would do anything ever. I'd say >> about 90% of musicians out there are living in the shadows of others, that's
who are these people who have been able to completely detach themselves from all they've experienced, from everything that they'd draw upon when making music? all musicians participate in the history of music, though whether their path through it is recognizable or not seems to be the issue here - to idolize artists who are better at hiding their influences. i don't know where this idea of "artists who are trying to emulate autechre" came from, is there an interview somewhere where someone says that that's what they're doing: _trying_ to copy someone else? it's pretty mean to speak for an artist or a band in this way, to assume their motivations. the only way i can figure someone might come to this conclusion is if they are paying attention to the surface aspects of music with the mind of reducing the thing they are listening to what they think it sounds _like_, and deciding for themselves that intentional similarity is what's going on. the problem with this is that you have to think of the musician as someone who is trying to copy someone else while trying to sound different at the same time. subtracting the bitterness of the original poster, this just sounds like someone exercising their influences. eric
1999-03-05 19:31szalemandre> Amen! People don't generally sit down and creat music to up the ante in > some battle of
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quoted 8 lines Amen! People don't generally sit down and creat music to up the ante in> Amen! People don't generally sit down and creat music to up the ante in > some battle of who can out-innovate who (well some may), they create music > becasue it's fun to do! They take joy in it! Whatever gets you off, do > that. If scattering breaks gets you off do that. If mimicking Ae gets you > off, do that. If that sound of a washing machine gets you off, record it. > Ae are amazingly talented IMHO; having fans who recognize their > innovations is merely a by-product of their endeavors. They make music, as > everyone should, for themselves.
i too make music for myself. however, when i write a song that easily sounds like a less-good version of someone else, i kind of sink a little bit and it becomes a throwaway track. i may as well have taken a book and crossed out the author's name and replaced it with mine. that's the way i feel. even if no one else ever has to hear it, it still makes me feel like i cheated. and i can't imagine how anyone else would ever feel differently. to me, it's like the kid on class who cheats on the exam and is proud of himself when he gets an A. what the hell? (of all of the electronic musicians i personally know (and there aren't a whole lot of them to tell the truth in philadelphia) they all feel the same way.) -eric --- eric sherman szale@doubtful.com doubtful productions www.doubtful.com
1999-03-05 02:19MobileWann@aol.comIn a message dated 3/4/99 5:22:22 PM Mountain Standard Time, andregurov@juno.com writes: >
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In a message dated 3/4/99 5:22:22 PM Mountain Standard Time, andregurov@juno.com writes:
quoted 9 lines i generally feel that if you're not doing something new with music, if> >i generally feel that if you're not doing something new with music, if > >you're not speaking with your own voice, or not at the very least > >taking > >an existing 'sound' and pushing it, don't speak at all. > > > I think it's rather unfair to make that statement - what artists are > pushing the boundaries and which are not? Is it all in the eye of the > beholder? My "pushing" artists will most likely be different than yours. > And that is a good thing.
another good reason why we cannot adhear to such idealistic rules, not everyone will agree. It simply goes against human nature. ~crtrdge
1999-03-05 05:30brian r.>> I can't wait till next week for the new Source Direct. Any reviews??? gave it a quick l
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quoted 1 line I can't wait till next week for the new Source Direct. Any reviews???>> I can't wait till next week for the new Source Direct. Any reviews???
gave it a quick listen yesterday at work, and i was honestly not that impressed...seemed like pretty conventional stuff. brian
1999-03-05 11:24ibss@ukrpack.netSorry for intervening. My opinion is that there can be no Ae clones - impossible to copy s
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Sorry for intervening. My opinion is that there can be no Ae clones - impossible to copy something without form, everchanging and alien. They are not idm. They are Ae. Devoted Ae fan.
quoted 2 lines np: the sweet sounds of Dynamo Kiev drawing Real Madrid!!!!!!!> > np: the sweet sounds of Dynamo Kiev drawing Real Madrid!!!!!!!
Wow! Thanx! Glad to hear that. Where are you from and why hails to Dynamo? Devoted Dynamo Kyiv fan.
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1999-03-05 23:42Will Samuels---"Nate Harrison [Toshok Laboratories]" <nate@toshoklabs.com> wrote: > > Amen! People don
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---"Nate Harrison [Toshok Laboratories]" <nate@toshoklabs.com> wrote:
quoted 2 lines Amen! People don't generally sit down and creat music to up the ante> > Amen! People don't generally sit down and creat music to up the ante
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quoted 1 line some battle of who can out-innovate who (well some may), they create> some battle of who can out-innovate who (well some may), they create
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quoted 1 line becasue it's fun to do!> becasue it's fun to do!
I think there are indeed artists that do try to innovate. Photek and Autechre for example. I don't think one has to necessarily innovate to make music, although it would be my preference that they would. When making music i think it is best to stay away from musical cliches. The crunch beat or whatever you want to call it is starting to be kind of cliche for IDM. I like the sound but when every starts to do it....
quoted 2 lines They take joy in it! Whatever gets you off, do> They take joy in it! Whatever gets you off, do > that. If scattering breaks gets you off do that. If mimicking Ae
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quoted 1 line off, do that. If that sound of a washing machine gets you off,> off, do that. If that sound of a washing machine gets you off,
record it. I have a few friend that do make music and they try to not sound predictable or copy someone else's style. Sure it can be fun to experiment and try to sound like your biggest influences at home. I don't think they would ever dream of releasing stuff that sounds like a blantant immitation of someone else's style or sound.
quoted 2 lines Ae are amazingly talented IMHO; having fans who recognize their> Ae are amazingly talented IMHO; having fans who recognize their > innovations is merely a by-product of their endeavors. They make
music, as
quoted 1 line everyone should, for themselves.> everyone should, for themselves.
I think just about everyone on the list would agree that Ae are amazingly talented. I agree that everyone should feel free and make music, I just don't think it's a good idea to mimic anyone else's style. It's totally fine to be very influenced by Ae, just don't try and sound like them. Do something more original and experiment with making your own style. Cheers _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com