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1996-09-16 21:42Aaron Michelson (idm) 808 State
1996-12-18 02:31Mark Stevens (idm) 808 State
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1998-08-21 18:29David J. Gebhart (idm) 808 State
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1996-09-16 21:42Aaron MichelsonWhat was the overall response to 808 State's new album, "Don Solaris?" On first listen, I'
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What was the overall response to 808 State's new album, "Don Solaris?" On first listen, I'm intrigued by the constant shifting of song structure, as Graham Massey dabbles in breaks, dub, 4/4, drum'n bass, and nice smooth 1960's cocktail suave. I recall the single being trashed, but I'm interested to know how the general response has been? Wonder what Ken Downey thought of this album? Sounds pretty advert friendly at times if you ask me... Onnow: 808 State "Jerusahat" Lame Thread Prevention in Effect: Aaron Michelson --------------------------------------------------------------------- aw-teck'r (autechre) "Everything you Know is Wrong." For reviews, interviews, art & trash *UPDATED* http://www.io.org/~amichel/ amichel@io.org
1996-12-18 02:31Mark StevensHello. Any other 808 State fans out there? Some comments on each album to get the conversa
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Hello. Any other 808 State fans out there? Some comments on each album to get the conversational balls rolling: [Newbuild] (1988) Very dark acid-house, heavy on the 303 and 808, but the trademark 808 State sound is just about there. Side 1 takes a while to get going, but Side 2 is one blistering track after another. An absolute bastard to find (anyone know how many copies were pressed?), but worth having a listen to. [Quadrastate] (1989) Excellent stuff. One of the freshest, most unique techno albums of 1989, totally blowing everything else out of the water. 808 State weren't afraid to acknowledge their influences -- there's shades of Derrick May, Herbie Hancock and Larry Heard mixed up with Mancunian house. Hard to track down, but a few specialist stores in Manchester may still have a copy or two. One of my favourite 808 State albums. [90] (1989) Essentially an extension of 'Quadrastate', but with a bit more spit and polish. This is the album that got me into techno. Whereas the previous two albums had a range of tracks that covered similar territory, '90' showed just how versatile 808 State could be -- from the wild, crashing noise of 'Donkey Doctor' to the sublime ambience of 'Sunrise'. Quite simply, one of the best techno albums ever made. If you haven't got it, what are you doing on this mailing list? [Utd. State 90] (1990) The American import version of '90', with the addition of a few tracks (mostly Quadrastate remixes). If you can't find the UK version anywhere, then make do with this version. [The North at Its Heights] (1991) Okay, so it's an MC Tunes album, but 808 State did 95% of the production work. I was never really a big fan of MC Tunes himself, but it's 808 State's trickery that makes this work. However, I couldn't help but feel how much better the album would have sounded without the rapping. There's too much beautiful music being drowned out. If rapping isn't for you, don't get this album. But if you're an 808 State fan, then it's worth hearing. [ex:el] (1991) A curious album, which helped catapult 808 State beyond the dance scene and earnt them the respect of 'proper' music critics (it was voted BBC Radio 4's best album of the year, with the only other nominations being classical). 'ex:el' feels a lot more 'grown-up' than '90'. The variety of tracks on offer is very broad -- only 'Cubik' and 'Lambrusco Cowboy' sound similar. Bjork's contributions added a certain touch of class, proving that 808 State had the ability to incorporate a completely independent property into their music and make it work. On the whole, a near faultless album, spoilt only by the fact that the 'Leo Leo' track is the instrumental version and not the excellent vocal version to be found on the 'In Yer Face' single. [Gorgeous] (1993) A huge disappointment. That's not to say the album doesn't have its moments, but on the whole everything sounds too clinical and over-produced. By their own admission, 808 State felt they were trying to please too many people and ended up pleasing hardly any. Die-hard 808 State fans (like myself) were a bit worried, suspecting that the departure of Martin Price (co-founder of the group, along with Graham Massey and the long-since departed Gerald Simpson) might have had something to do with the decline in standards. I suspect most of the blame lies with ZTT Records, who aren't really the sort of label ideally placed to give 808 State the full support they deserve. 