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Just got State of the Nu-Art 2, on blue planet. Firstly, does anyone know whether this actually just came out, or did it only just make it to Reach'n Records in Sydney? Second question: Disk 2 has 12 tracks in its tracklisting, but the actual CD only has 11 tracks. What's more, the track lengths don't match up - not that they do properly on Endlessnessism either, it's very hard to do that prior to the final CD Mastering - but the mismatch is quite extreme, with Witchman's mix of Jammin' Unit listed as 10:46 and only making it to 6:13. A couple of other tracks seem to be shorter than they're meant to be (not that they sound it!), with the others being all a few seconds longer, except that the Friends, Lovers and Family track (#7) doesn't seem to exist at all (well that's the way *I* interpret it, it may in fact be a different track that was missed...) Does anyone know if this was a pressing mistake for the whole CD or a printing mistake or what? Does anyone else have a copy of the album with the same problem, or indeed *without* the problem? Perturbed, Peter. np: Massive Attack - Mezzanine. I disagree with whoever from before, I think it's a fantastic album but that "Teardrop" is one of the most beautiful things they've ever done. Liz Frazer works her magic as usual. Much recommended! -- Peter Hollo raven@cia.com.au http://www.cia.com.au/raven/ FourPlay - Eclectic Electric String Quartet http://www.cia.com.au/raven/fourplay.html "Of course, dance music can be a music where you lie on your back and your brain cells dance" -Michael Karoli of Can, quoted in Wire mag.

quoted 16 lines From: Peter Hollo <raven@cia.com.au>

> From: Peter Hollo <raven@cia.com.au> > Subject: (idm) State of the Nu-Art 2 > > Second question: Disk 2 has 12 tracks in its tracklisting, but the > actual CD only has 11 tracks. What's more, the track lengths don't match > up - not that they do properly on Endlessnessism either, it's very hard > to do that prior to the final CD Mastering - but the mismatch is quite > extreme, with Witchman's mix of Jammin' Unit listed as 10:46 and only > making it to 6:13. A couple of other tracks seem to be shorter than > they're meant to be (not that they sound it!), with the others being all > a few seconds longer, except that the Friends, Lovers and Family track > (#7) doesn't seem to exist at all (well that's the way *I* interpret it, > it may in fact be a different track that was missed...) > Does anyone know if this was a pressing mistake for the whole CD or a > printing mistake or what? Does anyone else have a copy of the album with > the same problem, or indeed *without* the problem?

The 2CD promo that I have just traded with someone on this list seemed to have all the tracks present (ie. 12 on the 2nd CD) - not entirely sure if the track listing was correct though, but it sounded to be. Cheers, Aca * * Home Page = http://www.personal.leeds.ac.uk/~eclaca *

Peter Hollo wrote:

quoted 3 lines Just got State of the Nu-Art 2, on blue planet. Firstly, does anyone

> Just got State of the Nu-Art 2, on blue planet. Firstly, does anyone > know whether this actually just came out, or did it only just make it to > Reach'n Records in Sydney?

Nah, i've had it for two months or so.

quoted 13 lines Second question: Disk 2 has 12 tracks in its tracklisting, but the

> Second question: Disk 2 has 12 tracks in its tracklisting, but the > actual CD only has 11 tracks. What's more, the track lengths don't match > up - not that they do properly on Endlessnessism either, it's very hard > to do that prior to the final CD Mastering - but the mismatch is quite > extreme, with Witchman's mix of Jammin' Unit listed as 10:46 and only > making it to 6:13. A couple of other tracks seem to be shorter than > they're meant to be (not that they sound it!), with the others being all > a few seconds longer, except that the Friends, Lovers and Family track > (#7) doesn't seem to exist at all (well that's the way *I* interpret it, > it may in fact be a different track that was missed...) > Does anyone know if this was a pressing mistake for the whole CD or a > printing mistake or what? Does anyone else have a copy of the album with > the same problem, or indeed *without* the problem?

