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1998-10-05 17:16Psuckpop (idm) electronic music grrrls?
├─ 1998-10-05 18:18laerm Re: (idm) electronic music grrrls?
└─ 1998-10-05 20:12Elizabeth Olson Re: (idm) electronic music grrrls?
1998-10-05 18:23Ernesto Ikerd Re: (idm) electronic music grrrls?
1998-10-05 19:02john r. jacobus Re: (idm) electronic music grrrls?
1998-10-05 20:20John Bush Re: (idm) electronic music grrrls?
└─ 1998-10-05 21:48zimbo Re: (idm) electronic music grrrls?
1998-10-05 21:25rod a lester Re: (idm) electronic music grrrls?
1998-10-06 16:46ninphil Re: (idm) electronic music grrrls?
1998-10-06 22:52rod a lester Re: (idm) electronic music grrrls?
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1998-10-05 17:16PsuckpopFollowing text is an information/manifesto from a new label named *Homewrecker Records* fo
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Following text is an information/manifesto from a new label named *Homewrecker Records* founded by Hecate (co-owner of Zhark Records) and another girl/woman named Siobhan... Something like a girl/woman/female author label... what let me ask: are they any females on this 800+ members list who produce electronic music? and if not, are they any females on the list? if yes. what they think about that statement? or is the idm list 100% male dominated? ------------------------------------------------------------------ Sex is Vinyl. Homewrecker Recordings exists on multiple levels (as label, ideology, politics and practice) in a multitude of locations (North America, Europe - the world) and amongst a multiplicity of identities (gender, sexuality, ethnicity, class...). Born of a want, a need and a desire to include the issue of "gender" and its problematics into not only the lexicon of a certain mode of music, within a certain conceptual sphere, but also into various ways of being. Homewrecker Recordings recognizes the shifting, the unstable and the contested pronouncement of "gender" "female" "(wo)man" or "girl" or even the questions raised concerning the notion of (cultural) identity. Yet, Homewrecker Recordings deliberately seeks out this contested terrain in order to force the issue onto the (turn)table. In a patriarchal system the politics of gender do indeed matter. The abstractions approximated by music, the potential anonymity afforded by the technology, the means of dissemination or distribution, in some respect works to mask the function of gender and gender issues in electronic music. White or black labels do not speak of sex. But music is never sexless. Unbounded by historical circumstance, the relatively new genre of electronic music is, paradoxically, profoundly tied to patriarchal culture. The question arises, who made this record, for whom was it made, how does it circulate and within what context? The label takes up these issues through a strict set of musical and gendered parameters within a specific context: all female producers and all electronic/digital music/noise. We aim to sex music. We participate in a politics of exclusion merely to dislodge, disrupt and displace the comfy covert politics of exclusion taking place in (some) electronic music and labels of an extreme nature. Ironically, this politics of exclusion has also fostered the dangerous practice of appropriating the female form and its connotations; the same male structure in a feminine guise. Women up front with the men in the back (and in control). The female body and voice is presented totally without agency. Put on display. Consumed. Passive. That game is old and boring. Homewrecker Recordings is provocation.... Homewrecking...Destroy the patriarchy - Dismantle the familial structure - Demolish traditional female roles... The labels's aim is it's own destruction - we will work to become obsolete. We hope Homewrecker Recordings will be but an additional level in a myriad of political/musical/cooperative workings. An international grass roots approach is the means by which its artists shall come into being. Perhaps she does not yet exist, or she exists unknown in a Tokyo highrise or in a basement in Idaho - we'll hook up eventually. The label recognizes the various manifestations of the female, the existence of feminisms. Being pro-female does not mean we are anti-male. Homewrecker Recordings functions as a discursive site. To open up debate, dialogue, and criticality around the problematics of gender and its intersection with music. Female trouble. Evening the score. Hysteria. Resistance. Whatever you want to call it - we've had enough. It all starts and stops here. *for contact send mail to: rachael@gonebad.net *for hecate interview goto: http://www.digitalworldnet.com/artists/hecate.html
1998-10-05 18:18laermOn Mon, 5 Oct 1998, Psuckpop wrote: > Following text is an information/manifesto from a ne
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On Mon, 5 Oct 1998, Psuckpop wrote:
quoted 7 lines Following text is an information/manifesto from a new label named> Following text is an information/manifesto from a new label named > *Homewrecker Records* founded by Hecate (co-owner of Zhark Records) and > another girl/woman named Siobhan... Something like a girl/woman/female > author label... what let me ask: are they any females on this 800+ > members list who produce electronic music? and if not, are they any > females on the list? if yes. what they think about that statement? or is > the idm list 100% male dominated?
