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1999-02-23 08:51Chester Blaze (idm) Re: idm-digest V2 #541
1999-02-23 08:58Chester Blaze (idm) Re: idm-digest V2 #541
1999-02-23 09:03Chester Blaze (idm) Re: idm-digest V2 #541
└─ 1999-02-23 15:04Nate Harrison \[Toshok Laboratories\] Re: (idm) Re: idm-digest V2 #541
1999-02-23 09:25Will Samuels Re: (idm) Re: idm-digest V2 #541
├─ 1999-02-23 14:00alan r lucas Re: (idm) Re: idm-digest V2 #541
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└─ 1999-02-23 16:00Greg Clow Re: (idm) Re: idm-digest V2 #541
└─ 1999-02-24 11:46Irene McC (idm) Leila (not K)
1999-02-23 09:44Will Samuels Re: (idm) Re: idm-digest V2 #541
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1999-02-23 08:51Chester Blazerephlex just puts out silly crap? what the hell is wrong with you? HAB is just ok - not wh
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rephlex just puts out silly crap? what the hell is wrong with you? HAB is just ok - not what you expected? that is your problem - when you live with expectations you live a life full of disappointments. Aphex does it for himself - fuck everyone else - if you like it great - if you don't, don't buy it and go on to someone who suits your needs. ----------
quoted 5 lines From: idm-digest-owner@hyperreal.org (idm-digest)>From: idm-digest-owner@hyperreal.org (idm-digest) >To: idm-digest@hyperreal.org >Subject: idm-digest V2 #541 >Date: Mon, Feb 22, 1999, 4:33 PM >
quoted 51 lines Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 10:08:58 -0800 (PST)> Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 10:08:58 -0800 (PST) > From: Will Samuels <w_technoir@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: (idm) Aphex Twin- "Window Licker" > > - --DzrtMusic@aol.com wrote: >> >> Is anyone taking this release seriously? I saw the > real video of > the Window Licker video,.. I sincerely > hope that video was only a > front to fool people into > thinking the whole ep is going to be shit. > Seems > more like Aphex milking his fans for all their worth > > (economically fucking them up the ass) before he >> goes on his vacation from the music biz. Richard > James's music > has had a deep impact on many of us,.. > sure he thinks he's being > funny giving everyone the > "I don't give a fuck about what you think" > routine. > Seems like simple immaturity and inconsideration to > me.. > > I agree. The quality of his music has gone down big time. All his > older stuff is great and most of it still sounds fresh. The HAB eps > were ok, not nearly as good as i would have hoped...but interesting. > the Milkman song is pretty weak. > > That whole Come to Daddy ep was pretty weak. I mean sure it amusing > that he did something like that. But it gets old quick. I prefer the > video over the actual song. The only track that I really like is IZ-US > a 2 minute track on that CD. That's the only reason I might ever pull > that cd out. > > Rephlex as a label just puts out silly crap for the most part. > >> There are many of you who will cheer him on as he > makes funny > things happen with the umbrella. I > reserve a special moment of > disapointment just for > those people. > > I certainly don't get excited when I hear about new releases by him > anymore. He went from being one of my favorite artists to someone I am > only sort of interested in...just to see if he will snap out of his > streak of silly shit and hopefully start doing meaningful music again. > > There are too many really awesome electronic artists out there now to > really even care about Aphex Twin (if he continues to do just ok > quality stuff). > >>From a guy that was all talk in the beginning of his career, about how > he could put out a 100 lps a year. You would think he could put out at > least one good album a year and all the silly shit he wants to do also. > > If he is retiring (which I don't think he is). It's probably for the > best. > > > _________________________________________________________
1999-02-23 08:58Chester BlazeHe is quiting music to write computer programs to make music - ---------- >From: idm-diges
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He is quiting music to write computer programs to make music - ----------
quoted 5 lines From: idm-digest-owner@hyperreal.org (idm-digest)>From: idm-digest-owner@hyperreal.org (idm-digest) >To: idm-digest@hyperreal.org >Subject: idm-digest V2 #541 >Date: Mon, Feb 22, 1999, 4:33 PM >
quoted 8 lines If he is retiring (which I don't think he is). It's probably for the> >>If he is retiring (which I don't think he is). It's probably for the >>best. > > Yeah, I think we will be seeing signs of RDJ here and there. > I know that he will be doing on remixes for various > artists. Some of those remixes have started to pop up > and they are on his Rephlex label.
