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quoted 13 lines download: whoever said they weren't IDM was wrong. I'm beginning to

> download: whoever said they weren't IDM was wrong. I'm beginning to > like download a lot, even though they can be a little cheesy, their > music is almost always "good." I definitely like "Eyes of stanley > pain" and "Charlie's family" better than "III", although they're all > good. charlie's is probably the best, mostly because it's one of the > most fucked up and weird things I've ever heard, and I like things > like that. eyes is good as well for "industrial noise" content, and > also has some truly messed up sounds. III just seems like they > decided to eliminate the industrial noise and just stick to techno > with good beats. I like the others better mainly because I don't have > a lot of similar stuff, while III is more standard. oh yeah - is > skinny puppy worth investigating? >

yes, i'd definately say that skinny puppy is worth investigating. while my contact w/ them has been pretty limited, i can whole-heartedly recommend last rights and too dark park. the only caveat is ogre's voice - if you really cannot deal w/ vocals you might not be able to tolerate these cds. the little exposure i have to spuppy's older stuff (vivisect vi) has not impressed me as much. which brings up a question from me - if i like tdp & last rights, what other skinny puppy do i need? oh yeah, if you don't have the sidewinder ep from download get it now. lots of great music, in an eyes of stanley pain fashion. in fact all download is worth hearing, imho. ethan ps - i finally bought lesser's welcome to the american experience, and i like it a bunch, except where they seem to fall on a d'n'b crutch for energy and movement (track1). the noisier & less structured stuff (esp track2) make me weepy w/ joy...

quoted 8 lines yes, i'd definately say that skinny puppy is worth investigating. while

> yes, i'd definately say that skinny puppy is worth investigating. while > my contact w/ them has been pretty limited, i can whole-heartedly > recommend last rights and too dark park. the only caveat is ogre's > voice - if you really cannot deal w/ vocals you might not be able to > tolerate these cds. the little exposure i have to spuppy's older stuff > (vivisect vi) has not impressed me as much. which brings up a question > from me - if i like tdp & last rights, what other skinny puppy do i > need?

I'd recommend the _12" Anthology_ (still available?) for just about all of their best tracks IMO, from circa 1985-1989. If you want to dig deeper, _Bites/Remission_ (first EP + first album) is quite good if a little spotty and the_Back & Forth Series, Vol. 2_ has some really good early tracks (including the prescient "My Voice Sounds Like Shit" -- I kid you not!). You'd probably be quite happy with just _12" Anthology_ though... There are also a lot of various SP projects other than Download, old and new -- Rx has Ogre/Martin Atkins, the Tear Garden had Edward Ka-Spel and cEvin Key, Doubting Thomas had some people, Hilt had some people, blah blah... .John.

john b said:

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> ... There > are also a lot of various SP projects other than Download, old and new > -- > Rx has Ogre/Martin Atkins, the Tear Garden had Edward Ka-Spel and > cEvin > Key, Doubting Thomas had some people, Hilt had some people, blah > blah... > > .John. >

yes, most bands that spuppy artists are a part of are quite good. i heard a bit of Rx at a tower listening station expecting to feel bad for poor ogre. yike, was i wrong. if i hadn't already found a couple of discs that i wanted, i probably would have bought it... also, the subconscious compilation "paradigm shift" is certainly worth checking out for lots o' post-puppy fun, plus one of the best (unreleased) puppy songs i've heard to boot... sometimes i feel like, because of seemingly arbitrary label, idm-ers are afraid to delve too far into industrial land. but don't feel bad, it's ever worse on RMI, where some people continually yell about "keeping the purity of industrial music alive". wacky. ethan

On Fri, 4 Sep 1998 09:30:23 -0400, "Bordeaux, Ethan" <Ethan.Bordeaux@analog.com> writes:

quoted 11 lines yes, i'd definately say that skinny puppy is worth investigating.

>yes, i'd definately say that skinny puppy is worth investigating. >while >my contact w/ them has been pretty limited, i can whole-heartedly >recommend last rights and too dark park. the only caveat is ogre's >voice - if you really cannot deal w/ vocals you might not be able to >tolerate these cds. the little exposure i have to spuppy's older >stuff >(vivisect vi) has not impressed me as much. which brings up a >question >from me - if i like tdp & last rights, what other skinny puppy do i >need?

Oh, I'd say: Back & Forth vol2 Remission Bites Mind: The Perpetual Intercourse Cleanse, Fold, and Manipulate Ain't It Dead Yet? 12inch Anthology Rabies The Process Brap and all of the singles. All Download & Doubting Thomas is good, too.

