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quoted 12 lines I heard somewhere the original but I cannot remember which track

>> I heard somewhere the original but I cannot remember which track >> it is, I think it's from 1986-87 house track. Can anyone help ? >> btw, imo one of the best tracks of the year. I love it, I want the >> original, too > >Oh Robert !!! > >Coming from you this is *rich* - so there's hope for you yet :-) >Aren't you the one renouncing the past and history etc. and saying >that there's too much new music happening at the present and there's >no place in your life for digging through the archives from >yesteryear?

Yes that was me, but people are changing all the time. I'm listening at the moment to some of my fathers records, that I used to listen when I was a child of 3-4 years. My father have a rather big record collection, and I pick up some of Japan, OMD, Human League, Stranglers, Talking Heads, Elvis Costelo, Lene Lovich, Brian Eno, Tangerine Dream, David Sylvian, Devo, Roxy Music, Robert Fripp, David Bowie, and some more albums and singles. I really enjoy listening to this records, but that's probably because of the fact that I love music. But, I cannot understand this stuff the way I'd understood it if I was born 20 years befor than I was. This just isn't my time, my way of thinking, my style, to sum it all, this isn't my music ---> it's my fathers. I addmit that I love and really played a lot some of these records, but I'll say it again that's just my habbit (I hate this word, but I don't know that much English for more suitable word) of listening and loving music. This is what I do best and this played major role in forming my personality and my stands. But at the end I must say that I much much more love techno/ dance music than all this father's records, because I grew up on my CDs and records and that's my time, my era. I tell you something rather interesting. When I listened to Talking Heads album last week, my father entered my room and asked me what am I doing with his record ? I told him : 'Nothing, just listening.' He replyed : 'What's with this music today, if you have to listen my records ?' Of course, he was just jokeing and teasing me. But there is really some truth in this... IMO, IDM also had and still have big influence on me. It's the place that I can find out about recent releases, read some good reviews, get help very fast and really effiecient for some discographies or releases, know and get in touch with nice people, improve my English, trade with people, find about some beautiful record stores, and finnaly to help as much as I can or know with the all the information I can get to all of you IDMers. That last thing is the biggest value of IDM, imho. I wish you all the best in 1998. and sorry for the bendwith (I even don't know how to write this properly, but I think you'll understand it) yours, rob p.s. Try to live few days in Rijeka, Croatia; this is a country where people don't even listen to my fathers records :-) You don't even know how happy you are.....

On 14 Jan 98, robert.merlak@ri.tel.hr wrote:

quoted 3 lines I really enjoy listening to this records, but that's probably

> I really enjoy listening to this records, but that's probably > because of the fact that I love music. But, I cannot understand this > stuff the way I'd understood it if I was born 20 years befor

The point Robert is making is absolutely true. I *was* born 20 years before he was, and I was thus around and know all the records he mentions:

quoted 3 lines Japan, OMD, Human League, Stranglers, Talking Heads, Elvis

> Japan, OMD, Human League, Stranglers, Talking Heads, Elvis > Costelo, Lene Lovich, Brian Eno, Tangerine Dream, David Sylvian, > Devo, Roxy Music, Robert Fripp, David Bowie,

BUT : I missed out on quite a few _big names_ at the time - dunno, they just passed me by, and when somebody tries to foist them upon me now (eg. Television's Marquee Moon) I just don't geddit. It seems out of time and all in a wrong place. I recently lent my prized Wire (Pink Flag / Chairs Missing / 154 / A Bell is a Cup) to a techno DJ friend of mine, saying he MUST hear them, and he gave them back telling me he'd been busy pushing the "skip" button a lot :-) I don't mind and I understand this now ::: IMO if you were there originally and appreciated the stuff when it came out with the Zeitgeist of the time, then it will always hold a special place in your heart. On the other hand, if you come to it later as a newcomer, you may still appreciate its musicality or originality *for its time* but you may never truly live that music or have it engrained into your bloodstream the way you will with music that forms part of your growing and evolving experience. Don't come Bach and Beethoven with me now, y'hear :-) That's a different kettle of pirhanas entirely. Maybe I'm not formulating this very clearly... but I hope I can get across the gist of what I mean. I grew up remembering a million hot sweaty parties dancing to UB40, thus I shall always enjoy "Signing Off". For somebody hearing it for the first time today without that encoded memory, it may mean far far less than it does to me with all the added enhanced layers through time. Blah blah and further blah. Oh, and Robert : it's "bandwidth" - and I'm also sorry about jamming it :-) I * "Incomplete without surface noise" - Autechre

Chris Fahey writes:

quoted 7 lines From: robert.merlak@ri.tel.hr

>> From: robert.merlak@ri.tel.hr >> I'm listening at the moment to some of my fathers records, >> that I used to listen when I was a child of 3-4 years. My father >> have a rather big record collection, and I pick up some of >> Japan, OMD, Human League, Stranglers, Talking Heads, >> Elvis Costelo, Lene Lovich, Brian Eno, Tangerine Dream, >> David Sylvian, Devo, Roxy Music, Robert Fripp, David Bowie,

Quick aside to Robert: This isn't your "Father's music". It's music that was produced when your father was younger. That's all.

quoted 8 lines Your father sounds like one way cool Croatian. And he's double cool

> Your father sounds like one way cool Croatian. And he's double cool > for being a bit worried about his son for listening to what he was > listening to 15-20 years ago. If I had teenage kids and I caught them > listening to some of the shit I'm listening to now I would be a tiny bit > worried. Not too worried, but just a bit. Hopefully, my kids will be into > some supersick ill banana shit and turn me on to it. > > I am kurious: Does your father like your IDM records?

This is an interesting way to put a spin on things: Does the perception change because it's his *father*? I'll be 40 years old in October. I have records in this room by every single artist mentioned by Robert above. I also own records that Robert talks about or asks about. I could easily have a 15 year old kid now. I'd be chuffed if they picked up "Unknown Pleasures" :-) Music. It's not a father/son schism. It's a continuum. - Greg

At 2:32 PM -0800 14.1.98, you wrote:

quoted 4 lines This is an interesting way to put a spin on things:

> >This is an interesting way to put a spin on things: > >Does the perception change because it's his *father*?

quoted 1 line Music. It's not a father/son schism. It's a continuum.

>Music. It's not a father/son schism. It's a continuum.

Oh, no, you've not read Turgenev. Do. It will all make sense then. Or rather, it won't, but it's more realistic that way, isn't it now? Anyway, the incontinental generational divide is a Known Thing. Sad, but true. Like Grace Slick's children's penchant for yuppiedom. The apple doesn't fall too far from the tree. That's why it tries so hard to roll out of Eden. If one's parents drop serious acid, one will end up in psychotherapy or in the priesthood or as a sexually ambiguous monk. Alles klar? Lost my thread, then! 3 on now: Eno / Music for Films