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I wonder when I read these posts concerning very personal squabbles between bands ( who are the first to blame for dirty laundering in public) do any of you folks have lives of your own? With exception to the posters who claim to be "friends of so and so", why are we going over this shit? Do you really feel part of this debate if you have no personal connection to these groups? Why are we picking sides in a debate that most of us * have no say in at all*? Are the opinions of some random individual going to change Plaid/ Ken's personal debate? You could watch the Jerry Springer show instead; its almost as mundane. obidm: that Zammuto disc is lovely Peter np: Red House Painters- Down Colorful Hill --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

oh come on... i sincerely doubt that anyone here was stating their opinion with the sole intention of changing the outcome of the release. do you not discuss anything that doesn't directly relate to you? if this were a political DISCUSSION list, we'd all be discussing various candidates and their policies regardless of whether we were actual "friends of so and so". it affects us, the Plaid/BD fans, so we DO have a vested interest in the outcome. this debate is comprised of many elements relevant to IDM: good music, bad labels, intellectual copyright, and yes, DRAMA. sooo.. the no-lives-of-your-own implication is FDA approved flamebait. if you're tired of the discussion (which i'm sure many are), why don't you try this novel idea: propose a new topic! it is a much more effective approach than the "shut up and get a life or watch springer" tactic. ok, so have any of you heard of a plaid release called "Repeats (A13)"? the track list is in no particular order: death bed visions drifting sounds of wikiki end up fish stew g thing hurricane felix lilta tommorrows people tuesdays hot hit i can't seem to find it in any discographies, and it sounds very un-Plaidish in many ways. any info would greatly be appreciated... any other info on what the hell those two BoC "Disengage" tracks are would be helpful as well. regards, seesik On Thu, 6 Apr 2000, Peter Becker wrote:

quoted 23 lines I wonder when I read these posts concerning very personal squabbles

> I wonder when I read these posts concerning very personal squabbles > between bands ( who are the first to blame for dirty laundering in > public) > do any of you folks have lives of your own? > > With exception to the posters who claim to be "friends of so and so", > why are we going over this shit? Do you really feel part of this > debate if you have no personal connection to these groups? Why are we > picking sides in a debate that most of us * have no say in at all*? > Are the opinions of some random individual going to change Plaid/ > Ken's personal debate? > > You could watch the Jerry Springer show instead; its almost as mundane. > > obidm: that Zammuto disc is lovely > > Peter > np: Red House Painters- Down Colorful Hill > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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Quoting seesik <seesik@techgnosis.org>:

quoted 8 lines ok, so have any of you heard of a plaid release

> > ok, so have any of you heard of a plaid release > called \"Repeats (A13)\"? > > i can\'t seem to find it in any discographies, and > it sounds very un-Plaidish in many ways. any info > would greatly be appreciated... >

The Repeat album doesnt sound like Plaid because it ISNT Plaid - well not totally. Repeat is one of the recording guises of Mark Broom & Dave Hill. Plaid have contributed to some of the Repeat records - Repeats LP, Canada ep, some of the A13 label output - but they are only guest producers not full-fledged members. I have a Repeat discography at home. I\'ll post it to the list later this evening. -->-Lance---- PO Box 450715 Westlake, OH 44145 United States --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

At 12:37 PM 4/6/2000 -0400, you wrote:

quoted 18 lines Quoting seesik <seesik@techgnosis.org>:

>Quoting seesik <seesik@techgnosis.org>: > > > > ok, so have any of you heard of a plaid release > > called \"Repeats (A13)\"? > > i can\'t seem to find it in any discographies, and > > it sounds very un-Plaidish in many ways. any info > > would greatly be appreciated... > > > >The Repeat album doesnt sound like Plaid because >it ISNT Plaid - well not totally. Repeat is one >of the recording guises of Mark Broom & Dave Hill. >Plaid have contributed to some of the Repeat >records - Repeats LP, Canada ep, some of the A13 >label output - but they are only guest producers not >full-fledged members. I have a Repeat discography >at home. I\'ll post it to the list later this >evening.