1999-02-23 09:03Chester BlazeCarl Craig? above squarepusher and µ-zig - give me a break. ---------- >From: idm-digest-o
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Carl Craig? above squarepusher and µ-zig - give me a break. ----------
quoted 5 lines From: idm-digest-owner@hyperreal.org (idm-digest)>From: idm-digest-owner@hyperreal.org (idm-digest) >To: idm-digest@hyperreal.org >Subject: idm-digest V2 #541 >Date: Mon, Feb 22, 1999, 4:33 PM >
quoted 15 lines I think the RDJ is good, but not as good as alot of his older material.> I think the RDJ is good, but not as good as alot of his older material. > >> Who will be the next smarty techno godfather to be > torn down by > the IDM mafia? Paradinas, Jeffs, or > Jenkinson? > > Paradinas has always been hit and miss. > > Chris Jeffs hasn't released enough stuff to be considered a idm > godfather. > > With Jenkinson, I was getting really sick of the drill n bass stuff. > I am glad that he took a little departure from that. > > Carl Craig is still one of the best IDM-ish artists around IMHO. I > wish he would put more stuff out.
1999-02-23 15:04Nate Harrison \[Toshok Laboratories\]IMHO I would rank Carl Craig above Squarepusher and Muziq, especially in terms of consiste
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IMHO I would rank Carl Craig above Squarepusher and Muziq, especially in terms of consistent output.. But then again I'm from the Detroit area, nuff said. But TJ and MP are dope too... peace Nate On Tue, 23 Feb 1999, Chester Blaze wrote:
quoted 25 lines Carl Craig? above squarepusher and ?-zig - give me a break.> Carl Craig? above squarepusher and ?-zig - give me a break. > > ---------- > >From: idm-digest-owner@hyperreal.org (idm-digest) > >To: idm-digest@hyperreal.org > >Subject: idm-digest V2 #541 > >Date: Mon, Feb 22, 1999, 4:33 PM > > > > > I think the RDJ is good, but not as good as alot of his older material. > > > >> Who will be the next smarty techno godfather to be > torn down by > > the IDM mafia? Paradinas, Jeffs, or > Jenkinson? > > > > Paradinas has always been hit and miss. > > > > Chris Jeffs hasn't released enough stuff to be considered a idm > > godfather. > > > > With Jenkinson, I was getting really sick of the drill n bass stuff. > > I am glad that he took a little departure from that. > > > > Carl Craig is still one of the best IDM-ish artists around IMHO. I > > wish he would put more stuff out. >
1999-02-23 09:25Will Samuels--Chester Blaze <omshanti@123.net> wrote: > > rephlex just puts out silly crap? what the h
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--Chester Blaze <omshanti@123.net> wrote:
quoted 2 lines rephlex just puts out silly crap? what the hell is > wrong with you?> > rephlex just puts out silly crap? what the hell is > wrong with you?
Opinionated I guess. Sorry I am not a mindless IDM drone :) Just out of curiousity what were some of the outstanding Rephlex releases of '98. And I mean "new" not reissues.
quoted 1 line HAB is just ok - not what you expected?> HAB is just ok - not what you expected?
It's good, but not worth the hype of many of the emails I have read. I don't think they stand up to alot of his other work. But they are worth the $10 I spent on them.
quoted 1 line that is your problem - when you live with > expectations> that is your problem - when you live with > expectations
you live a life full of > disappointments. Your absolutely right if I didn't have any expectations I could go to regular mainstream bars where there are tons of women and bad music and i might not care. Unfortunately, I have to set my expectations high and only go to drum n bass/idm events and hang out with 95% guys. If I had no expectations or opinions I could go to anything and maybe enjoy it (know matter how weak it is), instead of just certain type of events. You know what they say ignorance is bliss.
quoted 1 line Aphex does it for himself - fuck everyone else - if > you like it> Aphex does it for himself - fuck everyone else - if > you like it
great - if you don't, don't buy it and > go on to someone who suits your needs. Great, then why do you guys get bent out of shape if someone says they don't think his more recent stuff isn't as good. And continues to becomes less influential in MY tastes. Why do you even care? It's really silly. I don't care if you love him or hate him, it makes no difference to me. I secure in my tastes to not care what anyone else thinks. Some people will agree and some won't. cheers
quoted 14 lines ----------> ---------- > >From: idm-digest-owner@hyperreal.org (idm-digest) > >To: idm-digest@hyperreal.org > >Subject: idm-digest V2 #541 > >Date: Mon, Feb 22, 1999, 4:33 PM > > > > > Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 10:08:58 -0800 (PST) > > From: Will Samuels <w_technoir@yahoo.com> > > Subject: Re: (idm) Aphex Twin- "Window Licker" > > > > - --DzrtMusic@aol.com wrote: > >> > >> Is anyone taking this release seriously? I saw the > real video
of
quoted 2 lines the Window Licker video,.. I sincerely > hope that video was only a> > the Window Licker video,.. I sincerely > hope that video was only a > > front to fool people into > thinking the whole ep is going to be
shit.
quoted 5 lines Seems > more like Aphex milking his fans for all their worth >> > Seems > more like Aphex milking his fans for all their worth > > > (economically fucking them up the ass) before he > >> goes on his vacation from the music biz. Richard > James's music > > has had a deep impact on many of us,.. > sure he thinks he's being > > funny giving everyone the > "I don't give a fuck about what you
think"
quoted 1 line routine. > Seems like simple immaturity and inconsideration to >> > routine. > Seems like simple immaturity and inconsideration to >
me..
