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◇ merged from 2 subjects: (idm) industrial <---> idm · (idm) m/gz (was) industrial <---> idm
1998-07-08 17:29john r. jacobus (idm) industrial <---> IDM
└─ 1998-07-08 05:55sfwd productions Re: (idm) industrial <---> IDM
1998-07-08 19:03Brad Berger Re: (idm) industrial <---> IDM
1998-07-08 19:04Bordeaux, Ethan RE: (idm) industrial <---> IDM
└─ 1998-07-08 23:31siliconvortex Re: (idm) industrial <---> IDM
1998-07-09 05:16daniel Re: (idm) industrial <---> IDM
1998-07-09 15:20Bordeaux, Ethan RE: (idm) industrial <---> IDM
1998-07-09 16:51Jon Drukman Re: (idm) industrial <---> IDM
└─ 1998-07-10 19:04Irene McC (idm) M/Gz (was) industrial <---> IDM
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1998-07-08 17:29john r. jacobusOn Wed, 8 Jul 1998 10:27:34 -0400, "Bordeaux, Ethan" <Ethan.Bordeaux@analog.com> wrote: >p
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On Wed, 8 Jul 1998 10:27:34 -0400, "Bordeaux, Ethan" <Ethan.Bordeaux@analog.com> wrote:
quoted 5 lines ps - i've noticed a lot of folks that say their appreication of idm>ps - i've noticed a lot of folks that say their appreication of idm >grew >out of industrial music - does anyone feel like the opposite is true >(growing into industrial-oriented music from idm)? if so, what were >your transitional pieces?
Well, I'm in the first group. I went IDM via Download's III and the Latter Haujobb. albums. ::shrugs::
1998-07-08 05:55sfwd productions> >ps - i've noticed a lot of folks that say their appreication of idm > >grew > >out of i
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quoted 8 lines ps - i've noticed a lot of folks that say their appreication of idm> >ps - i've noticed a lot of folks that say their appreication of idm > >grew > >out of industrial music - does anyone feel like the opposite is true > >(growing into industrial-oriented music from idm)? if so, what were > >your transitional pieces? > > Well, I'm in the first group. I went IDM via Download's III and the > Latter Haujobb. albums.
hmmmm.. i checked out aphex twin and autechre on a friends recommendation... been hooked since, but, i've found that its led me *back* to the more 'industrial' 'expiremental' roots i started at,,, recent music i've been into includes david toop, vvm, farmers manual, coil (although coil has been an interest of mine for over 10 ten years... just funny how it all led back there =), shinjuku filth, p. schutze... all of this stemmed off from 'idm' for me, but the music itself, quite often, seems more appropriately dubbed 'industrial' (at least in my perception of the word, which has nothing at all to do with 99% of the bands discussed on r.m.i....) in the end, i prefer to just refer to music by the author... 'autechre are autechre'... 'david toop is david toop'... i find this to be a much more acturate discription of the music, but then does very little for a review, huh? ^brap@sonic.net^ [icq: 12645306] http://www.sonic.net/~brap/ [blackdog][v/vm][jamesbernarddiscography]...etc etc etc sfwd.dyn.ml.org [occasional web.irc.ftp.etc]]] chris g. 1547 boston court #7, santa rosa, ca 95405
1998-07-08 19:03Brad Bergeri've talked to alot of people who have gotten to ambient/idm through industrial...my expos
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i've talked to alot of people who have gotten to ambient/idm through industrial...my exposure to the likes of skinny puppy, download, and wumpscut through my roommate at school definately helped me ease into some of the harsher, more mechanic artists like Ae and Oval...however, it wasn't like i listened mainly to industrial and then came to idm, because i was never a big industrial-head and my tastes have usually been pretty eclectic (however, idm-styled acts have come to dominate my musical tastes, and many of my cds i bought before i was introduced to idm and other forms of electronic music haven't seen seen the laser beam in a long time) -brad ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: (idm) industrial <---> IDM Author: haujohn@juno.com (john r. jacobus) at INTERNET Date: 7/8/98 12:47 PM On Wed, 8 Jul 1998 10:27:34 -0400, "Bordeaux, Ethan" <Ethan.Bordeaux@analog.com> wrote:
quoted 5 lines ps - i've noticed a lot of folks that say their appreication of idm>ps - i've noticed a lot of folks that say their appreication of idm >grew >out of industrial music - does anyone feel like the opposite is true >(growing into industrial-oriented music from idm)? if so, what were >your transitional pieces?