Ok, here is the Repeat discography... Repeat Releases: . Repeat: Game Shows 12" (GPR) . Repeat: Lilt A 12? (A13) . Repeat: Repeats cd/2x12" (A13) . Repeat: Nine Open 12? (Pure Plastic) . Repeat: New School Beats 12? (Unexplored Beats) . Repeat: Canada 12" (Unexplored Beats) Comp appearances: . Kape Ill Musier/Mark Broom/Repeat: v/a 12" (A13) . Mark Broom/Midst of Tumult/Repeat: v/a 12? (A13) . Mail-Order only comp 12" (Pure Plastic) . Pure Plastic sampler vol. 1 comp 12" (Pure Plastic) . Pure Plastic sampler vol. 2 comp 12" (Pure Plastic) . The Rumpus Rooms comp 2xcd (Ninebar) And don't forget the two ifach eps that are done by the full Repeat cast: . Eco Tourist: magelonic/penguins12" (Ifach) . Baird Remo: yohm 12" (Ifach) -->-Lance--- lance@inaudible.com p.o. box 450715 westlake, ohio 44145 united states --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

At 5:08 PM +0100 4/6/00, Knapman, James wrote:

quoted 1 line Yeah, perhaps we should all just shut up and never post anything again.

>Yeah, perhaps we should all just shut up and never post anything again.

That would help the idm list tremendously.

quoted 3 lines That'd be really good wouldn't it? Perhaps we shouldn't discuss any

>That'd be really good wouldn't it? Perhaps we shouldn't discuss any >music at all unless we're friends of the artists who created it. >Because that makes sense.

Music yes....let's discuss. Personal bitching and gossiping on things that ( I'm guessing ) a large percentage of this list have no real involvement with, no.

quoted 3 lines I don't think people have any interest in changing Plaid/Black Dog's

>I don't think people have any interest in changing Plaid/Black Dog's >personal debate - it's their debate (if three posts can be considered a >debate that it).

If you go back to the root of this tired thread, you'll find more than 3 posts, I guarantee it. 3 posts started it and now we have loads of posts on it.

quoted 6 lines The release of the compilation album is news. About music. Therefore, this

> >The release of the compilation album is news. About music. Therefore, this >being a discussion / mailing list about IDM, people are discussing it. The >opinions of random individuals are what this mailing list is partly about >isn't it? That the news was turned into a personal debate is the result of >the fact that the artists have problems with copyright etc.

And that certain members of this list ( which is about music, yes ) have decided to turn this into a "whos side are you on" issue. How juvenile.

quoted 6 lines do any of you folks have lives of your own?

> >do any of you folks have lives of your own? > >What an offensive and ill considered remark. Reading the posts about >Plaid/BD and posting my opinion took a few token minutes out of my life. You >don't really think people are eating out enormous chunks of their lives >wringing their hands over this whole issue do you?

Actually part of the reason I wrote an ( admittedly ) nasty remark like that is that I'm always amazed at how much people really *do* make issues like these very much a personal part of their lives. I think that idm has gone from a musical subgenre to a lifestyle, which is strange. Over the past few months on this list, I've noticed a growth in numbers of individuals who seem to embrace a lifestyle culture based on idm- down to their idm haircuts, their idm clothes, their idm cars, their idm favorite recipes, their idm favorite beer, etc etc. I'm joking but maybe you can see where I'm going. I think the number of list members who really *are* eating out enormous chunks of their lives wringing their hands over this whole issue may be larger than you think. I respect that you would take a moment to give opinions and also I was not targeting any single idm lister with my comments. Its just that as far as I can figure, there are three individuals who really have the right to bitch over this issue: Plaid and BD Ken. and I remain a fan of both Plaid and BD....while not regarding the details of their very personal and unfortunate difficulty they are both going through. Respect to them, I hope they survive. I've now received 2 emails in private agreeing with my comments and 2 public emails which disagree with me. I don't wish to thread this so sorry in advance. Anyone who wants to write on this, please do so in private. Thanks. Peter --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

But Peter, that is what I said in my Original post. Or your comments are a reasonable Facsimile thereof.... No Springer, No TV! Yes, Hk! -----Original Message----- From: Peter Becker [mailto:peterb@ixpres.com] Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2000 10:47 AM To: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: [idm] the Plaid/BD thing I wonder when I read these posts concerning very personal squabbles between bands ( who are the first to blame for dirty laundering in public) do any of you folks have lives of your own? With exception to the posters who claim to be "friends of so and so", why are we going over this shit? Do you really feel part of this debate if you have no personal connection to these groups? Why are we picking sides in a debate that most of us * have no say in at all*? Are the opinions of some random individual going to change Plaid/ Ken's personal debate? You could watch the Jerry Springer show instead; its almost as mundane. obidm: that Zammuto disc is lovely Peter np: Red House Painters- Down Colorful Hill --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