quoted 9 lines I agree. The quality of his music has gone down big time. All his> > > > I agree. The quality of his music has gone down big time. All his > > older stuff is great and most of it still sounds fresh. The HAB eps > > were ok, not nearly as good as i would have hoped...but interesting. > > the Milkman song is pretty weak. > > > > That whole Come to Daddy ep was pretty weak. I mean sure it amusing > > that he did something like that. But it gets old quick. I prefer the > > video over the actual song. The only track that I really like is
IZ-US
quoted 1 line a 2 minute track on that CD. That's the only reason I might ever> > a 2 minute track on that CD. That's the only reason I might ever
pull
quoted 6 lines that cd out.> > that cd out. > > > > Rephlex as a label just puts out silly crap for the most part. > > > >> There are many of you who will cheer him on as he > makes funny > > things happen with the umbrella. I > reserve a special moment
of
quoted 4 lines disapointment just for > those people.> > disapointment just for > those people. > > > > I certainly don't get excited when I hear about new releases by him > > anymore. He went from being one of my favorite artists to someone
I am
quoted 2 lines only sort of interested in...just to see if he will snap out of his> > only sort of interested in...just to see if he will snap out of his > > streak of silly shit and hopefully start doing meaningful music
again.
quoted 2 lines There are too many really awesome electronic artists out there now> > > > There are too many really awesome electronic artists out there now
to
quoted 4 lines really even care about Aphex Twin (if he continues to do just ok> > really even care about Aphex Twin (if he continues to do just ok > > quality stuff). > > > >>From a guy that was all talk in the beginning of his career, about
how
quoted 1 line he could put out a 100 lps a year. You would think he could put> > he could put out a 100 lps a year. You would think he could put
out at
quoted 1 line least one good album a year and all the silly shit he wants to do> > least one good album a year and all the silly shit he wants to do
also.
quoted 7 lines If he is retiring (which I don't think he is). It's probably for the> > > > If he is retiring (which I don't think he is). It's probably for the > > best. > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ >
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1999-02-23 14:00alan r lucasOn Tue, 23 Feb 1999, Will Samuels wrote: > --Chester Blaze <omshanti@123.net> wrote: > > >
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On Tue, 23 Feb 1999, Will Samuels wrote:
quoted 9 lines --Chester Blaze <omshanti@123.net> wrote:> --Chester Blaze <omshanti@123.net> wrote: > > > > rephlex just puts out silly crap? what the hell is > wrong with you? > > Opinionated I guess. Sorry I am not a mindless IDM drone :) > > Just out of curiousity what were some of the outstanding Rephlex > releases of '98. And I mean "new" not reissues. >
dred/green:virtual farmer j.p. buckle:flying lo fi global goon:afterlife ep gentle people:mix gently lots of people probably won't agree with me, but that's life. the goon mix of laurie's theme is sooper. biggest crap on rephlex in '98: electromegamix2 outstanding rephlex in '99: cylob:rewind ep you can call it silly, but i think it's amazing. alan!
1999-02-23 16:05Greg ClowOn Tue, 23 Feb 1999, alan r lucas wrote: > > Just out of curiousity what were some of the
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On Tue, 23 Feb 1999, alan r lucas wrote:
quoted 4 lines Just out of curiousity what were some of the outstanding Rephlex> > Just out of curiousity what were some of the outstanding Rephlex > > releases of '98. And I mean "new" not reissues. > > gentle people:mix gently
That was '98? Put that on my list as well, then. Although the Japanese full length version was loads better. Greg
1999-02-23 15:58zimboOn Tue, 23 Feb 1999, Will Samuels wrote: > Just out of curiousity what were some of the ou
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On Tue, 23 Feb 1999, Will Samuels wrote:
quoted 2 lines Just out of curiousity what were some of the outstanding Rephlex> Just out of curiousity what were some of the outstanding Rephlex > releases of '98. And I mean "new" not reissues.
i actually really like the new cylob.. its funny, but its a really silly funny that just might last a few more years than a lot of that sort of stuff... oh, and its good :) so, whens the rdj blow up doll come out? im sure a lot of folks could gain a lot from that.. and in the privacy of their own home.. off the idm list :) chris. music, four lunchpails: wednesdays 7-8pm kuci 88.9fm www.kuci.org "chicks dig laptops"
1999-02-23 16:00Greg ClowOn Tue, 23 Feb 1999, Will Samuels wrote: > Just out of curiousity what were some of the ou
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On Tue, 23 Feb 1999, Will Samuels wrote:
quoted 2 lines Just out of curiousity what were some of the outstanding Rephlex> Just out of curiousity what were some of the outstanding Rephlex > releases of '98. And I mean "new" not reissues.
