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common knowledge (?), but Plug's Drum and Bass for Papa EP is typically considered the first "drill n' bass" album. As to whether or not the term originated around this time/coincided specifically with this release, or was applied at a later date to that album and subsequent artists, I do not know. "23 laughing foxes serenading lobsters" - cody Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 19:55:28 -0500 Subject: IDM List archives From: anthony.papavassiliou@gmail.com To: idm@hyperreal.org Hello list, I'm trying to access to old IDM List archives on http://web.archive.org/, but only some of the topics will open. Do you know where we can browse the entire archives ? If its not done yet, I really think that having a dump somewhere would be great for science :)As an example, I'm trying to find when the first(s) occurence(s) of drill and drill'n'bass appeared. I can reach a 1997 topic by Styrolene VaT http://web.archive.org/web/20071118222100/http://elists.resynthesize.com/idm/1997/01/442429/ But i can not read most of the post that could contain some uses of the word or expression before or after this date. I also found topics with the names "anti-drills" and "drills", later in 1997, but could not read what is inside :( Also, if you have any other information/source from inside or outside the IDM List about the word "drill" from the drill'n'bass, feel free to message me :) A. Papavassiliou

So I guess that is to say...I know of the when the term was first applied, and to whom...but I don't actually know the answer to your question :| I typically feel it was just someone taking the piss out of genre titles... ...but given that a lot of drill n' bass artists had backgrounds in jungle, and jungle became drum n' bass, I can see these weird techno proto-junglists evolving their own music into it's own drum n' bass derivative, "drill n' bass". I can only neckbeardedly speculate and propose that drills are oft associated not just for their annoying sound, but their propensity and function to "wind up", much in the way intense beat repeating and programming does in drill n' bass. Well, my mind makes that fundamental connection...but would I have called it drill n' bass at the time? Had I been one of the purveyors? I don't think so, so I can't say where the "drill" part really comes from. "23 laughing foxes serenading lobsters" - cody From: coda27@hotmail.com To: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: IDM List archives Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 20:29:46 -0700 common knowledge (?), but Plug's Drum and Bass for Papa EP is typically considered the first "drill n' bass" album. As to whether or not the term originated around this time/coincided specifically with this release, or was applied at a later date to that album and subsequent artists, I do not know. "23 laughing foxes serenading lobsters" - cody Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 19:55:28 -0500 Subject: IDM List archives From: anthony.papavassiliou@gmail.com To: idm@hyperreal.org Hello list, I'm trying to access to old IDM List archives on http://web.archive.org/, but only some of the topics will open. Do you know where we can browse the entire archives ? If its not done yet, I really think that having a dump somewhere would be great for science :)As an example, I'm trying to find when the first(s) occurence(s) of drill and drill'n'bass appeared. I can reach a 1997 topic by Styrolene VaT http://web.archive.org/web/20071118222100/http://elists.resynthesize.com/idm/1997/01/442429/ But i can not read most of the post that could contain some uses of the word or expression before or after this date. I also found topics with the names "anti-drills" and "drills", later in 1997, but could not read what is inside :( Also, if you have any other information/source from inside or outside the IDM List about the word "drill" from the drill'n'bass, feel free to message me :) A. Papavassiliou

I thought the "drill" was added as it kind of describes how people dance to dnb at those tempos. On 2/27/2015 2:44 PM, c j wrote:

quoted 64 lines So I guess that is to say...I know of the when the term was first

> So I guess that is to say...I know of the when the term was first > applied, and to whom...but I don't actually know the answer to your > question :| > > I typically feel it was just someone taking the piss out of genre titles... > > ...but given that a lot of drill n' bass artists had backgrounds in > jungle, and jungle became drum n' bass, I can see these weird techno > proto-junglists evolving their own music into it's own drum n' bass > derivative, "drill n' bass". I can only neckbeardedly speculate and > propose that drills are oft associated not just for their annoying > sound, but their propensity and function to "wind up", much in the way > intense beat repeating and programming does in drill n' bass. Well, my > mind makes that fundamental connection...but would I have called it > drill n' bass at the time? Had I been one of the purveyors? I don't > think so, so I can't say where the "drill" part really comes from. > > "23 laughing foxes serenading lobsters" - cody > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > From: coda27@hotmail.com > To: idm@hyperreal.org > Subject: RE: IDM List archives > Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 20:29:46 -0700 > > common knowledge (?), but Plug's Drum and Bass for Papa EP is typically > considered the first "drill n' bass" album. As to whether or not the > term originated around this time/coincided specifically with this > release, or was applied at a later date to that album and subsequent > artists, I do not know. > > "23 laughing foxes serenading lobsters" - cody > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 19:55:28 -0500 > Subject: IDM List archives > From: anthony.papavassiliou@gmail.com > To: idm@hyperreal.org > > Hello list, > > I'm trying to access to old IDM List archives on > http://web.archive.org/, but only some of the topics will open. > > Do you know where we can browse the entire archives ? If its not done > yet, I really think that having a dump somewhere would be great for > science :) > As an example, I'm trying to find when the first(s) occurence(s) of > drill and drill'n'bass appeared. > > I can reach a 1997 topic by Styrolene VaT > http://web.archive.org/web/20071118222100/http://elists.resynthesize.com/idm/1997/01/442429/ > > But i can not read most of the post that could contain some uses of the > word or expression before or after this date. > > I also found topics with the names "anti-drills" and "drills", later in > 1997, but could not read what is inside :( > > Also, if you have any other information/source from inside or outside > the IDM List about the word "drill" from the drill'n'bass, feel free to > message me :) > > A. Papavassiliou