[snippage of the manifesto] i am left with an overwhelming desire to say something. but i won't. * #### a disturbance in a system. #### laerm. @voicenet.com ##:# i nostri sogni sono sempre presenti
1998-10-05 20:12Elizabeth OlsonOk. For once (again) I will not keep my big mouth shut... I get really sick and tired of a
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Ok. For once (again) I will not keep my big mouth shut... I get really sick and tired of any woman in male 'dominated' field trying to play off her girl-ness. It discredits the gender, and generally trivializes whatever they're trying to do. It's playing a card, in my eyes, and a pretty worn one at that. You have issues? Fine. You'd just better have some *worth* to go with them, and fucking *run* with it. It's not just saying somethign 'cos you've got something to say, but because you know how to *say* it. It gets really old, being a female in a technological field, and not one of the many who 'flaunt it' and try to make it as if they deserve something for having a given set of genitalia. Guess what. It's just as goddamned bad as the OTHER SIDE doing it, ok? I don't see Bjork or Mira Calyx or wheover else you guys love arguing about really playing up their female-ness - I didn't see any sticker on their records saying "IS A GIRL!". So what's the bfd? I can see where being female/male/whatever may impact the music, it's a different perspective, but what is up with making that a 'selling point?' Bleah. Off my frigging soapbox already. You really shouldn't have asked. :-) On Mon, 5 Oct 1998, Psuckpop wrote:
quoted 72 lines Following text is an information/manifesto from a new label named> Following text is an information/manifesto from a new label named > *Homewrecker Records* founded by Hecate (co-owner of Zhark Records) and > another girl/woman named Siobhan... Something like a girl/woman/female > author label... what let me ask: are they any females on this 800+ > members list who produce electronic music? and if not, are they any > females on the list? if yes. what they think about that statement? or is > the idm list 100% male dominated? > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Sex is Vinyl. > > Homewrecker Recordings exists on multiple levels (as label, > ideology, politics and practice) in a multitude of locations (North > America, Europe - the world) and amongst a multiplicity of > identities (gender, sexuality, ethnicity, class...). Born of a > want, a need and a desire to include the issue of "gender" and its > problematics into not only the lexicon of a certain mode of music, > within a certain conceptual sphere, but also into various ways of > being. Homewrecker Recordings recognizes the shifting, the unstable > and the contested pronouncement of "gender" "female" "(wo)man" or > "girl" or even the questions raised concerning the notion of > (cultural) identity. Yet, Homewrecker Recordings deliberately seeks > out this contested terrain in order to force the issue onto the > (turn)table. In a patriarchal system the politics of gender do > indeed matter. > > The abstractions approximated by music, the potential anonymity > afforded by the technology, the means of dissemination or > distribution, in some respect works to mask the function of gender > and gender issues in electronic music. White or black labels do not > speak of sex. But music is never sexless. Unbounded by historical > circumstance, the relatively new genre of electronic music is, > paradoxically, profoundly tied to patriarchal culture. The question > arises, who made this record, for whom was it made, how does it > circulate and within what context? > > The label takes up these issues through a strict set of musical and > gendered parameters within a specific context: all female producers > and all electronic/digital music/noise. We aim to sex music. We > participate in a politics of exclusion merely to dislodge, disrupt > and displace the comfy covert politics of exclusion taking place in > (some) electronic music and labels of an extreme nature. > Ironically, this politics of exclusion has also fostered the > dangerous practice of appropriating the female form and its > connotations; the same male structure in a feminine guise. Women up > front with the men in the back (and in control). The female body > and voice is presented totally without agency. Put on display. > Consumed. Passive. That game is old and boring. > > Homewrecker Recordings is provocation.... Homewrecking...Destroy > the patriarchy - Dismantle the familial structure - Demolish > traditional female roles... The labels's aim is it's own > destruction - we will work to become obsolete. We hope Homewrecker > Recordings will be but an additional level in a myriad of > political/musical/cooperative workings. An international grass > roots approach is the means by which its artists shall come into > being. Perhaps she does not yet exist, or she exists unknown in a > Tokyo highrise or in a basement in Idaho - we'll hook up > eventually. The label recognizes the various manifestations of the > female, the existence of feminisms. Being pro-female does not mean > we are anti-male. Homewrecker Recordings functions as a discursive > site. To open up debate, dialogue, and criticality around the > problematics of gender and its intersection with music. > > Female trouble. Evening the score. Hysteria. Resistance. Whatever > you want to call it - we've had enough. It all starts and stops > here. > > *for contact send mail to: rachael@gonebad.net > > *for hecate interview goto: > http://www.digitalworldnet.com/artists/hecate.html >
