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I was thinking about this $250 lego feet fiasco a bit. Now, we've heard all the reasons why Skam and V/vm etc don't keep stuff in print. But I really don't understand why there is any reason in such extreme cases to do so. Why? two words - venture capital. I mean, I personally would be willing to put up a few hundred dollars for a repress of 100 lego feet records or 100 vvmt01s (or maybe even enough for 500), for the simple reason that I'm almost positive that I could sell at least 50 lego feet 12"s out of my room, with no distribution aside from my own saliva and a bunch of stamps (hey, and if I did it, it would be at domestic prices). I'd make back my money pretty easily, and maybe even make a small profit. So I'm still bewildered as to why they don't do it. Just a thought. --- the humble abbott arthur purvis set his hand hereto

"Arthur B. Purvis" <abpurvis@phoenix.Princeton.EDU> writes:

quoted 1 line I was thinking about this $250 lego feet fiasco a bit. Now, we've

>I was thinking about this $250 lego feet fiasco a bit. Now, we've

heard all the >reasons why Skam and V/vm etc don't keep stuff in print. But I really don't understand >why there is any reason in such extreme cases to do so. Why? two words - venture >capital. in concept, i can see where you're coming from, but you have to think about it from the perspective of the labels. If you're v/vm and you've been doing loads of great tracks, and have 'em lying around on dats in your bedroom.. you've got just about enough dough together to press up another record. WHY would you want to rerelease tracks that are two/three years old when you can put out brand spankin new material?? I mean, look at Skam, they have at least a half dozen releases scheduled (freeform, bola, gescom remixes, pbo, takeshi, while, andre estermann, etc.) and even now it's unlikely that we'll see much of this material for months. Why would they further delay the schedule by investing the time and money it would take to repress lego feet?? AFAIK, Mask 3 has been pressed up for a few months, and it still hasn't seen release (and it doesn't help that skam's been dropped from RTM... err.. now vital) I'm sure that the artists WANT this music to be heard, but they can't possibly afford it. Take, for example, Rephlex, a couple years ago, the Joyrexes and Indicators were only pressed up in limited #s.. Why do you think it took so long? Now that phlex has enough money, they can afford to repress them (well, compile them for cd release...) as for you (or anyone, for that matter) putting up the money for a lego feet/vvm repress... I say GO FOR IT. of course, you'd probably have to contact 'em about it first.. ;-) there's my rant__mlt [np-future primative soundsession vol. 1-cut chemist/shortkut] _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

quoted 11 lines I was thinking about this $250 lego feet fiasco a bit. Now, we've heard

> I was thinking about this $250 lego feet fiasco a bit. Now, we've heard > all the reasons why Skam and V/vm etc don't keep stuff in print. But I > really don't understand why there is any reason in such extreme cases to > do so. Why? two words - venture capital. I mean, I personally would be > willing to put up a few hundred dollars for a repress of 100 lego feet > records or 100 vvmt01s (or maybe even enough for 500), for the simple > reason that I'm almost positive that I could sell at least 50 lego feet > 12"s out of my room, with no distribution aside from my own saliva and a > bunch of stamps (hey, and if I did it, it would be at domestic prices). > I'd make back my money pretty easily, and maybe even make a small profit. > So I'm still bewildered as to why they don't do it.

Heheh. Instead of trying to throw money(monkey) at someone else's label, why not talk to local musicians in your area, listen to their tracks, find some deserving of release and make your OWN label? Be a leader, not a follower. How do you think these labels get started in the first place? If you have the money, do something positive with it - something that is original. These auctions recently have been like watching the lemmings leap. Just because the record is selling for $250 doesn't mean that *GASP* it's actually all that good. Had a listen to your Skampler recently? Why would SKAM want to repress something that isn't maybe all that spectacular to begin with when they could release something new that is 10 times better? Frankly, I'll be grateful when I can get the Skam records that ARE in print (Boc 7 inches anyone?). Heh, ok low blow - i know. The moral of the story is, DO YOUR OWN THING. gnz.

On Sun, 29 Mar 1998, Gonzi Merchan wrote:

quoted 4 lines I was thinking about this $250 lego feet fiasco a bit. Now, we've heard

> > I was thinking about this $250 lego feet fiasco a bit. Now, we've heard > > all the reasons why Skam and V/vm etc don't keep stuff in print. But I > > really don't understand why there is any reason in such extreme cases to > > do so. Why? two words - venture capital. I mean, I personally would be

quoted 7 lines Heheh. Instead of trying to throw money(monkey) at someone else's label,

> Heheh. Instead of trying to throw money(monkey) at someone else's label, > why not talk to local musicians in your area, listen to their tracks, > find some deserving of release and make your OWN label? Be a leader, not > a follower. How do you think these labels get started in the first > place? If you have the money, do something positive with it - something > > The moral of the story is, DO YOUR OWN THING.

I understand your point, but I think you missed mine a bit (albeit just a little bit). The reason I would invest in Lego Feet 12"s would be because I would make money, plain and simple. Ignore for a moment whether it's actually good, whether I actually want to support this music, etc. It just seems to me that if Skam wants to make money (so as to be able to press NEW 12"s) rereleasing something that is in such high demand as the Lego Feet 12" would be a pretty easy way to get a quick few hundred bucks (granted, not much, but every little bit counts). I personally would be much more prone to pressing vvm material than lego feet 12"s, but not as many people would pay for a v/vm 12" as a lego feet 12". --- the humble abbott arthur purvis set his hand hereto

quoted 1 line The moral of the story is, DO YOUR OWN THING.