I keep forgetting not to repeat HK comments....I should have known better...= ) OK, you win, Kelley. = ) Peter At 11:41 AM -0500 4/6/00, Kelley Hackett wrote:

quoted 6 lines But Peter, that is what I said in my Original post. Or your comments are a

>But Peter, that is what I said in my Original post. Or your comments are a >reasonable Facsimile thereof.... > >No Springer, No TV! > >Yes, Hk!

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james,very well stated, peter, please please get of your high horse, plus, don't you have anything better to worry about than us worrying about "plaid vs. black dog"? that's a concern that is two steps removed from the source, yeh? word to god stev "Knapman, James" wrote:

quoted 39 lines Peter wrote:

> Peter wrote: > > >I wonder when I read these posts concerning very personal squabbles > between bands ( who are the first to blame for dirty laundering in public) > > >With exception to the posters who claim to be "friends of so and > so", why are we going over this shit? Do you really feel part of this > debate if you have no personal connection to these groups? Why are we > picking sides in a debate that most of us * have no say in at all*? Are the > opinions of some random individual going to change Plaid/ Ken's personal > debate? > > Yeah, perhaps we should all just shut up and never post anything again. > That'd be really good wouldn't it? Perhaps we shouldn't discuss any music at > all unless we're friends of the artists who created it. Because that makes > sense. > > I don't think people have any interest in changing Plaid/Black Dog's > personal debate - it's their debate (if three posts can be considered a > debate that it). > > The release of the compilation album is news. About music. Therefore, this > being a discussion / mailing list about IDM, people are discussing it. The > opinions of random individuals are what this mailing list is partly about > isn't it? That the news was turned into a personal debate is the result of > the fact that the artists have problems with copyright etc. > > >do any of you folks have lives of your own? > > What an offensive and ill considered remark. Reading the posts about > Plaid/BD and posting my opinion took a few token minutes out of my life. You > don't really think people are eating out enormous chunks of their lives > wringing their hands over this whole issue do you? > > James. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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We don't have any part in this debate huh? Well that sounds very odd considering the whole thing emerged from the mailing list. BD/Plaid are members of the list, and apparently they pay attention to it since they managed to notice each other's posts. So don't act so flabbergasted. If it was none of our business, it wouldn't have vouluntarily been posted on the list by both Plaid and BD. Like the other person said, if you're tired of the topic, don't talk about it. I'm sure your comment is only gonna make the whole thing linger on more than you want it to. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 3 lines From: "Will Simmons" <chill_simulator@hotmail.com>

>From: "Will Simmons" <chill_simulator@hotmail.com> > >We don't have any part in this debate huh?

Not unless you are one of the parties or lawyers. Why should some snot nosed punk like yourself get involved? Do you hold any degrees in law or have experience in matters such as these? If so, give a professional opinion. If not, then don't act like you know anything. Because it's not a clear cut black & white thing, there are probably lots of gray areas and stuff we don't know about.

quoted 2 lines Well that sounds very odd

>Well that sounds very odd >considering the whole thing emerged from the mailing list.

So what mate? If you mentioned on this that your mother didn't breast feed you. Does that gives us to right to make tons of assumptions on things we don't know. By the way did she?

quoted 3 lines BD/Plaid are

>BD/Plaid are >members of the list, and apparently they pay attention to it since they >managed to notice each other's posts.

Yeah Black Dog is, I'm not so sure Plaid normally is. It is conceivable that they were told of the dispute and joined the list to clear the air. Like the other person said, if you're

quoted 2 lines tired of

>tired of >the topic, don't talk about it.

Yeah, and a wise guy I once knew said avoid acting like you know stuff when you don't.

quoted 2 lines I'm sure your comment is only gonna make

>I'm sure your comment is only gonna make >the whole thing linger on more than you want it to.

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Phew, I'm so glad Richard James joined in the discussion.....ahhh the security of a hotmail account. What's up, Richard? Peter At 5:27 PM -0700 4/6/00, Ron Jeremy wrote:

quoted 7 lines It should have died a while ago.