-- Sham Beam

> I typically feel it was just someone taking the piss out of genre > titles... +1. ..and wasn't it also a slightly derogatory way to describe that music as well? On 2/27/2015 2:44 PM, c j wrote:

quoted 64 lines So I guess that is to say...I know of the when the term was first

> So I guess that is to say...I know of the when the term was first > applied, and to whom...but I don't actually know the answer to your > question :| > > I typically feel it was just someone taking the piss out of genre titles... > > ...but given that a lot of drill n' bass artists had backgrounds in > jungle, and jungle became drum n' bass, I can see these weird techno > proto-junglists evolving their own music into it's own drum n' bass > derivative, "drill n' bass". I can only neckbeardedly speculate and > propose that drills are oft associated not just for their annoying > sound, but their propensity and function to "wind up", much in the way > intense beat repeating and programming does in drill n' bass. Well, my > mind makes that fundamental connection...but would I have called it > drill n' bass at the time? Had I been one of the purveyors? I don't > think so, so I can't say where the "drill" part really comes from. > > "23 laughing foxes serenading lobsters" - cody > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > From: coda27@hotmail.com > To: idm@hyperreal.org > Subject: RE: IDM List archives > Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 20:29:46 -0700 > > common knowledge (?), but Plug's Drum and Bass for Papa EP is typically > considered the first "drill n' bass" album. As to whether or not the > term originated around this time/coincided specifically with this > release, or was applied at a later date to that album and subsequent > artists, I do not know. > > "23 laughing foxes serenading lobsters" - cody > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 19:55:28 -0500 > Subject: IDM List archives > From: anthony.papavassiliou@gmail.com > To: idm@hyperreal.org > > Hello list, > > I'm trying to access to old IDM List archives on > http://web.archive.org/, but only some of the topics will open. > > Do you know where we can browse the entire archives ? If its not done > yet, I really think that having a dump somewhere would be great for > science :) > As an example, I'm trying to find when the first(s) occurence(s) of > drill and drill'n'bass appeared. > > I can reach a 1997 topic by Styrolene VaT > http://web.archive.org/web/20071118222100/http://elists.resynthesize.com/idm/1997/01/442429/ > > But i can not read most of the post that could contain some uses of the > word or expression before or after this date. > > I also found topics with the names "anti-drills" and "drills", later in > 1997, but could not read what is inside :( > > Also, if you have any other information/source from inside or outside > the IDM List about the word "drill" from the drill'n'bass, feel free to > message me :) > > A. Papavassiliou

-- Sham Beam

Thank you so much Brian :) 2015-02-27 0:46 GMT-05:00 Sham Beam <sham.beam@gmail.com>:

quoted 84 lines I typically feel it was just someone taking the piss out of genre