I heard a couple of tracks from that Mike Dred/Peter Green disc spun by one of the DJs at the Suction show, and they were fucking excellent. Was the last Global Goon in '98? It's pretty nice as well. Other than that, I can't think of anything else. I've heard claims that the Leila album is good, but I hated the first single so much that U'm afraid to even try it. Greg
1999-02-24 11:46Irene McCOn 23 Feb 99, Greg Clow wrote re: Re: (idm) Re: idm-digest V2 #541: > I've heard claims th
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quoted 2 lines I've heard claims that the Leila album is good, but I hated the> I've heard claims that the Leila album is good, but I hated the > first single so much that U'm afraid to even try it.
I've heard claims that the Leila album is "patchy" but the one track I've heard (Don't Fall Asleep) has wormed its way into my head : after initially not liking it at all, now I really think it's excellent. Which one came out as a single? I *
1999-02-23 09:44Will Samuels--Chester Blaze <omshanti@123.net> wrote: > > Carl Craig? above squarepusher and ?-zig - g
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--Chester Blaze <omshanti@123.net> wrote:
quoted 2 lines Carl Craig? above squarepusher and ?-zig - give me > a break.> > Carl Craig? above squarepusher and ?-zig - give me > a break.
Sure, i like just about everything that Carl Craig has done. There are some remixes that he has done that don't do it for me, but that's about it. He is awesome! With regards to Squarepusher, he has done some good stuff. I certainly loved Feed Me Weird Things, Port Rhombus, early Spymania stuff, some of his remixes. But I got pretty sick of the drill n bass after a while. Hard Normal Daddy had some moments, but i wasn't blown away by it. I have no desire to listen to it. I didn't like Big Loada. That came out at a time after I started really getting into drum n bass. After listening to Photek, Source Direct, Arcon 2, Ed Rush, and lots of other stuff. Big Loada didn't have much appeal. Chaos AD didn't do much for me either. The new one is good. Mike Paradinas has always been hit and miss. And there are tons of misses. The second Jake Slazenter I hated. Kid Spatula was just ok. There were a few single (I can't recall the names) that were really blah. Mike and Rich although amusing didn't really excite me for very long. That latest collaboration he did with Speedy J wasn't that impressive either. There were other releases, the name is at the tip of my tongue..oh well I will think of it later. Alot of you guys (and I certainly don't mean the whole list) just seem to have too narrow of a focus on electronic music. There is alot of great stuff out there that is beyond IDM. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
1999-02-23 10:02martin wood> Sure, i like just about everything that Carl Craig has done. There are > some remixes th
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quoted 4 lines Sure, i like just about everything that Carl Craig has done. There are> Sure, i like just about everything that Carl Craig has done. There are > some remixes that he has done that don't do it for me, but that's > about it. He is awesome! >
i though he dropped off when he released landcruising... really didnt like that at all, all of his tracks before that were amazing.... 69, the fragile stuff, the tracks he did with derrick etc... I think fame got to him... ;-)
quoted 5 lines Alot of you guys (and I certainly don't mean the whole list) just seem> > Alot of you guys (and I certainly don't mean the whole list) just seem > to have too narrow of a focus on electronic music. There is alot of > great stuff out there that is beyond IDM. >
true indeed...
1999-02-23 10:16Will Samuels--martin wood <martin.wood@advent-comm.co.uk> wrote: > > > Sure, i like just about everyth
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--martin wood <martin.wood@advent-comm.co.uk> wrote:
quoted 2 lines Sure, i like just about everything that Carl Craig has done. There> > > Sure, i like just about everything that Carl Craig has done. There
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quoted 2 lines some remixes that he has done that don't do it for me, but that's> > some remixes that he has done that don't do it for me, but that's > > about it. He is awesome!
quoted 1 line i though he dropped off when he released landcruising... really> i though he dropped off when he released landcruising... really
didnt like
quoted 2 lines that at all,> that at all, > all of his tracks before that were amazing.... 69, the fragile
stuff, the
quoted 2 lines tracks he did with derrick etc...> tracks he did with derrick etc... > I think fame got to him... ;-)
I really love Landcruising. The stuff that i was the most hesistant about was the Paperclip People. Just because i like his techno stuff a little better. After a few listens I started to really get into the Paperclip People material. I just saw perform under that name recently was very pleased by the music. He seems pretty down to earth and very friendly. At least i was very surprised by how humble he seemed when i saw him perform as Innerzone Orchestra this summer. He even wanted to shake everyone's hand for coming down. I just wish he would put out more stuff.
quoted 1 line Alot of you guys (and I certainly don't mean the whole list) just>> Alot of you guys (and I certainly don't mean the whole list) just
seem
quoted 7 lines to have too narrow of a focus on electronic music. There is alot of> > to have too narrow of a focus on electronic music. There is alot of > > great stuff out there that is beyond IDM. > > > > true indeed... > >
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1999-02-23 18:41Will Samuels--Greg Clow <stained@interlog.com> wrote: > On Tue, 23 Feb 1999, Will Samuels wrote: > >>
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--Greg Clow <stained@interlog.com> wrote:
quoted 3 lines On Tue, 23 Feb 1999, Will Samuels wrote:> On Tue, 23 Feb 1999, Will Samuels wrote: > >> Just out of curiousity what were some of the >> outstanding
Rephlex releases of '98. And I mean >> "new" not reissues.
quoted 2 lines I heard a couple of tracks from that Mike Dred/Peter > Green disc> > I heard a couple of tracks from that Mike Dred/Peter > Green disc
spun by one of the DJs at the Suction > show, and they were fucking excellent. That's not really might cup of tea. I know a few people that really dig it.
quoted 1 line Was the last Global Goon in '98? It's pretty nice as well.> Was the last Global Goon in '98? It's pretty nice as well.
