IDM Mailing Archive

In a message dated 1/13/99 9:12:48 AM, you wrote: <<and this problem was caused by an error in manufacturing the discs>> now, how intenetional that error was is the million dollar (or however much yr cd collection is worth;) question....consumer electronics have many times been manufactured for future failure, lightbulbs arethe greatest example of this, lightbulbs have been made that would never (unles they were physically broken of course) been repleaced that just cost a bit more than normal ones to make but what what good would that do the lightbulb manufacturers? it's totally fucked and moreso the thought that as technology gets more and more "ideal or unexpirable" the same people responsible for that are probably being hired to make inherent "digital arthritis" in such products just to keep a market alive because with all the cost of starting up a new market (such as minidisc, or even cell phones) they have to stay in production for a lot longer than that product is actually needed is scary. not to sound to paranoid.. but when the option i sgiving to purchase something (like a dat or cdr burner) in either a "proffesional" or "consumer" model, I woudl always advice getting the pro model, it i smore expenisive upfront but that is for a reason....."pro's" like people in studio's or multimedia etc. actually use there equipment very often while consumers tend to not give there new electronic equipment as much use and a good percentage don't even figure out how to use it and they just end up in the garage...and the manufacturers know this! luv dr. kidmensa luv kid606

On Thu, 14 Jan 1999, Irene McC wrote:

quoted 17 lines On 13 Jan 99, Kid66606@aol.com wrote re: Re: Re: (idm) No, I don't:

> On 13 Jan 99, Kid66606@aol.com wrote re: Re: Re: (idm) No, I don't: > > > purchase something (like a dat or cdr burner) in either a > > "proffesional" or "consumer" model, I woudl always advice getting > > the pro model, > > New problem - it now appears that certain CD-R manufacturers > (Philips, Pioneer and TDK so far) are making two different types of > recordable CD's - cheap ones for data (yellow book) and MUCH > more expensive ones for audio (red book). There is technically > *no* difference between these two at all - except that the > specifically marked 'audio' ones carry an embeded flag - if your > audio recorder senses the flag, it permits you to copy. If it fails to > see the flag, it won't run. > > Anybody have further knowledge on this? >

They're coming out with consumer CD writers, that act basically like a tape recorder -- they record audio in real time. The more expensive blanks are supposed to be surcharged by some amount that goes back to artists whose work is being duplicated. If you check on the web there's a simple hack to the consumer machines such that you put in a 'audio' CD blank, let it spin up, then get the door open without triggering the disk change sensor, and put in a regular 'Data' blank. The restrictions on media do not apply to any computer-connected CDR burner to my knowledge.

quoted 10 lines New problem - it now appears that certain CD-R manufacturers

>New problem - it now appears that certain CD-R manufacturers >(Philips, Pioneer and TDK so far) are making two different types of >recordable CD's - cheap ones for data (yellow book) and MUCH >more expensive ones for audio (red book). There is technically >*no* difference between these two at all - except that the >specifically marked 'audio' ones carry an embeded flag - if your >audio recorder senses the flag, it permits you to copy. If it fails to >see the flag, it won't run. > >Anybody have further knowledge on this?

The CD-R FAQ answers this and many other questions on the subject: http://www.fadden.com/cdrfaq/ specifically for this question: http://www.fadden.com/cdrfaq/faq05.html#[5-12] -Matt -- Matt Woodard - mtwoodard@hotmail.com http://rio.atlantic.net/~woodard ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

quoted 4 lines If you check on the web there's a simple hack to the consumer

> If you check on the web there's a simple hack to the consumer > machines such that you put in a 'audio' CD blank, let it spin up, > then get the door open without triggering the disk change sensor, > and put in a regular 'Data' blank.

This sounds similar to the little bootleg kit you can buy for the Playstation. It comes with a spring that foils the disk-change sensor when you open the tray, so after putting a standard Playstation CD in and letting the unit read the code, you can pop the tray open, insert a CD-R copy of any Playstation game and play to your heart's content. I've seen it in action at a friend's house (no sniggering, it's the truth!) and it worked quite well. Even gives you unlimited lives, etc. IDM Content: I guess this betrays my background as an indie-kid, but the Notwist have put out two very interesting albums I haven't seen mentioned or discussed on the list. Yes they're German, and they know how to make click-tracks worthy of Oval, but I'd wager there's quite a few Dinosaur Jr. records in their collection as well. Now that's alterna-pop with a crunch! .John.

quoted 8 lines IDM Content: I guess this betrays my background as an indie-kid, but the

> >IDM Content: I guess this betrays my background as an indie-kid, but the >Notwist have put out two very interesting albums I haven't seen mentioned >or discussed on the list. Yes they're German, and they know how to make >click-tracks worthy of Oval, but I'd wager there's quite a few Dinosaur Jr. >records in their collection as well. Now that's alterna-pop with a crunch! > >

Have to also say I found "Shrink" (their latest) very interesting but I'm unable to find their other releases. (can't order online : no credit card) There's more IDM content than you might think : The guy from Console is in the Notwist and Payola seems to be an imprint of Community, the label the Notwist are on. I think some of the other members of the band are also in other projects featured on "The Day My Favorite Insect Died" compilation. Seb

quoted 2 lines There is technically *no* difference between these two at all -

> There is technically *no* difference between these two at all - > except that the specifically marked 'audio' ones carry an embeded flag

They're scared of losing their ridiculous profit margins... Cheers, Jon