Yes, i have the same problem on my CD. Supposedly, the first batch of SOTNAvol2 was all messed up like this, and instead of fixing it, they thought it would be to their economic advantage to sell them anyway. And yes, I'm pretty sure it is the Friends Lovers and Family track that is missing from side two. -mc

Hi, >> From: Peter Hollo <raven@cia.com.au> >> Subject: (idm) State of the Nu-Art 2 >> >> Second question: Disk 2 has 12 tracks in its tracklisting, >> but the actual CD only has 11 tracks. What's more, the >> track lengths don't match up - not that they do properly >> on Endlessnessism either, it's very hard to do that prior >> to the final CD Mastering - but the mismatch is quite >> extreme, with Witchman's mix of Jammin' Unit listed as >> 10:46 and only making it to 6:13. A couple of other tracks >> seem to be shorter than they're meant to be (not that they >> sound it!), with the others being all a few seconds longer, >> except that the Friends, Lovers and Family track (#7) doesn't >> seem to exist at all (well that's the way *I* interpret it, >> it may in fact be a different track that was missed...) >> Does anyone know if this was a pressing mistake for the whole >> CD or a printing mistake or what? Does anyone else have a copy >> of the album with the same problem, or indeed *without* the >> problem? > The 2CD promo that I have just traded with someone on this list > seemed to have all the tracks present (ie. 12 on the 2nd CD) - > not entirely sure if the track listing was correct though, but it > sounded to be. > Cheers, > Aca That person was me! (Thanks Aca). Yes, the promo does have 12 tracks on the second CD. The promo has no artwork or running times so I can't comment on those but I have included the track times as given by my system, so that you can figure out what is missing. I remember that a number of people mentioned this problem at the time of the release and the mastering plant was blamed for the omission, if I remember correctly. CD 2 : 1. air liquide : 7.23 2. jammin unit : 6.14 3. andrew coleman : 7.00 4. mung : 8.03 5. sadie glutz : 6.52 6. gay biker : 6.08 7. friends, lovers & family : 4.18 8. dan gulberry : 5.07 9. freedom of sound : 5.50 10. bedouin ascent : 7.40 11. friend & elton : 9.08 12. spodfellas : 5.41 Bye, Wezz ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

Hi, Peter Hollo <raven@cia.com.au> writes:

quoted 8 lines Thanks for that Wez! The weird thing is, this all corresponds

> Thanks for that Wez! The weird thing is, this all corresponds > closely enough with my CD, and yes definitely the friends, > lovers & family track is missing, but the bedouin ascent track > is not 7:40 as you specify (and which is approximately what is > listed on the CD cover) but in fact 9:50. *Very* weird - > continuity-wise, the 9:50 track on my CD is unbroken, nothing > extra seems to have been added. So how come your mix is > shorter?

I don't know is it the same track? - I haven't seen the official release around lately. The track on the promo is called 'Onyx Electra' and it is as you describe at the start - "quite ambientish, the beats only kick in a little later (maybe a minute or so)". It does start to fade out after 7.25 though, so maybe it has been artificially shortened.

quoted 3 lines Another weird thing: what's the length of that 12-track CD of

> Another weird thing: what's the length of that 12-track CD of > yours? 'Coz it's gotta be about 79:30 by my reckoning, which > is the longest CD I know of!

According to my system, CD1 lasts 78.26 and CD2 lasts 79.26, the first volume also lasts about 79 minutes, so Blue Planet obviously like to give good value for money.

quoted 2 lines So, Wezz: what's the friends, lovers & family track like then?

> So, Wezz: what's the friends, lovers & family track like then? > Worth my searching out a copy of the proper disk?

It's good but probably not worth shelling out for another copy of the disc. It has a hip-hop feel with a prominent bass line, some scratchy sounds and various vocal sounds - some samples and some grunts. It grooves along very nicely and then just abruptly finishes with no warning. You're better off with the extra 2 minutes of Bedouin Ascent, unless you're a big FLF fan. All the best, Wezz ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

Ya know... I was so busy being impressed with the tracks... I've had both discs in my car changer and hadn't even noticed the track list problem... Until now. Blue Planet has a good thing going, but it's a shame they went ahead and put out the goofs (if indeed they knew).

Recently, I was able to give State of the Nu-art 2 cd set a listen/skip through. Not surprisingly, Walker & M.Flux's track was the best of the bunch *by far*, with Bowling Green's track coming in a close second. I'd never heard anything by Bowling Green before. Is this an unusual track for them or is it typical of their output? Do they have any other releases? The majority of the rest of the tracks sounded uninspired & lifeless, yet completely familiar in a generic way. similar to how breakbeats got so boring when no one used anything but that damned Amen break (or whatever), time and again (can you say "Alec Empire"?) Anyone interested in doing a tape trade? (Puckered1, do you have this?) I've got an extensive collection of stuff by Walker and the rest of the Cologne posse to offer (dubbed) in return. - Charles __________________________________________________________ Techno 12"s & CDs for sale: http://members.aol.com/perv303/forsale.html Latest additions: Studio 1 12"s, 1-8 __________________________________________________________