I didn't like that very much. In fact, i think I almost had to practically give that away because no one would buy it at my store for the longest time. For a while I pretty much started boycotting ordering Rephlex because the stuff was just weak. Warp, Schematics, Skam, Nature were all putting out WAY better stuff than Rephlex.
quoted 1 line Other than that, I can't think of anything else. > I've heard> Other than that, I can't think of anything else. > I've heard
claims that the Leila album is good, but > I hated the first single so much that U'm
quoted 1 line afraid to even try it.> afraid to even try it.
I've heard the exact opposite that the single was good but the album was pretty disappointing. I really can't think of the last thing on Rephlex that I really got excited about, and said "wow this is really good". _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
1999-02-23 18:47Will Samuels--zimbo <tofu@uci.edu> wrote: > > On Tue, 23 Feb 1999, Will Samuels wrote: > > > Just out
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quoted 4 lines On Tue, 23 Feb 1999, Will Samuels wrote:> > On Tue, 23 Feb 1999, Will Samuels wrote: > > > Just out of curiousity what were some of the > > outstanding
Rephlex releases of '98. And I mean > > "new" not reissues.
quoted 3 lines i actually really like the new cylob..> > i actually really like the new cylob.. > its funny, but its a really silly funny that just > might last a
few more years than a lot of that sort > of stuff...
quoted 2 lines oh, and its good :)> > oh, and its good :)
I think it is funny also, and kind of cool. I stayed away from it because I didn't think I would ever really want listen to it. It would be more something I might pull out just to let someone hear, and not for my personal pleasure. Compared to rest of the stuff that has come out lately, I didn't even like it anywhere near as much as the Din stuff, Pole2, and the drum n bass 12"s that i bought.
quoted 1 line so, whens the rdj blow up doll come out? im sure a > lot of folks> so, whens the rdj blow up doll come out? im sure a > lot of folks
could gain a lot from that.. and in > the privacy of their own home.. off the idm list :) Time for RDJ to go on Howard Stern _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
1999-02-23 19:30Will Samuels---alan r lucas <alucas@telerama.com> wrote: >> Just out of curiousity what were some of t
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quoted 1 line Just out of curiousity what were some of the outstanding>> Just out of curiousity what were some of the outstanding
Rephlex releases of '98. And I mean "new" not reissues.
quoted 1 line> >
Don't take this the wrong way, because I am interested in your opinion and response. From my perspective, I would say the Gentle People is super blah. I also hate that guy's dweeby voice. The JP Buckles was crap, PLEASE someone buy this from me, I give you a very fair price!!! With regards to Global Goon, I remember it was pretty trip hop-ish. I don't have the names memorized but this was the single with the face on it. Right? J Saul Kane and Thievery Corporation are WAY better IMHO The Dred/Green wasn't bad by any means. It wasn't really my cup of tea. I thought there were some moments that were really cool. But as a whole it didn't fit my tastes. If I only listened to IDM and didn't know and hear alot of other stuff than I might share your perspective. But I do listen to all kinds of stuff from trip hop to drum n bass, and I judge the music as a whole. Perhaps, you dislike alot of other style of electronic music, so you just stay close to IDM, I don't know.
quoted 19 lines dred/green:virtual farmer> dred/green:virtual farmer > j.p. buckle:flying lo fi > global goon:afterlife ep > gentle people:mix gently > > lots of people probably won't agree > with me, but that's life. the goon > mix of laurie's theme is sooper. > > biggest crap on rephlex in '98: > > electromegamix2 > > outstanding rephlex in '99: > > cylob:rewind ep > > you can call it silly, but i think > it's amazing.
Actually I don't think it is silly. I think what he did with the voices is very cool. It's actually pretty good considering it's on Rephlex. I don't share your amazement. I wouldn't mind hearing this played out, in fact i think it would be cool. With all the records I bought last month, it didn't make it into to my collection. But I agree it's a decent release. Cheers _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
1999-02-23 20:17laermOn Tue, 23 Feb 1999, Will Samuels wrote: > But I do listen to all kinds of stuff from trip
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quoted 2 lines But I do listen to all kinds of stuff from trip hop to drum n bass, and> But I do listen to all kinds of stuff from trip hop to drum n bass, and > I judge the music as a whole.