808 State have always been trend-setters and if you're stuck with a label that moves at a snail-like pace when it comes to releasing your material, things are bound to go wrong. The fact that 808 State have stuck with ZTT would suggest that the group are now content to develop *musically*, rather than continue to play the fashion game. However, I can't help feel that 808 State would be better off with someone like Warp or, if they want to stick with a major, Island. There are some great tracks on 'Gorgeous' -- particularly 'Europa', 'Nimbus' and 'Southern Cross' -- but on the whole there's too much dithering and a little too much self-conscious hesitation. [State to State] (1995) A limited edition release, only available to member of the State to State club. Not really a 'proper' album, but there's a nice mixture of old and new tracks on offer. There's the original versions of some of the 'Gorgeous' tracks, a couple of live tracks (including the brilliant 'Repa Repo'), a left-over track from 'Quadrastate' plus a couple of brand new tracks -- the most interesting being 'Yakuza'. Well worth trying to find a copy of. [Don Solaris] (1996) And so we arrive at the latest album and possibly 808 State's best. Thankfully, the demons of 'Gorgeous' have been laid to rest and the group return to form in style. 'Don Solaris' combines the best moments of '90' and 'ex:el', giving everything a contemporary spin. It's hard to find fault with any of the tracks, although perhaps 'Balboa' could have been jazzed up a bit. There's something here for everyone -- dark techno, mellow house, drum & bass, breakbeat techno, ambient, even a guitar-led track. One of the best albums of 1996, in any genre. It's such a shame that so many people are going to overlook it, although what with the current success of the Manic Street Preachers, the James Dean Bradfield collaboration, 'Lopez' (due to be released as 808 State's next single), could earn it more exposure. 808 State's next album can't come soon enough, although I suspect we'll be waiting until summer 1998. .+'''+. mark@sonance.demon.co.uk M A R K http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/sonance/ `+.,.+' http://www.sonance.demon.co.uk/
1996-12-18 20:40Microdot in the AquabahnAnyone into the early 808 State records might like to know about Biting Tongues, the reall
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Anyone into the early 808 State records might like to know about Biting Tongues, the really tight & crisp funk group that Graham Massey used to have. They released a few records, most mixable of which I'd say are FAC 134 "Trouble Hand" 12" EP (1987?) - check out 'Panorama' - a tight fast techno beat by drum kit, phased bass guitar and some distant background horns that are used again on some Ex:cel tracks FAC 188 "Compressor" 12" EP (1988?) - b-sides are progressive latin funk, very dark, weird sax - a side 'compressor' is very mixable, dead-tight drums & percussion of latin funk with weird sampled chant I would say that the mixing, compression and general recording quality of these EP's in particular is *better* than the UTD/90 LP I have. These records show that Massey had a musical maturity before 808 State, but was really not able to integrate it masterfully until Ex:cel There is a cool Biting Tongues video collection that came out; the last few tracks/videos are the best, combining the relentless tight funk drums with a lot of rhythmically-timed video loops in a center frame of the screen, behind which other imagery is playing. Pretty hypnotic... The last thing Biting Tongues did was a atmospheric percussion/tape/horns soundtrack called "Feverhouse". It seems like no one else (except A Certain Ratio) were exploring those syncopated rhythms like Biting Tongues; perhaps this was a bit of a dead end... sure glad that Graham got into drum machines at that point. I heard that we went into a studio where a bunch of drum machines that had been left programmed by Adrian Sherwood were lying around and that sort of started his interest....any verifications of this hearsay? solenoid@europa.com <------+
1996-12-18 23:11a lifeform> [Don Solaris] (1996) > > of the best albums of 1996, in any genre. It's such a shame tha
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quoted 4 lines [Don Solaris] (1996)> [Don Solaris] (1996) > > of the best albums of 1996, in any genre. It's such a shame that so > many people are going to overlook it, although what with the current
I'm overlooking it because I have yet to see it in _any_ shops in town, import or domestic. And there's no way I'm buying it on import, when the singles I've gotten (Don Solaris and another one, can't remember title) contain quite a few tracks off of it. -- guyjr@ns.gt.ed.net | I.D.M.- That stage in sleeping when your feet are a.k.a., Guy Elden, Jr. | moving faster than your eyes.
1998-08-21 18:29David J. Gebhartany further newz on that Newbuild reissue? anyone...? anyone...? 'tis a shame someone can'
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any further newz on that Newbuild reissue? anyone...? anyone...? 'tis a shame someone can't find another way to share that ep with everyone (wink-wink nudge-nudge). have a great weakend everyone. and sorry about President Clinton's stupidity. ever get that sick-to-your-stomach feeling when your government acts on your behalf but in opposition to your wishes? DGeb daevid j gebhart np - Son Volt - Drown (live on Austin City Limits) mp3 no depressioners out there check: http://theunderworld.ml.org/mp3/ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com