Well, I'm in the first group. I went IDM via Download's III and the Latter Haujobb. albums. ::shrugs::
1998-07-08 19:04Bordeaux, Ethanlike greg, i've bounced back and forth between idm & industrial realms - greg, i thought i
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like greg, i've bounced back and forth between idm & industrial realms - greg, i thought i'd seen your name pop up on r.m.i... i appreciate both aggression (or at least a darkish emotions) and complexity. i ususally o.d. on one and then gravitate towards the other. ya know, listen to reprovisors over and over until i NEED to listen to last rights. however, when i find music that incorporates both aspects, i'm a satisfied customer. ae does this better than anyone i know & that's why they're the poop. rdj pulls it off sometimes, other times he's kinda wanky. 3ef is usually great, farmers manual (and matmos to a lesser extent) are interesting but they don't mean anything & therefore are more of a curiousity. most by the numbers industrial is just silly or iritating. haujobb & download are good middle grounds but there must be more... so, anyone out there got some good suggestions for "intelligent aggressive music"? i know most of the basics but would appreciate any I.A.M. suggestions. either beat oriented or not, vocal or not, it's all good to me. ethan btw, who's this david toop character? i've seen his name but i don't remember ever reading any reviews...
quoted 51 lines ----------> ---------- > From: sfwd productions[SMTP:brap@sonic.net] > Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 1998 1.55 AM > To: idm@hyperreal.org > Cc: haujohn@juno.com > Subject: Re: (idm) industrial <---> IDM > > > >ps - i've noticed a lot of folks that say their appreication of idm > > > >grew > > >out of industrial music - does anyone feel like the opposite is > true > > >(growing into industrial-oriented music from idm)? if so, what > were > > >your transitional pieces? > > > > Well, I'm in the first group. I went IDM via Download's III and > the > > Latter Haujobb. albums. > > hmmmm.. i checked out aphex twin and autechre on a friends > recommendation... been hooked since, but, i've found that its led me > *back* to > the more 'industrial' 'expiremental' roots i started at,,, recent > music i've been > into includes david toop, vvm, farmers manual, coil (although coil has > been an > interest of mine for over 10 ten years... just funny how it all led > back there =), > shinjuku filth, p. schutze... all of this stemmed off from 'idm' for > me, but the > music itself, quite often, seems more appropriately dubbed > 'industrial' (at least > in my perception of the word, which has nothing at all to do with 99% > of the > bands discussed on r.m.i....) > > in the end, i prefer to just refer to music by the author... 'autechre > are > autechre'... 'david toop is david toop'... i find this to be a much > more acturate > discription of the music, but then does very little for a review, huh? > > > > ^brap@sonic.net^ [icq: 12645306] > http://www.sonic.net/~brap/ > [blackdog][v/vm][jamesbernarddiscography]...etc etc etc > sfwd.dyn.ml.org [occasional web.irc.ftp.etc]]] > chris g. 1547 boston court #7, santa rosa, ca 95405 >
1998-07-08 23:31siliconvortexOn Wed, 8 Jul 1998 15:04:53 -0400, you wrote: >so, anyone out there got some good suggesti
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On Wed, 8 Jul 1998 15:04:53 -0400, you wrote:
quoted 4 lines so, anyone out there got some good suggestions for "intelligent>so, anyone out there got some good suggestions for "intelligent >aggressive music"? i know most of the basics but would appreciate any >I.A.M. suggestions. either beat oriented or not, vocal or not, it's all >good to me.
early kinesthesia / cylob...? in particular, church of pain and meltdown man from kinesthesia volume one and two respectively. <waves> np - the sumptuous and crunchy viral rival from gescom. don't buy the new Ae lp, get this...
1998-07-09 05:16danielOn Wed, 8 Jul 1998 15:04:53 -0400, you wrote: >so, anyone out there got some good suggesti
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On Wed, 8 Jul 1998 15:04:53 -0400, you wrote:
quoted 4 lines so, anyone out there got some good suggestions for "intelligent>so, anyone out there got some good suggestions for "intelligent >aggressive music"? i know most of the basics but would appreciate any >I.A.M. suggestions. either beat oriented or not, vocal or not, it's all >good to me.