wow, you've got really diverse tastes. ;) don't take it in offense, but i just find it funny when people say "oh, yeah, i like everything from D to F", like A-C and G-Z don't really exist. * #### a disturbance in a system. #### laerm. @voicenet.com ##:# Denn die einen sind im Dunkeln/Und die andern sind im Licht Und man sieht die im Lichte/Die im Dunkeln sieht man nicht icq: 5562209
1999-02-23 20:47zimboOn Tue, 23 Feb 1999, laerm wrote: > On Tue, 23 Feb 1999, Will Samuels wrote: > > > But I d
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On Tue, 23 Feb 1999, laerm wrote:
quoted 9 lines On Tue, 23 Feb 1999, Will Samuels wrote:> On Tue, 23 Feb 1999, Will Samuels wrote: > > > But I do listen to all kinds of stuff from trip hop to drum n bass, and > > I judge the music as a whole. > > wow, you've got really diverse tastes. ;) > > don't take it in offense, but i just find it funny when people say "oh, > yeah, i like everything from D to F", like A-C and G-Z don't really exist.
"i like everything but country and rap" anyway, rephlex is a record label. please do not confuse it with anything more. some people like it. some people dont. some people used to like it. some people used to hate it. some people get off to the very thought of the name. some people get ill to the thought of the name. some people get off to people getting ill on the name. some people get ill to the thought of people getting off to the thought of getting ill to the name. some people get off to the thought of people getting off to the thought of the name. some people get ill when listening but enjoy that effect. some people get off while listening are are shamed and hide in the corner. some people would rather listen to other music. some people think there is no other music. some people wish not to consider it music. some people think that its all richard d james. some people think richard d james does not really exist. so. got the adult 12" in the mail. my review: its about furniture, and it not on rephlex. BYE. chris.
1999-02-23 21:44Andrew Hime> On Tue, 23 Feb 1999, laerm wrote: > > On Tue, 23 Feb 1999, Will Samuels wrote: > > > But
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quoted 11 lines On Tue, 23 Feb 1999, laerm wrote:> On Tue, 23 Feb 1999, laerm wrote: > > On Tue, 23 Feb 1999, Will Samuels wrote: > > > But I do listen to all kinds of stuff from trip hop to drum n bass, and > > > I judge the music as a whole. > > > > wow, you've got really diverse tastes. ;) > > > > don't take it in offense, but i just find it funny when people say "oh, > > yeah, i like everything from D to F", like A-C and G-Z don't really exist. > > "i like everything but country and rap"
http://www.sonictherapy.com/honkey.gif Cover art to a recent Sonic Therapy release. I, personally, like country and rap among other forms of music. Look at me, I'm so openminded! Except I hate jazz and classical. Ooh, savor the irony!
quoted 2 lines rephlex is a record label.> rephlex is a record label. > please do not confuse it with anything more.
Favorite release on Rephlex of 98: "Are We Not Men Who Live and Die" by Cylob.
quoted 2 lines not to consider it music. some people think that its all richard d james.> not to consider it music. some people think that its all richard d james. > some people think richard d james does not really exist.
Some people have never even heard of Richard D James. Let's try to keep things in a better perspective.
1999-02-23 23:55Will Samuels--laerm <laerm@voicenet.com> wrote: > > On Tue, 23 Feb 1999, Will Samuels wrote: > > > But
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quoted 4 lines On Tue, 23 Feb 1999, Will Samuels wrote:> > On Tue, 23 Feb 1999, Will Samuels wrote: > > > But I do listen to all kinds of stuff from trip hop to drum n
bass, and I judge the music as a whole.
quoted 2 lines wow, you've got really diverse tastes. ;)> > wow, you've got really diverse tastes. ;)
I didn't want to list every single genre i liked so i was brief. I use to be really big in the 4AD/Shoegazer stuff. Eno, Pink Floyd, etc
quoted 1 line don't take it in offense, but i just find it funny > when people> don't take it in offense, but i just find it funny > when people
say "oh, yeah, i like everything from D > to F", like A-C and G-Z don't really exist. I wasn't very articulate because i don't like trance, gabber, hardcore, diva house, and most popular mainstream music (but Radiohead - Ok Computer was great IMHO). It is funny when some people might say the above, and then you start talking about Dub and Krautrock...Conny Plank, etc. ....then they are like "what"? and have no clue what the hell you are talking about _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
1999-02-26 20:31solenoid> I wasn't very articulate because i don't like trance, gabber, > hardcore, diva house, an
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quoted 7 lines I wasn't very articulate because i don't like trance, gabber,> I wasn't very articulate because i don't like trance, gabber, > hardcore, diva house, and most popular mainstream music (but Radiohead > - Ok Computer was great IMHO). > > It is funny when some people might say the above, and then you start > talking about Dub and Krautrock...Conny Plank, etc. ....then they are > like "what"? and have no clue what the hell you are talking about
Reciprocally, I've noticed quite a few of my friends into Stereolab, Krautrock, Kranky label, Windy & Carl, guitar-related "electronica" -- say "what" when you talk about Juan Atkins, Derrick May, Carl Craig, Detroit-anything, electro-funk, rap-anything-except-Beasties.... How do these lines get drawn....? solenoid
1999-02-26 19:45brian> Reciprocally, I've noticed quite a few of my friends into Stereolab, > Krautrock, Kranky
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quoted 6 lines Reciprocally, I've noticed quite a few of my friends into Stereolab,> Reciprocally, I've noticed quite a few of my friends into Stereolab, > Krautrock, Kranky label, Windy & Carl, guitar-related "electronica" -- > say "what" when you talk about Juan Atkins, Derrick May, Carl Craig, > Detroit-anything, electro-funk, rap-anything-except-Beasties.... > > How do these lines get drawn....?