>> > >It should have died a while ago. > >- Rj >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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You've accused me of claiming to know things about the debate at hand; I have done no such thing. I have addressed a side topic. I have never claimed to know anything about the actual debate. What I have done is defended those who do want to take part in a discussion they have every right to take part in.

quoted 2 lines Does that gives us to right to make tons of assumptions on things we don't

>Does that gives us to right to make tons of assumptions on things we don't >know.

Absolutely. The debate between the artists could have gone on privately, but they decided to make it public. So I believe that gives me the right to say whatever the hell I want about it. I mean, if Plaid and Black Dog have the right to settle their personal conficts on a an email list, then surely I can respond to it.

quoted 2 lines It is conceivable that they were told of the dispute and joined the list to

>It is conceivable that they were told of the dispute and joined the list to >clear the air.

Of course it is, but either way, they asked for whatever criticism they've gotten. Anyway, thanks for responding (seriously, I appreciate it).

quoted 45 lines From: "Ron Jeremy" <galactic_funk@hotmail.com>

>From: "Ron Jeremy" <galactic_funk@hotmail.com> >To: chill_simulator@hotmail.com, idm@hyperreal.org >CC: peterb@ixpres.com >Subject: Re: [idm] Re: the Plaid/BD thing >Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 17:27:21 PDT > >>From: "Will Simmons" <chill_simulator@hotmail.com> >> >>We don't have any part in this debate huh? > >Not unless you are one of the parties or lawyers. Why should some snot >nosed punk like yourself get involved? Do you hold any degrees in law or >have experience in matters such as these? If so, give a professional >opinion. If not, then don't act like you know anything. Because it's not a >clear cut black & white thing, there are probably lots of gray areas and >stuff we don't know about. > >>Well that sounds very odd >>considering the whole thing emerged from the mailing list. > >So what mate? If you mentioned on this that your mother didn't breast feed >you. Does that gives us to right to make tons of assumptions on things we >don't know. By the way did she? > >>BD/Plaid are >>members of the list, and apparently they pay attention to it since they >>managed to notice each other's posts. > >Yeah Black Dog is, I'm not so sure Plaid normally is. It is conceivable >that they were told of the dispute and joined the list to clear the air. > >Like the other person said, if you're >>tired of >>the topic, don't talk about it. > >Yeah, and a wise guy I once knew said avoid acting like you know stuff when >you don't. > >>I'm sure your comment is only gonna make >>the whole thing linger on more than you want it to. > >It should have died a while ago. > >- Rj >

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quoted 8 lines From: Peter Becker <peterb@ixpres.com>

>From: Peter Becker <peterb@ixpres.com> >To: "Ron Jeremy" <galactic_funk@hotmail.com> >CC: chill_simulator@hotmail.com, idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [idm] Re: the Plaid/BD thing >Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 21:39:51 -0400 > >Phew, I'm so glad Richard James joined in the discussion.....ahhh the >security of a hotmail account. What's up, Richard?

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quoted 1 line From: "Will Simmons" <chill_simulator@hotmail.com>

>From: "Will Simmons" <chill_simulator@hotmail.com>

quoted 2 lines You've accused me of claiming to know things about the debate at hand; I

>You've accused me of claiming to know things about the debate at hand; I >have done no such thing.

Nigga please, I said something like UNLESS you happen to know something of these matters through direct knowledge with the parties or if you are a lawyer, then shut the fuck up. Sit yo ass down.

quoted 2 lines I have addressed a side topic. I have never

>I have addressed a side topic. I have never >claimed to know anything about the actual debate.

So you are just spitting out shit without any knowledge. And you accomplish what? Nothing.

quoted 3 lines What I have done is

>What I have done is >defended those who do want to take part in a discussion they have every >right to take part in.

Youre a really trooper aren't you going around defending stuff. Give this guy a pineapple.

quoted 2 lines Absolutely. The debate between the artists could have gone on privately,

>Absolutely. The debate between the artists could have gone on privately, >but they decided to make it public.

What does that accomplish for some ignorant little bastard to chime in on stuff he knows little about? Are you going to restore homeostasis to everything? Are you going to enlighten us beyond what has already been discussed?

quoted 3 lines I mean, if Plaid and Black Dog have

>I mean, if Plaid and Black Dog have >the right to settle their personal conficts on a an email list, then surely >I can respond to it.