On 09/04/98 09:30:23 you wrote:

quoted 8 lines yes, i'd definately say that skinny puppy is worth investigating. while

>yes, i'd definately say that skinny puppy is worth investigating. while >my contact w/ them has been pretty limited, i can whole-heartedly >recommend last rights and too dark park. the only caveat is ogre's >voice - if you really cannot deal w/ vocals you might not be able to >tolerate these cds. the little exposure i have to spuppy's older stuff >(vivisect vi) has not impressed me as much. which brings up a question >from me - if i like tdp & last rights, what other skinny puppy do i >need?

maybe "cleanse fold and manipulate"...the two you mentioned are prolly their best works, much of the earlier stuff was along the lines of vivisect 6 "a dream is worth a thousand pictures, the mouths of lampreys a thousand more..."

On Sun, 6 Sep 1998 thatcat@ix.netcom.com wrote:

quoted 11 lines On 09/04/98 09:30:23 you wrote:

> On 09/04/98 09:30:23 you wrote: > >yes, i'd definately say that skinny puppy is worth investigating. while > >my contact w/ them has been pretty limited, i can whole-heartedly > >recommend last rights and too dark park. the only caveat is ogre's > >voice - if you really cannot deal w/ vocals you might not be able to > >tolerate these cds. the little exposure i have to spuppy's older stuff > >(vivisect vi) has not impressed me as much. which brings up a question > >from me - if i like tdp & last rights, what other skinny puppy do i > >need? > > maybe "cleanse fold and manipulate"...the two you mentioned are prolly their best works, much of the earlier stuff was along the lines of vivisect 6

viviSECTvi was probably SP's best album. I strongly recommend Download III and Charlie's family, which I feel are both perfect albums. Also, the new cevin key solo album (Music for Cats) is fucking amazing. Even my cat approves! meow. Once you've played Download to death, you can start listening to all the Dan Myers related projects. Haujobb (especially the new Matrix remix album) and Newt (-273C and the matching remix album) fall into that industrial/idm crossover sound that the kids have been going nuts about. Steve -- Steve Simitzis : steve@saturn5.com || steve@criticalpath.net : "Hup!" - R.Crumb \ simitzis /sim' - i - jees/ (n) an unpronounceable string of random letters / \ Critical Path : saturn5 Productions : hath the daemon spawn no fire? / \ operators are standing by : 415-282-9979 (h) 415-808-8725 (w) /

On Wed, 9 Sep 1998, Steve Simitzis wrote:

quoted 4 lines Once you've played Download to death, you can start listening to all the

> Once you've played Download to death, you can start listening to all the > Dan Myers related projects. Haujobb (especially the new Matrix remix > album) and Newt (-273C and the matching remix album) fall into that > industrial/idm crossover sound that the kids have been going nuts about.

once you've brought up haujobb, i'm there! :) yeah, buy anything by NEWT. it's the most idm-y. also check out: haujobb _matrix_, _solutions for a small planet_, _cleaned visions_ cd5 dots and dashes (label: form and function) myer (label: groove attack) s'apex (label: poets' club) hexer (label: poets' club) forma tadre oh, coincidentally, i run the haujobb. mailing list: www.voicenet.com/~laerm/haujobb/ biosphere "poa alpina" * #### a disturbance in a system. #### laerm. @voicenet.com #### a fortune cookie i ate 08/06/98 told me: "a girlfriend is a wine bottle. a wife is a bottle of wine."

In my opinion, the best thing Skinny Puppy did as a band or as a side project is Doubting Thomas. All instrumental, I can't imagine any IDM head not enjoying their works, which consist of a full length, "The Infidel", and an ep, recently reissued with extra tracks, entitled "Father Don't Cry". peace clockwise np: Scanner "Delivery"

Steve Simitzis wrote:

quoted 2 lines viviSECTvi was probably SP's best album. I strongly recommend Download

>viviSECTvi was probably SP's best album. I strongly recommend Download >III and Charlie's family, which I feel are both perfect albums.

I'd have to disagree here. . . imnsho, Last Rights (Pure Genius) was Skuppy's best followed by VIVIsectVI, and as for Download, The Eyes of Stanley Pain is the better album, although I haven't heard Furnace or Charlie's Family yet. . .

quoted 6 lines Once you've played Download to death, you can start listening to all

>Once you've played Download to death, you can start listening to all >the >Dan Myers related projects. Haujobb (especially the new Matrix remix >album) and Newt (-273C and the matching remix album) fall into that >industrial/idm crossover sound that the kids have been going nuts >about.