-- greyrose@nervosa.sf.ca.us http://www.extortion.com "Millions of human hands at work, billions of minds...a vast network, screaming with life: an organism. A natural organism." - Max Cohen, in the motion picture pi
1998-10-05 18:23Ernesto Ikerd> >Homewrecker Recordings is provocation.... Homewrecking...Destroy >the patriarchy - Dism
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quoted 5 lines Homewrecker Recordings is provocation.... Homewrecking...Destroy> >Homewrecker Recordings is provocation.... Homewrecking...Destroy >the patriarchy - Dismantle the familial structure - Demolish >traditional female roles... The labels's aim is it's own >destruction - we will work to become obsolete.
Sounds good, but you may wanna keep your investors in the dark about this bullet-point ;) sorry couldnt resist. ernie Ernesto Ikerd, (817) 763-4795 Company Graphics, Dept 17, MZ-1156 Lockheed Martin Tactical Aircraft Systems Fort Worth, Texas
1998-10-05 19:02john r. jacobus>> Following text is an information/manifesto from a new label named >> *Homewrecker Recor
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quoted 14 lines Following text is an information/manifesto from a new label named>> Following text is an information/manifesto from a new label named >> *Homewrecker Records* founded by Hecate (co-owner of Zhark Records) >and >> another girl/woman named Siobhan... Something like a >girl/woman/female >> author label... what let me ask: are they any females on this 800+ >> members list who produce electronic music? and if not, are they any >> females on the list? if yes. what they think about that statement? >or is >> the idm list 100% male dominated? > >[snippage of the manifesto] > >i am left with an overwhelming desire to say something. but i won't.
I know! How about an IDM beauty pageant! <ducks> john np: maurizio . ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]
1998-10-05 20:20John BushI'm amazed... An honest, intelligent response is the first message to make it through the
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I'm amazed... An honest, intelligent response is the first message to make it through the ether to my computer (maybe I just missed a few of the more inflammatory ones?). As soon as I saw the original "electronic music grrrls" post, I thought -- 'Oh no, here it comes, prepare to ignore everything else with this Subject: line for the next few days." I'm glad I didn't...thanks, Elizabeth. .John. NP: John Zorn - Spy Vs. Spy WP: Merzbow & Null - Deus Irae Mmmm......noise... :~)
quoted 28 lines Ok. For once (again) I will not keep my big mouth shut...> Ok. For once (again) I will not keep my big mouth shut... > > I get really sick and tired of any woman in male 'dominated' > field trying to play off her girl-ness. It discredits the gender, > and generally trivializes whatever they're trying to do. It's > playing a card, in my eyes, and a pretty worn one at that. You have > issues? Fine. You'd just better have some *worth* to go with them, > and fucking *run* with it. It's not just saying somethign 'cos you've > got something to say, but because you know how to *say* it. It gets > really old, being a female in a technological field, and not one > of the many who 'flaunt it' and try to make it as if they deserve > something for having a given set of genitalia. Guess what. It's > just as goddamned bad as the OTHER SIDE doing it, ok? I don't see > Bjork or Mira Calyx or wheover else you guys love arguing about > really playing up their female-ness - I didn't see any sticker > on their records saying "IS A GIRL!". So what's the bfd? I can see > where being female/male/whatever may impact the music, it's a > different perspective, but what is up with making that a 'selling > point?' > > Bleah. Off my frigging soapbox already. You really shouldn't have > asked. :-) > > > On Mon, 5 Oct 1998, Psuckpop wrote: > > > Following text is an information/manifesto from a new label named > > *Homewrecker Records* founded by Hecate (co-owner of Zhark Records) and
quoted 4 lines another girl/woman named Siobhan... Something like a girl/woman/female> > another girl/woman named Siobhan... Something like a girl/woman/female > > author label... what let me ask: are they any females on this 800+ > > members list who produce electronic music? and if not, are they any > > females on the list? if yes. what they think about that statement? or
is