Yeah settle conflicts that you are involved in and have some knowledge about. Don't prance around showing your knickers unless you know something.

quoted 2 lines Of course it is, but either way, they asked for whatever criticism they've

>Of course it is, but either way, they asked for whatever criticism they've >gotten. Anyway, thanks for responding (seriously, I appreciate it).

you got big shot

quoted 50 lines From: "Ron Jeremy" <galactic_funk@hotmail.com>

>>From: "Ron Jeremy" <galactic_funk@hotmail.com> >>To: chill_vibrator@hotmail.com, idm@hyperreal.org >>CC: peterb@ixpres.com >>Subject: Re: [idm] Re: the Plaid/BD thing >>Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 17:27:21 PDT >> >>>From: "Will Simmons" <chill_simulator@hotmail.com> >>> >>>We don't have any part in this debate huh? >> >>Not unless you are one of the parties or lawyers. Why should some snot >>nosed punk like yourself get involved? Do you hold any degrees in law or >>have experience in matters such as these? If so, give a professional >>opinion. If not, then don't act like you know anything. Because it's not a >>clear cut black & white thing, there are probably lots of gray areas and >>stuff we don't know about. >> >>>Well that sounds very odd >>>considering the whole thing emerged from the mailing list. >> >>So what mate? If you mentioned on this that your mother didn't breast feed >>you. Does that gives us to right to make tons of assumptions on things we >>don't know. By the way did she? >> >>>BD/Plaid are >>>members of the list, and apparently they pay attention to it since they >>>managed to notice each other's posts. >> >>Yeah Black Dog is, I'm not so sure Plaid normally is. It is conceivable >>that they were told of the dispute and joined the list to clear the air. >> >>Like the other person said, if you're >>>tired of >>>the topic, don't talk about it. >> >>Yeah, and a wise guy I once knew said avoid acting like you know stuff >>when >>you don't. >> >>>I'm sure your comment is only gonna make >>>the whole thing linger on more than you want it to. >> >>It should have died a while ago. >> >>- Rj >> > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com >

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warp re-releasing old plaid material? mmmmm..... didn't read any of the original posts, but it just ratifies the assumption that warps headz are firmly wedged up their accountants posteriors what is the aim?? a cynical ploy to cane some bucks from the american market (as us brits were astute enough to buy the records the first time they came out) or a repackaging of a "collective" legacy with subtle write-out of mr dowie? let the dead bury the dead i say louis ferdinand celine http://www.onoksid.freeserve.co.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

First of all, I'd like to make clear that I have not taken sides on the topic: I'm not for either Black Dog or Plaid. I tried to make that clear in my last email, but you didn't get it apparently. In fact I don't think anyone besides plaid and black dog could have a sound opinion at this point. But regardless, because plaid and black dog decided to broadcast their troubles to the 1000+ members of the list, they've asked for any accusations they've gotten. And let's not forget, both artists encouraged the list members to take sides. Do these idmers get anything from talking about it? Not really. Do they expect to alter the whole thing? Probably not. But they do have something to say about it, even if it's nothing good to say (and chances are it's not). But anyway, if a person is going to post a message, especially a negative message, they can only expect to get it right back in their face. Such has happened to bd and plaid.