most likely by the media/record companies. even at the indie level, labels are very good at targeting crowds, college radio promotions are a good example of this. most labels are looking for only the person that deals with "this type of music" when they make their calls. they know how to market just as well as the big boys. magazines, even the indie-ish ones tend to lump things together as well. dare i say that even the idm-list is a huge lumper. we tend to go with what's safe and kind of guaranteed in a way when when it comes to our record purchasing, mostly due to economic reasons i would guess. in this matter, there's probably loads of great labels getting completely passed by. brian
1999-02-24 04:04Rusty Householter>Don't take this the wrong way, because I am interested in your opinion >and response. Fro
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quoted 2 lines Don't take this the wrong way, because I am interested in your opinion>Don't take this the wrong way, because I am interested in your opinion >and response. From my perspective, I would say the Gentle People is
Oh man, I love tha Gentle People. It's very kitsch. Just lay back and get groovy!
quoted 2 lines super blah. I also hate that guy's dweeby voice. The JP Buckles was>super blah. I also hate that guy's dweeby voice. The JP Buckles was >crap, PLEASE someone buy this from me, I give you a very fair price!!!
No way! "Hard Rinse" or whatever it was called was pretty good. I also really liked the Railway Raver.
quoted 3 lines With regards to Global Goon, I remember it was pretty trip hop-ish. I>With regards to Global Goon, I remember it was pretty trip hop-ish. I >don't have the names memorized but this was the single with the face >on it. Right? J Saul Kane and Thievery Corporation are WAY better IMHO
Global Goon doesn't get the recognition he deserves period! Thievery Corp, is a whole different bag when compared to Rephlex. Really interesting.
quoted 3 lines The Dred/Green wasn't bad by any means. It wasn't really my cup of>The Dred/Green wasn't bad by any means. It wasn't really my cup of >tea. I thought there were some moments that were really cool. But as a >whole it didn't fit my tastes.
yes, half good, half nutter.
quoted 3 lines lots of people probably won't agree>> lots of people probably won't agree >> with me, but that's life. the goon >> mix of laurie's theme is sooper.
not to forget the impassable, DMX mix.
quoted 3 lines biggest crap on rephlex in '98:>> biggest crap on rephlex in '98: >> >> electromegamix2
You don't go out dancing much, eh?
quoted 3 lines outstanding rephlex in '99:>> outstanding rephlex in '99: >> >> cylob:rewind ep
I must chip in Leila's album. Top notch including the 7", great stuff. When is Jones coming out with new stuff? Did he get out of that cast? Gonzi? Rusty
1999-02-24 07:42Will Samuels--Rusty Householter <rdhouse@ilstu.edu> wrote: > Oh man, I love tha Gentle People. It's ve
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quoted 1 line Oh man, I love tha Gentle People. It's very > kitsch. Just> Oh man, I love tha Gentle People. It's very > kitsch. Just
lay back and get groovy! Nah don't care for it. I think there is alot better stuff out there to buy.
quoted 1 line No way! "Hard Rinse" or whatever it was called was > pretty good.> No way! "Hard Rinse" or whatever it was called was > pretty good.
If this is a track off JP Buckles, i didn't find 1 track worth keeping it the LP for.
quoted 1 line I also really liked the Railway Raver.> I also really liked the Railway Raver.
It was ok, but really dated sounding. I might of been interested in it 4 years ago...maybe. I would (and did) definitely pass on it. There is just way better stuff out there.
quoted 3 lines Global Goon doesn't get the recognition he deserves > period!> Global Goon doesn't get the recognition he deserves > period! > > Thievery Corp, is a whole different bag when > compared to
Rephlex. Really interesting. Right! That's why i like them. The last Global Goon we got at the ex-store was really not that impressive.
quoted 5 lines biggest crap on rephlex in '98:> >> biggest crap on rephlex in '98: > >> > >> electromegamix2 > > You don't go out dancing much, eh?