> > I typically feel it was just someone taking the piss out of genre > > titles... > > +1. ..and wasn't it also a slightly derogatory way to describe that music > as well? > > > > On 2/27/2015 2:44 PM, c j wrote: > >> So I guess that is to say...I know of the when the term was first >> applied, and to whom...but I don't actually know the answer to your >> question :| >> >> I typically feel it was just someone taking the piss out of genre >> titles... >> >> ...but given that a lot of drill n' bass artists had backgrounds in >> jungle, and jungle became drum n' bass, I can see these weird techno >> proto-junglists evolving their own music into it's own drum n' bass >> derivative, "drill n' bass". I can only neckbeardedly speculate and >> propose that drills are oft associated not just for their annoying >> sound, but their propensity and function to "wind up", much in the way >> intense beat repeating and programming does in drill n' bass. Well, my >> mind makes that fundamental connection...but would I have called it >> drill n' bass at the time? Had I been one of the purveyors? I don't >> think so, so I can't say where the "drill" part really comes from. >> >> "23 laughing foxes serenading lobsters" - cody >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> From: coda27@hotmail.com >> To: idm@hyperreal.org >> Subject: RE: IDM List archives >> Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 20:29:46 -0700 >> >> common knowledge (?), but Plug's Drum and Bass for Papa EP is typically >> considered the first "drill n' bass" album. As to whether or not the >> term originated around this time/coincided specifically with this >> release, or was applied at a later date to that album and subsequent >> artists, I do not know. >> >> "23 laughing foxes serenading lobsters" - cody >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 19:55:28 -0500 >> Subject: IDM List archives >> From: anthony.papavassiliou@gmail.com >> To: idm@hyperreal.org >> >> Hello list, >> >> I'm trying to access to old IDM List archives on >> http://web.archive.org/, but only some of the topics will open. >> >> Do you know where we can browse the entire archives ? If its not done >> yet, I really think that having a dump somewhere would be great for >> science :) >> As an example, I'm trying to find when the first(s) occurence(s) of >> drill and drill'n'bass appeared. >> >> I can reach a 1997 topic by Styrolene VaT >> http://web.archive.org/web/20071118222100/http://elists. >> resynthesize.com/idm/1997/01/442429/ >> >> But i can not read most of the post that could contain some uses of the >> word or expression before or after this date. >> >> I also found topics with the names "anti-drills" and "drills", later in >> 1997, but could not read what is inside :( >> >> Also, if you have any other information/source from inside or outside >> the IDM List about the word "drill" from the drill'n'bass, feel free to >> message me :) >> >> A. Papavassiliou >> > > > -- > Sham Beam > > >

(Thanks to others too ^^) 2015-02-28 13:47 GMT-05:00 Anthony Papavassiliou < anthony.papavassiliou@gmail.com>:

quoted 89 lines Thank you so much Brian :)

> Thank you so much Brian :) > > 2015-02-27 0:46 GMT-05:00 Sham Beam <sham.beam@gmail.com>: > > > I typically feel it was just someone taking the piss out of genre >> > titles... >> >> +1. ..and wasn't it also a slightly derogatory way to describe that music >> as well? >> >> >> >> On 2/27/2015 2:44 PM, c j wrote: >> >>> So I guess that is to say...I know of the when the term was first >>> applied, and to whom...but I don't actually know the answer to your >>> question :| >>> >>> I typically feel it was just someone taking the piss out of genre >>> titles... >>> >>> ...but given that a lot of drill n' bass artists had backgrounds in >>> jungle, and jungle became drum n' bass, I can see these weird techno >>> proto-junglists evolving their own music into it's own drum n' bass >>> derivative, "drill n' bass". I can only neckbeardedly speculate and >>> propose that drills are oft associated not just for their annoying >>> sound, but their propensity and function to "wind up", much in the way >>> intense beat repeating and programming does in drill n' bass. Well, my >>> mind makes that fundamental connection...but would I have called it >>> drill n' bass at the time? Had I been one of the purveyors? I don't >>> think so, so I can't say where the "drill" part really comes from. >>> >>> "23 laughing foxes serenading lobsters" - cody >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> From: coda27@hotmail.com >>> To: idm@hyperreal.org >>> Subject: RE: IDM List archives >>> Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 20:29:46 -0700 >>> >>> common knowledge (?), but Plug's Drum and Bass for Papa EP is typically >>> considered the first "drill n' bass" album. As to whether or not the >>> term originated around this time/coincided specifically with this >>> release, or was applied at a later date to that album and subsequent >>> artists, I do not know. >>> >>> "23 laughing foxes serenading lobsters" - cody >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 19:55:28 -0500 >>> Subject: IDM List archives >>> From: anthony.papavassiliou@gmail.com >>> To: idm@hyperreal.org >>> >>> Hello list, >>> >>> I'm trying to access to old IDM List archives on >>> http://web.archive.org/, but only some of the topics will open. >>> >>> Do you know where we can browse the entire archives ? If its not done >>> yet, I really think that having a dump somewhere would be great for >>> science :) >>> As an example, I'm trying to find when the first(s) occurence(s) of >>> drill and drill'n'bass appeared. >>> >>> I can reach a 1997 topic by Styrolene VaT >>> http://web.archive.org/web/20071118222100/http://elists. >>> resynthesize.com/idm/1997/01/442429/ >>> >>> But i can not read most of the post that could contain some uses of the >>> word or expression before or after this date. >>> >>> I also found topics with the names "anti-drills" and "drills", later in >>> 1997, but could not read what is inside :( >>> >>> Also, if you have any other information/source from inside or outside >>> the IDM List about the word "drill" from the drill'n'bass, feel free to >>> message me :) >>> >>> A. Papavassiliou >>> >> >> >> -- >> Sham Beam >> >> >> >