quoted 103 lines From: "Ron Jeremy" <galactic_funk@hotmail.com>

>From: "Ron Jeremy" <galactic_funk@hotmail.com> >To: chill_simulator@hotmail.com, idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [idm] Re: the Plaid/BD thing >Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 00:18:21 PDT > >>From: "Will Simmons" <chill_simulator@hotmail.com> > >>You've accused me of claiming to know things about the debate at hand; I >>have done no such thing. > >Nigga please, I said something like UNLESS you happen to know something of >these matters through direct knowledge with the parties or if you are a >lawyer, then shut the fuck up. Sit yo ass down. > >>I have addressed a side topic. I have never >>claimed to know anything about the actual debate. > >So you are just spitting out shit without any knowledge. And you accomplish >what? Nothing. > >>What I have done is >>defended those who do want to take part in a discussion they have every >>right to take part in. > > >Youre a really trooper aren't you going around defending stuff. Give this >guy a pineapple. > >>Absolutely. The debate between the artists could have gone on privately, >>but they decided to make it public. > >What does that accomplish for some ignorant little bastard to chime in on >stuff he knows little about? Are you going to restore homeostasis to >everything? Are you going to enlighten us beyond what has already been >discussed? > > >>I mean, if Plaid and Black Dog have >>the right to settle their personal conficts on a an email list, then >>surely >>I can respond to it. > >Yeah settle conflicts that you are involved in and have some knowledge >about. Don't prance around showing your knickers unless you know something. > >>Of course it is, but either way, they asked for whatever criticism they've >>gotten. Anyway, thanks for responding (seriously, I appreciate it). > >you got big shot > >>>From: "Ron Jeremy" <galactic_funk@hotmail.com> >>>To: chill_vibrator@hotmail.com, idm@hyperreal.org >>>CC: peterb@ixpres.com >>>Subject: Re: [idm] Re: the Plaid/BD thing >>>Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 17:27:21 PDT >>> >>>>From: "Will Simmons" <chill_simulator@hotmail.com> >>>> >>>>We don't have any part in this debate huh? >>> >>>Not unless you are one of the parties or lawyers. Why should some snot >>>nosed punk like yourself get involved? Do you hold any degrees in law or >>>have experience in matters such as these? If so, give a professional >>>opinion. If not, then don't act like you know anything. Because it's not >>>a >>>clear cut black & white thing, there are probably lots of gray areas and >>>stuff we don't know about. >>> >>>>Well that sounds very odd >>>>considering the whole thing emerged from the mailing list. >>> >>>So what mate? If you mentioned on this that your mother didn't breast >>>feed >>>you. Does that gives us to right to make tons of assumptions on things we >>>don't know. By the way did she? >>> >>>>BD/Plaid are >>>>members of the list, and apparently they pay attention to it since they >>>>managed to notice each other's posts. >>> >>>Yeah Black Dog is, I'm not so sure Plaid normally is. It is conceivable >>>that they were told of the dispute and joined the list to clear the air. >>> >>>Like the other person said, if you're >>>>tired of >>>>the topic, don't talk about it. >>> >>>Yeah, and a wise guy I once knew said avoid acting like you know stuff >>>when >>>you don't. >>> >>>>I'm sure your comment is only gonna make >>>>the whole thing linger on more than you want it to. >>> >>>It should have died a while ago. >>> >>>- Rj >>> >> >>______________________________________________________ >>Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com >> >

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quoted 6 lines From: "Will Simmons" <chill_simulator@hotmail.com>

>From: "Will Simmons" <chill_simulator@hotmail.com> > >First of all, I'd like to make clear that I have not taken sides on the >topic: I'm not for either Black Dog or Plaid. I tried to make that clear >in >my last email, but you didn't get it apparently.

Once again my brother, I never said you were taking one side or the other. Read my posts a little better, if you respond Once again I am saying unless you know the facts, sit the fuck down. Everyone could ramble on BS hypotheses all fucking day, and not be even close to the mark. If you want to talk out of your ass go ahead, but don't expect people to not diss you.

quoted 3 lines In fact I don't think

>In fact I don't think >anyone besides plaid and black dog could have a sound opinion at this >point.

Thanks for agreeing with me, that's basically what I was saying.

quoted 5 lines But regardless, because plaid and black dog decided to broadcast their

>But regardless, because plaid and black dog decided to broadcast their >troubles to the 1000+ members of the list, they've asked for any >accusations >they've gotten. And let's not forget, both artists encouraged the list >members to take sides. Do these idmers get anything from talking about it?

Part of Black Dog post seemed worthy of mentioning, and part was talking shit. Look what kind of crap responses came out of it, you get people cheerleading for Plaid and some people talking shit about BD or Plaid. If someone truly know both sides and wants to talk about it unbiasedly go ahead. Otherwise, drop the shit and wait until we hear some news. I highly doubt it's as simple as some people have hypothesized. More than a clear cut black or white case.

quoted 3 lines Not really. Do they expect to alter the whole thing? Probably not. But

>Not really. Do they expect to alter the whole thing? Probably not. But >they do have something to say about it, even if it's nothing good to say >(and chances are it's not).

Yeah, well let them talk about it. Those that are involved and know.

quoted 4 lines But anyway, if a person is going to post a

>But anyway, if a person is going to post a >message, especially a negative message, they can only expect to get it >right >back in their face. Such has happened to bd and plaid.

Some discussion yes..sure...but let's not make it into some bullshit drama not based on facts. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org