>The moral of the story is, DO YOUR OWN THING.

instead of doing my own thing, i'd like anybody with $250 to get a DAT of this record, press 50 copies, and sell them for $5 each. eric onnow: water & architecture(sub rosa)

quoted 4 lines The moral of the story is, DO YOUR OWN THING.

> >The moral of the story is, DO YOUR OWN THING. > > instead of doing my own thing, i'd like anybody with $250 to get a DAT of > this record, press 50 copies, and sell them for $5 each.

do you realize how much it costs to master/press 50 copies of a 12?

quoted 3 lines I understand your point, but I think you missed mine a bit (albeit just a

> I understand your point, but I think you missed mine a bit (albeit just a > little bit). The reason I would invest in Lego Feet 12"s would be because > I would make money, plain and simple.

Well, guess there's just no helping some people! gnz.

quoted 1 line do you realize how much it costs to master/press 50 copies of a 12?

>do you realize how much it costs to master/press 50 copies of a 12?

it's already been mastered. eric onnow: si-{cut}.db:behind you(sprawl/suburbs of hell)

At 22:45 29-3-98 -0800, you wrote:

quoted 1 line do you realize how much it costs to master/press 50 copies of a 12?

>>do you realize how much it costs to master/press 50 copies of a 12?

money is not a real argument i press my records at the same plant as skam, mas & mask do, and thus know the prices. Mastering LP (10"/12").... 260 DEM for both 45 rpm and 33 rpm Replication 100 200 300 400 500 1,000 2,000 LP (10"/12") 2.73 2.27 1.86 1.71 1.43 1.32 1.29 100 records would be 533 DM, 500 records would be 975 DM that's 1,105 DM for each next record above 100 (in case of 500). you have to add other costs which also are always there like transport, etc. which make the difference even smaller. _______________________________________________ forcefield | mindless entertainment http://wwwedu.cs.utwente.nl/~wielen/forcefield/

Gonzi Merchan <fresh@home.com> writes:

quoted 5 lines instead of doing my own thing, i'd like anybody with $250 to get a

>> instead of doing my own thing, i'd like anybody with $250 to get a >DAT of >> this record, press 50 copies, and sell them for $5 each. > >do you realize how much it costs to master/press 50 copies of a 12?

well, not so much that you wouldn't make a profit if they were sold direct at..-- HEY!! which side am i defending here??! ;-)

quoted 3 lines do you realize how much it costs to master/press 50 copies of a 12?

>>do you realize how much it costs to master/press 50 copies of a 12? > >it's already been mastered.

um... it would most likely require some RE-mastering, if you were just to take it from the 12".. and don't even try and tell me you'd be able to get a hold of the original DAT (i don't even think andy mad/axe has one... listen to the vinyl hiss on the skampler tracks.. and those WERE remastered.) and of course, everyone is forgetting that it would be downright illegal... btw, slipdisc (maxalert@maxalert@earthlink.net) had the cylob 7"/CD listed in their new releases... [mLt] _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

On 03/30/98 15:47:16 you wrote:

quoted 5 lines um... it would most likely require some RE-mastering, if you were just to

>um... it would most likely require some RE-mastering, if you were just to >take it from the 12".. and don't even try and tell me you'd be able to >get a hold of the original DAT (i don't even think andy mad/axe has >one... listen to the vinyl hiss on the skampler tracks.. and those WERE >remastered.)

prolly tape hiss...sounds like it was mastered off of cassette in the first place. but, yeah, it would have to be remastered off vinyl unless you had the original tape. and i doubt there are even any virgin vinyl copies of it anywhere... "a dream is worth a thousand pictures, the mouths of lampreys a thousand more..."

quoted 1 line i press my records

>i press my records

forcefield records!!?!

quoted 11 lines Mastering

>Mastering >LP (10"/12").... 260 DEM for both 45 rpm and 33 rpm > >Replication 100 200 300 400 500 1,000 2,000 >LP (10"/12") 2.73 2.27 1.86 1.71 1.43 1.32 1.29 > >100 records would be 533 DM, 500 records would be 975 DM >that's 1,105 DM for each next record above 100 (in case of 500). >you have to add other costs which also are always there like >transport, etc. >which make the difference even smaller.

ah... but for most list members to understand this... DM=??USD or UKP... mlt-http://members.xoom.com/multsanta/ _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

mult santa wrote:

quoted 20 lines i press my records

> > >i press my records > > forcefield records!!?! > > >Mastering > >LP (10"/12").... 260 DEM for both 45 rpm and 33 rpm > > > >Replication 100 200 300 400 500 1,000 2,000 > >LP (10"/12") 2.73 2.27 1.86 1.71 1.43 1.32 1.29 > > > >100 records would be 533 DM, 500 records would be 975 DM > >that's 1,105 DM for each next record above 100 (in case of 500). > >you have to add other costs which also are always there like > >transport, etc. > >which make the difference even smaller. > > ah... but for most list members to understand this... > DM=??USD or UKP... >

well there's a nice little web based currency converter http://www.xe.net/currency/ (comes in handy for import prices etc..) that tells me: 1.00 German Marks is equivalent to 0.5415 American Dollars. 1.00 German Marks is equivalent to 0.3226 British Pounds so its about half in USD, third in UKP so its about 270 USD for 100 and almost 500 USD for 500 - almost a buck a throw. so if it was about money (which it isn't is it?) there's some tasty profit out there. i know its not idm, but rarity and cost seem to generate much more discussion than music these days. -martin