quoted 73 lines the idm list 100% male dominated?> > the idm list 100% male dominated? > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Sex is Vinyl. > > > > Homewrecker Recordings exists on multiple levels (as label, > > ideology, politics and practice) in a multitude of locations (North > > America, Europe - the world) and amongst a multiplicity of > > identities (gender, sexuality, ethnicity, class...). Born of a > > want, a need and a desire to include the issue of "gender" and its > > problematics into not only the lexicon of a certain mode of music, > > within a certain conceptual sphere, but also into various ways of > > being. Homewrecker Recordings recognizes the shifting, the unstable > > and the contested pronouncement of "gender" "female" "(wo)man" or > > "girl" or even the questions raised concerning the notion of > > (cultural) identity. Yet, Homewrecker Recordings deliberately seeks > > out this contested terrain in order to force the issue onto the > > (turn)table. In a patriarchal system the politics of gender do > > indeed matter. > > > > The abstractions approximated by music, the potential anonymity > > afforded by the technology, the means of dissemination or > > distribution, in some respect works to mask the function of gender > > and gender issues in electronic music. White or black labels do not > > speak of sex. But music is never sexless. Unbounded by historical > > circumstance, the relatively new genre of electronic music is, > > paradoxically, profoundly tied to patriarchal culture. The question > > arises, who made this record, for whom was it made, how does it > > circulate and within what context? > > > > The label takes up these issues through a strict set of musical and > > gendered parameters within a specific context: all female producers > > and all electronic/digital music/noise. We aim to sex music. We > > participate in a politics of exclusion merely to dislodge, disrupt > > and displace the comfy covert politics of exclusion taking place in > > (some) electronic music and labels of an extreme nature. > > Ironically, this politics of exclusion has also fostered the > > dangerous practice of appropriating the female form and its > > connotations; the same male structure in a feminine guise. Women up > > front with the men in the back (and in control). The female body > > and voice is presented totally without agency. Put on display. > > Consumed. Passive. That game is old and boring. > > > > Homewrecker Recordings is provocation.... Homewrecking...Destroy > > the patriarchy - Dismantle the familial structure - Demolish > > traditional female roles... The labels's aim is it's own > > destruction - we will work to become obsolete. We hope Homewrecker > > Recordings will be but an additional level in a myriad of > > political/musical/cooperative workings. An international grass > > roots approach is the means by which its artists shall come into > > being. Perhaps she does not yet exist, or she exists unknown in a > > Tokyo highrise or in a basement in Idaho - we'll hook up > > eventually. The label recognizes the various manifestations of the > > female, the existence of feminisms. Being pro-female does not mean > > we are anti-male. Homewrecker Recordings functions as a discursive > > site. To open up debate, dialogue, and criticality around the > > problematics of gender and its intersection with music. > > > > Female trouble. Evening the score. Hysteria. Resistance. Whatever > > you want to call it - we've had enough. It all starts and stops > > here. > > > > *for contact send mail to: rachael@gonebad.net > > > > *for hecate interview goto: > > http://www.digitalworldnet.com/artists/hecate.html > > > > -- > greyrose@nervosa.sf.ca.us http://www.extortion.com > > "Millions of human hands at work, billions of minds...a vast > network, screaming with life: an organism. A natural organism." > - Max Cohen, in the motion picture pi
1998-10-05 21:48zimboOn Mon, 5 Oct 1998, John Bush wrote: > I'm amazed... An honest, intelligent response is th
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On Mon, 5 Oct 1998, John Bush wrote:
quoted 10 lines I'm amazed... An honest, intelligent response is the first message to make> I'm amazed... An honest, intelligent response is the first message to make > it through the ether to my computer (maybe I just missed a few of the more > inflammatory ones?). As soon as I saw the original "electronic music > grrrls" post, I thought -- 'Oh no, here it comes, prepare to ignore > everything else with this Subject: line for the next few days." > > I'm glad I didn't...thanks, Elizabeth. > > > .John.
i cant promise intelligent, but, i feel the need to chime in here: it seems to me that the electronic music scene, as with any music scene, is super male dominated -- the labels, the artists, the audience.. so any attempt to welcome in more female participants is welcome (and encouraged!) what i dont get is turning the whole "male-ness" of idm into a political mess. it seems to me that the electronic andnoise scene is the ideal situation for "generless" music because there is so often no name/face attached to the sounds. so why not just encourange all those with talent to make the music, and enjoy it? male/female/whatever. but again, i was recently complaining that the audience for the music i like is way too testosterone -- but please, dont turn the hopes of getting more female involvment into a bullshit gender battle. its not needed. thats all chris.