First of all, that wasn't my quote. And yes I do go dancing but it's to more aggressive forms of techno/drum n bass (usually). I haven't heard a really good electro dj spin since Mark Broom on the Autechre/Spacetime Continuum tour (years back). I thought he was really good and danced for his whole set (I believe). I should of gone to see Dave Clarke spin, but everyone else on the bill looked shite. And i was already going to a few shows that same week. Top techno djs I saw last year Vainqueur - great with three tables all going at the same time. When he had Kraftwerk - Tour De France playing with Maurizio - M5, and another records going. That impressed the hell out of me!! Richie Hawtin The Swedes - Cari Lekebusch, Adam Beyer, Joel Mull Stacey Pullen Top drum n bass djs i saw last year Ed Rush Optical J Majik Doc Scott John B FIERCE Cheers _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
1999-02-24 15:06Cognition Audioworksmy 2 cents: i really dug the green/dred (was hoping to interview em, but it hasn't worked
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my 2 cents: i really dug the green/dred (was hoping to interview em, but it hasn't worked out--yet), but agree the jpbuckle was a bit too all over the place. andrew :) Will Samuels wrote:
quoted 54 lines ---alan r lucas <alucas@telerama.com> wrote:> ---alan r lucas <alucas@telerama.com> wrote: > > >> Just out of curiousity what were some of the outstanding > Rephlex releases of '98. And I mean "new" not reissues. > > > > > Don't take this the wrong way, because I am interested in your opinion > and response. From my perspective, I would say the Gentle People is > super blah. I also hate that guy's dweeby voice. The JP Buckles was > crap, PLEASE someone buy this from me, I give you a very fair price!!! > With regards to Global Goon, I remember it was pretty trip hop-ish. I > don't have the names memorized but this was the single with the face > on it. Right? J Saul Kane and Thievery Corporation are WAY better IMHO > > The Dred/Green wasn't bad by any means. It wasn't really my cup of > tea. I thought there were some moments that were really cool. But as a > whole it didn't fit my tastes. > > If I only listened to IDM and didn't know and hear alot of other stuff > than I might share your perspective. But I do listen to all kinds of > stuff from trip hop to drum n bass, and I judge the music as a whole. > Perhaps, you dislike alot of other style of electronic music, so you > just stay close to IDM, I don't know. > > > dred/green:virtual farmer > > j.p. buckle:flying lo fi > > global goon:afterlife ep > > gentle people:mix gently > > > > lots of people probably won't agree > > with me, but that's life. the goon > > mix of laurie's theme is sooper. > > > > biggest crap on rephlex in '98: > > > > electromegamix2 > > > > outstanding rephlex in '99: > > > > cylob:rewind ep > > > > you can call it silly, but i think > > it's amazing. > > Actually I don't think it is silly. I think what he did with the > voices is very cool. It's actually pretty good considering it's on > Rephlex. I don't share your amazement. I wouldn't mind hearing this > played out, in fact i think it would be cool. > > With all the records I bought last month, it didn't make it into to my > collection. But I agree it's a decent release. Cheers > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
1999-02-26 20:43Will Samuels--solenoid <solenoid@syncopated.net> wrote: > > Reciprocally, I've noticed quite a few of
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quoted 2 lines Reciprocally, I've noticed quite a few of my friends > into> > Reciprocally, I've noticed quite a few of my friends > into
Stereolab, Krautrock, Kranky label, Windy & > Carl, guitar-related "electronica" -- say "what" when > you talk about Juan Atkins, Derrick May, Carl Craig,
quoted 1 line Detroit-anything, electro-funk, rap - anything - > except -> Detroit-anything, electro-funk, rap - anything - > except -
Beasties....
quoted 2 lines How do these lines get drawn....?> > How do these lines get drawn....?
It's not surprising that people don't know alot about Detroit techno. It hasn't received nearly the amount of credit due. I'm talking stateside, I know it's pretty respected in Europe. Not to mention alot of US record stores don't carry very much domestic artists. US distribution for that stuff is pretty weak, unless it's house. Watts which is one of the US biggest distributors sucks. They are pretty decent about carrying Jeff Mills, some Red Planet 12"s, and Aux 88. But for the most part ignore or buy very small amounts from other US labels (Detroit or elsewhere). I know Schematic had a really hard time for while. It's no wonder why a label like Isophlux sent almost all the Lexaunculpt 12"s straight to Germany and not try and deal with any US distributors. Which sucked because you could find any of his records locally. I think most US techno gets pretty poor US media coverage. Which really hurts the scene over here. More people know about the European artists and therefore that stuff is what more people know and buy. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
1999-03-02 20:18CheAt 12:31 PM 2/26/99 -0800, solenoid wrote: >Reciprocally, I've noticed quite a few of my f
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At 12:31 PM 2/26/99 -0800, solenoid wrote:
quoted 4 lines Reciprocally, I've noticed quite a few of my friends into Stereolab,>Reciprocally, I've noticed quite a few of my friends into Stereolab, >Krautrock, Kranky label, Windy & Carl, guitar-related "electronica" -- >say "what" when you talk about Juan Atkins, Derrick May, Carl Craig, >Detroit-anything, electro-funk, rap-anything-except-Beasties....
They're obviously LOSERS w/ a capital L. Ditch them NOW, your soul is in peril. Rock n' roll is for OLD PEOPLE. ;-) Che PS Lots of reviews soon...