Agreed of course. . . ;) john "Aphex Twin is killing me. . . with feeling."

it's interesting to hear how split people are about download albums. it seems like download fans are perfectly divided between thinking either furnace, TEoSP or III is the best they've done. personally, i think TEoSP is tops (if the whole cd was just glassblower i'd be in heaven). furnace is quite good, & III just feels somehow... lacking. maybe i went into it w/ the wrong expectations, but i'm an unsatisfied customer. with this is mind, would i like charlie's family & music for cats? some people have said that chharlie's family feels a little like coil, which is music to my ears... and as for haujobb related stuff, i'd agree that newt is very IDM friendly, but i also think it's a little dull. granted, i only listened to it in my car, but i found it boring even as background music. however, both solutions for a small planet and freeze frame reality are really good stuff. with this in mind, would matrix be a bad purchase? what about the other myers productions? i know they're d'n'b-ish, but others have said it feels like autechre (which is a good thing). oh, and i think the cleaned visions ep is drivel... the lexauculpt ep on isophlux is quite good if a bit... sparse. however, the last song would of knocked me over if i wasn't already lying down. ethan now reading: hyperspace (michio kaku)

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> ---------- > From: laerm[SMTP:laerm@voicenet.com] > Sent: Thursday, September 10, 1998 1.48 PM > To: idm@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: (idm) download/skinny puppy & lesser > > On Wed, 9 Sep 1998, Steve Simitzis wrote: > > > Once you've played Download to death, you can start listening to all > the > > Dan Myers related projects. Haujobb (especially the new Matrix remix > > album) and Newt (-273C and the matching remix album) fall into that > > industrial/idm crossover sound that the kids have been going nuts > about. > > once you've brought up haujobb, i'm there! :) > > yeah, buy anything by NEWT. it's the most idm-y. also check out: > haujobb _matrix_, _solutions for a small planet_, _cleaned visions_ > cd5 > dots and dashes (label: form and function) > myer (label: groove attack) > s'apex (label: poets' club) > hexer (label: poets' club) > forma tadre > > > oh, coincidentally, i run the haujobb. mailing list: > www.voicenet.com/~laerm/haujobb/ > > biosphere "poa alpina" > > * > > #### > a disturbance in a system. > #### > laerm. @voicenet.com > #### > a fortune cookie i ate 08/06/98 told me: "a girlfriend > is a > wine bottle. a wife is a bottle of > wine." >

On Thu, 10 Sep 1998, Bordeaux, Ethan wrote:

quoted 3 lines with this is mind, would i like charlie's family & music for cats? some

> with this is mind, would i like charlie's family & music for cats? some > people have said that chharlie's family feels a little like coil, which > is music to my ears...

hm. i'd hafta say you would like _charlie's family_, but not _music for cats_. and as for the coil bit - i'd say _charlie's family_ reminds one of _black light district_, a bit.

quoted 3 lines and as for haujobb related stuff, i'd agree that newt is very IDM

> and as for haujobb related stuff, i'd agree that newt is very IDM > friendly, but i also think it's a little dull. granted, i only listened > to it in my car, but i found it boring even as background music.

_-273C_, the NEWT album, takes ome in-depth listening to fully enjoy. i recommend putting it on while falling asleep or cyberpunking about on the 'net. :) however, _phaseshifting_, the recent remix ep, grabs one's attention immediately, though. very cold, space-age, futuristic drum'n'bass. i think luigi rossolo looks down on NEWT and smiles. :)

quoted 2 lines however, both solutions for a small planet and freeze frame reality are

> however, both solutions for a small planet and freeze frame reality are > really good stuff. with this in mind, would matrix be a bad purchase?

matrix is easily the most "out-there" and least industrial record by them. however, it's not industrial in the traditional sense (haujobb, mentallo & the fixer, leastherstrip, any of the modern electro bands that are haujobb's peers). it's still dark and cold and electronic and harsh, but just largely without vocals and any real dancefloor accessibility. a few tracks do have this neat kinda "droney seefeel electronics meets autechre harsh beats" thing goin' on, too. :)

quoted 2 lines what about the other myers productions? i know they're d'n'b-ish, but

> what about the other myers productions? i know they're d'n'b-ish, but > others have said it feels like autechre (which is a good thing).

find the dots and dashes full-length, recently out on form'n'function, distributed by rough trade DE. 9 tracks of harsh, dark, spacy, d'n'b joy. same goes for the brand-new s'apex album on poets' club.

quoted 1 line and i think the cleaned visions ep is drivel...

> and i think the cleaned visions ep is drivel...

yeah, but it's worth $6 for the extended mix and the forma tadre mix, if not the forma tadre mix alone.

quoted 3 lines the lexauculpt ep on isophlux is quite good if a bit... sparse.

> the lexauculpt ep on isophlux is quite good if a bit... sparse. > however, the last song would of knocked me over if i wasn't already > lying down.

i've been hearing so much about these guys, but from the descriptions it doesn't sound exactly like my cup of tea. yet, i feel i should hear them. are there samples anywhere on the net? * #### a disturbance in a system. #### laerm. @voicenet.com #### a fortune cookie i ate 08/06/98 told me: "a girlfriend is a wine bottle. a wife is a bottle of wine."