1998-10-05 21:25rod a lester???л "an eccentric millionaire, just with no money" On Mon, 5 Oct 1998 15:02:24 -0400 hauj
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???л "an eccentric millionaire, just with no money" On Mon, 5 Oct 1998 15:02:24 -0400 haujohn@juno.com (john r. jacobus) writes:
quoted 5 lines Following text is an information/manifesto from a new label named>>> Following text is an information/manifesto from a new label named >>> *Homewrecker Records* founded by Hecate (co-owner of Zhark Records) > >>and >>> another girl/woman named Siobhan... Something like a
girl/woman/female
quoted 4 lines author label... what let me ask: are they any females on this 800+>>> author label... what let me ask: are they any females on this 800+ >>> members list who produce electronic music? and if not, are they any > >>> females on the list? if yes. what they think about that statement? or
is
quoted 7 lines the idm list 100% male dominated?>>> the idm list 100% male dominated? >>>[snippage of the manifesto] >> >>i am left with an overwhelming desire to say something. but i won't. > > >I know! How about an IDM beauty pageant!
hey that just gave me an excellent idea!!!! ok here's the plan... ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]
1998-10-06 16:46ninphil>>I know! How about an IDM beauty pageant! > >hey that just gave me an excellent idea!!!!
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quoted 3 lines I know! How about an IDM beauty pageant!>>I know! How about an IDM beauty pageant! > >hey that just gave me an excellent idea!!!! ok here's the plan...
Hey wait a minute here..I won the Miss IDM didn't you know...my reigning year isn't even half way over you bastards!!! Where's my mink, makeup and feminine hygene freebees...Jesus no respect from you gender restricting bunch of testoterone patriarchs!!!Stop represssing me I'm suffocating.. sorry grrls, but I gave up that socio-political gender patriarchy bullshit in University...To all the chicks out there...and I know you are out there...you know you are smarter...you know you are cooler and you definately know you are able to do whatever the fuck you want in this world and industry if you want...repression is a state of mind... luv and kisses philippa reigning Miss IDM- stealthy not wealthy
1998-10-06 22:52rod a lesterOn Tue, 6 Oct 98 12:46:40 -0400 ninphil <ninphil@generation.net> writes: >>>I know! How ab
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On Tue, 6 Oct 98 12:46:40 -0400 ninphil <ninphil@generation.net> writes:
quoted 3 lines I know! How about an IDM beauty pageant!>>>I know! How about an IDM beauty pageant! >> >>hey that just gave me an excellent idea!!!! ok here's the plan...
couldn't help it, i had to send this.
quoted 2 lines Hey wait a minute here..I won the Miss IDM didn't you know...myreigning>Hey wait a minute here..I won the Miss IDM didn't you know...myreigning >year isn't even half way over you bastards!!! Where's my mink, makeup
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quoted 4 lines feminine hygene freebees...Jesus no respect from you gender restricting>feminine hygene freebees...Jesus no respect from you gender restricting >bunch of testoterone patriarchs!!!Stop represssing me I'm suffocating.. >sorry grrls, but I gave up that socio-political gender patriarchy >bullshit in University...To all the chicks out there...and I know you
are
quoted 8 lines out there...you know you are smarter...you know you are cooler and you>out there...you know you are smarter...you know you are cooler and you >definately know you are able to do whatever the fuck you want in this >world and industry if you want...repression is a state of mind... >luv and kisses >philippa >reigning Miss IDM- > >stealthy not wealthy
Md. IDM? Ms. IDM? baby, if you want it, you gotta flaunt it. you gotta where the title proudly. i haven't seen it so much in your latest messages. don't worry...you'll probably end up being Ms. IDM forever anyway. i don't think i could get away with doing it again. unless... ???л "an eccentric millionaire, just with no money" ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]