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At 03:02 AM 9/18/98 -0000, a variety of people's typed:

quoted 1 line Does anyone know when it officially comes out?

>Does anyone know when it officially comes out?

Per _Bad Blood_. It is out now...in the UK. US release is slated for next month. Wonderful disc. Easily going to be my favorite of 1998. Nothing can top it (at least I can't imagine anything that can....) Plus upcoming remixes by Company Flow, Alec Empire, and Scotty Hard!

quoted 1 line WHOA! blixa does hiphop? fucked-up! i am THERE.

>WHOA! blixa does hiphop? fucked-up! i am THERE.

His participation is quite small actually.

quoted 2 lines Not to mention, I have yet to

>Not to mention, I have yet to >hear one decent MC come out of Europe (besides Roots Maneuva and Le

Gooster). I think the opposite (from my perspective). Too many US MCs get all caught up in gangsta fronting and lack any true thought. Barely any intelligence since the days of Ice-T (_OG_) and PE (_Nation of Millions_). Today's US MCs haven't said a damn thing besides "40s, gats, and booty!". Bleah. If the MC had a brain it might be worthwhile. (Bitter that X-Ecutioners wasted their fine DJ talents by letting such crap MCs on top. Bleah!) Many UK MCs on the otherhand, have their heads on straight. For instance, there is Blade, Jupiter Jam, Toastie Taylor, Lewis Parker, etc. I will give props to Company Flow, but them chaps talk so fast you can't tell what they're saying anyway. (The "gabber" of the Hip Hop community!) Plus Sensational, but who can make out what that chap is saying either? He puts the word "abstract" into lyrical quality. [Saul Williams seems fairly intelligent too, but I know not from where he hails, so.....). And apologies for my last message getting sent THREE too many times. (Tail between legs) Sorry. --- Peace Hugs and Unity Jason J. Tar W. W. J. D? (What would Jason Do?) http://pilot.msu.edu/user/tarjason ICQ@13792120

On Thu, 17 Sep 1998, Jason J. Tar wrote:

quoted 3 lines WHOA! blixa does hiphop? fucked-up! i am THERE.

> >WHOA! blixa does hiphop? fucked-up! i am THERE. > > His participation is quite small actually.

damn. i'll still buy it, but damn. * #### a disturbance in a system. #### laerm. @voicenet.com ##:# reduced to perfection.

At 11:45 PM 9/17/98 -0400, Jason J. Tar wrote:

quoted 15 lines I think the opposite (from my perspective). Too many US MCs get all caught

>I think the opposite (from my perspective). Too many US MCs get all caught >up in gangsta fronting and lack any true thought. Barely any intelligence >since the days of Ice-T (_OG_) and PE (_Nation of Millions_). Today's US >MCs haven't said a damn thing besides "40s, gats, and booty!". Bleah. If >the MC had a brain it might be worthwhile. (Bitter that X-Ecutioners >wasted their fine DJ talents by letting such crap MCs on top. Bleah!) >Many UK MCs on the otherhand, have their heads on straight. For instance, >there is Blade, Jupiter Jam, Toastie Taylor, Lewis Parker, etc. > >I will give props to Company Flow, but them chaps talk so fast you can't >tell what they're saying anyway. (The "gabber" of the Hip Hop community!) >Plus Sensational, but who can make out what that chap is saying either? He >puts the word "abstract" into lyrical quality. >[Saul Williams seems fairly intelligent too, but I know not from where he >hails, so.....).

No offense, but you obviously haven't explored US hip hop very well, if you think that it's all about '40's, gats and booty'. I think several other American MCs can flow intelligently. Especially pick up Acecyalone's "A Book Of Human Language". Acey definetly knows what he's talking about. For that matter, the whole west coast project blowed/freestyle fellowship/Ocean Floor (AbRude, Mikah 9, etc.) scene is worth checking out. Then i can be hip and name drop rawkus for the east coast tip, but CoFlow (as you already mentioned) often does rock on the intelligent style, I also think Kweli can be quite good when he doens't slip into his 'punchline' mode. Mos Def has the charism and flow, but his content has yet to do anything for me. Also, try and get the Siah and Yeshua DapoED EP on Fondle 'Em, which i think is brilliant. Both Siah and Yeshua also put out solo 12"s but i've yet to give them a listen. BTW, Saul is from NYC, so mark another up for the US. Though i agree that there's some talent over the puddle, too. M