Here are my suggestions: 1. Professor Richmann <aka shinjuku thief> - succulent blue sway <dorobo> 2. Shinjuku filth <aka shinjuku thief> - raised by wolves <iridium> 3. Soma - stygian vista ep <extreme> 4. Soma - the inner cinema <extreme> 5. cevin key - music for cats 6. Any download release except maybe for eyes of stanley pain. I didn't care for that one but other people do. 7. also some muslimgauze releases fit into this category; however listen before you buy. For darker more agressive ambient check out: 1. Lustmord 2. lull 3. black lung - silent weapons for silent wars <dorobo> 4. Ulf Langheinrich - degrees of amnesia <asphodel> -daniel
1998-07-09 15:20Bordeaux, Ethani bought the scribbler by shinjuku thief on a whim & it wasn't what i was expecting. lots
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i bought the scribbler by shinjuku thief on a whim & it wasn't what i was expecting. lots of piano, pretty simple, underdeveloped and not terribly interesting. how are the other shinjuku albums different from the scribbler... interesting what you said about download's the eyes of stanley pain as it's probably my favorite download release. "glassblower" reminds me of some of the harser aphex material, but even better imho. a lot of interesting songs, and a few duds that stop it from working as an entire album. still quite good... as for muslimgauze, i've considered trying some of his stuff out but have been scared away because i feel like it might be too "worldy" for my tastes. any recommendations? tanks. ethan
quoted 49 lines ----------> ---------- > From: daniel[SMTP:daniel@eliteware.com] > Sent: Thursday, July 09, 1998 1.16 AM > To: idm@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: (idm) industrial <---> IDM > > On Wed, 8 Jul 1998 15:04:53 -0400, you wrote: > > >so, anyone out there got some good suggestions for "intelligent > >aggressive music"? i know most of the basics but would appreciate > any > >I.A.M. suggestions. either beat oriented or not, vocal or not, it's > all > >good to me. > > > Here are my suggestions: > > 1. Professor Richmann <aka shinjuku thief> - succulent blue sway > <dorobo> > > 2. Shinjuku filth <aka shinjuku thief> - raised by wolves <iridium> > > 3. Soma - stygian vista ep <extreme> > > 4. Soma - the inner cinema <extreme> > > 5. cevin key - music for cats > > 6. Any download release except maybe for eyes of stanley pain. I > didn't > care for that one but other people do. > > 7. also some muslimgauze releases fit into this category; however > listen > before you buy. > > > For darker more agressive ambient check out: > > 1. Lustmord > 2. lull > 3. black lung - silent weapons for silent wars <dorobo> > 4. Ulf Langheinrich - degrees of amnesia <asphodel> > > > > -daniel >
1998-07-09 16:51Jon DrukmanBordeaux, Ethan wrote: > > i bought the scribbler by shinjuku thief on a whim & it wasn't
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Bordeaux, Ethan wrote:
quoted 5 lines i bought the scribbler by shinjuku thief on a whim & it wasn't what i> > i bought the scribbler by shinjuku thief on a whim & it wasn't what i > was expecting. lots of piano, pretty simple, underdeveloped and not > terribly interesting. how are the other shinjuku albums different from > the scribbler...
try "bloody tourist" - it is not simple or underdeveloped at all... it is total sensory overload.
quoted 4 lines as for> as for > muslimgauze, i've considered trying some of his stuff out but have been > scared away because i feel like it might be too "worldy" for my tastes. > any recommendations? tanks.
try "veiled sisters" ... two cds of hypnotic loops that play off against each other create intricate polyrhythms. just the vaguest hint of the odd eastern drum or arabic voice. Jon Drukman jsd@gamespot.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Plan: Eat right, exercise regularly, die anyway.
1998-07-10 19:04Irene McCBordeaux, Ethan wrote: <italic><color><param>7F00,0000,7F00</param>> as for muslimgauze, i
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Bordeaux, Ethan wrote: <italic><color><param>7F00,0000,7F00</param>> as for muslimgauze, i've considered trying some of his stuff out
quoted 1 line but have been scared away because i feel like it might be too> but have been scared away because i feel like it might be too
quoted 1 line "worldy" for my tastes. any recommendations? tanks.> "worldy" for my tastes. any recommendations? tanks.
</italic><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param>The Prolific One has churned out so many releases, that it's almost impossible to keep up with him - but a good place to start, and maybe a gentler springboard would be the Staalplaat double CD "Occupied Territories" - Disc 1 being 'occupied beats' and disc 2 'occupied frequencies'. This is not pure Bryn Jones, although there are two of his own mixes as well. Remixers include Drome / Human Beings / O Yuki Conjugate / Zion Train / zoviet*france / Nonplace UF / Panasonic. (+-96?) Wonderful! I * <nofill> ~~ incomplete without surface noise ~~ [Ae]