On Fri, 18 Sep 1998, mltsnt wrote:

quoted 8 lines Then i can be hip and name drop rawkus for the east coast tip, but

> Then i can be hip and name drop rawkus for the east coast tip, but > CoFlow (as you already mentioned) often does rock on the intelligent > style, I also think Kweli can be quite good when he doens't slip into > his 'punchline' mode. Mos Def has the charism and flow, but his content > has yet to do anything for me. Also, try and get the Siah and Yeshua > DapoED EP on Fondle 'Em, which i think is brilliant. Both Siah and > Yeshua also put out solo 12"s but i've yet to give them a listen. BTW, > Saul is from NYC, so mark another up for the US.

[time for my .02, i suppose] well, also from the east, there's the entire wordsound gang. the comp, _shake the nations_, WSCD023, is really good, with one track from each one of their releases. not all hiphop, some dub and jungle sneak in, but it's all intertwined. also on wordsound is the last prince paul lp - _...presents psychoanalysis_. a damned fine record, provided you "get the joke". also very good are the last poets. way old skool, and very intelligent. if i remember correctly, their '95 album was incredible. * #### a disturbance in a system. #### laerm. @voicenet.com ##:# reduced to perfection.

At 11:21 PM 9/17/98 -0500, clockwise wrote:

quoted 1 line Everyone on big dada except for roots manuva sucks in my opinion,

>>Everyone on big dada except for roots manuva sucks in my opinion,

WHAT!?!! I hope you mean every *BRIT* on Big Dada! The Ab Rude & Saul Williams 12"s are both fucking sweet! At 03:04 AM 9/18/98 -0400, Arthur B. Purvis wrote:

quoted 5 lines Oh yeah, and how does the Mos Def/Kweli 12" compare to their track on

>Oh yeah, and how does the Mos Def/Kweli 12" compare to their track on >Soundbombing? I think it was Fortified Live (correct me if I'm wrong) - I >thought it was pretty dull, but a good friend who listens to almost >exclusively hiphop thought it was one of the best tracks he's heard in a >long time.

IMHO, the beats on the Mos/Kweli 12" are on a much darker/more 'hardcore' tip than 'fortified live', which lyrically was excellent, but was kinda overly funky/upbeat. I like the blackstar much better, 'definition' is just a sweet track all around excellent. the b-side is a 'twice inna lifetime', which is actually a remix of 'fortified...', minus Mr. Mann and +Jane Doe, Punch & Words (the Jane Doe verse is pretty weak in comparision to the others, and both Punchline and Wordsworth come off strong, as opposed to on Lyricists Lounge, were one of them [punch? i'm not sure who's who] sounded mad wack.). Actually, i also think the Mos & Kweli verses are new also (it basically retians the hook from the original). But at this point, don't get the 12" unless you want the insturmentals, as the LP comes out tuesday and has both tracks. Track listing: Intro / 8th Light / Definition / Redefinition / Children's Story / Brown Skin Lady /B Boys will B Boys / Knowledge Of Self / Hater Players / Yo Yeah / Respiration /Thieves in the Night / Twice Inna Lifetime At 11:05 AM 9/18/98 -0700, wash@sirius.com wrote:

quoted 1 line np: Company Flow - "End to End Burners" single

>np: Company Flow - "End to End Burners" single

uggh.. there's a rumor floating around RMHH that Big Juss left the group.. say it aint so! i guess now it's just El-P and that dj who's name i can never remember... btw, what can anyone tell me about the new(ish) J-Treds (indelible mcs) 12" on fondle 'em? good? later, mlt ml/vn// [o{st}m.rec]

RE: 'Kweli& Mos Def are Blackstar' i said:

quoted 1 line LP comes out tuesday

>LP comes out tuesday

whoops, slight error on my part- the LP actually comes out the FOLLOWING tuesday, the 29th!! ...sorry! m