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1998-01-03 00:58Pedro F. Cevallos Jr. (idm) today's socialistic ramblings
1998-01-03 01:43Steve /k/./F/ (idm) ~<iDm>~ The 'industry'
1998-01-03 11:46Steve /k/./F/ Re: (idm) ~<iDm>~ The 'industry'
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1998-01-03 00:58Pedro F. Cevallos Jr.On Jan 2 1998, Franz Enmark said: >I just want to stress that it's a big shame that the on
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On Jan 2 1998, Franz Enmark said:
quoted 1 line I just want to stress that it's a big shame that the one with the most>I just want to stress that it's a big shame that the one with the most
money
quoted 1 line always grabs things even in this field. I know that this is how things>always grabs things even in this field. I know that this is how things
work in this
quoted 1 line marketbullshitworld of ours but when the DEMAND is SOO MUCH bigger than>marketbullshitworld of ours but when the DEMAND is SOO MUCH bigger than
the >SUPPLY and something can be done about it, I think it should be done (which was >the original intention with this mail). I know there are a couple of folks from labels on >this list and here is my plea: don't limit editions and REISSUE! Not only that, but people with industry access should do everything in their power to re-release gems. I admire Coldcut for what they're doing -- they continue to push the envelope. I think they have the connections and the power to rerelease Double D and Steinski's classic cuts. There are young people like me who have never been able to own these records and quite frankly music cannot move forward without a strong historical background. Similarly, the "more beats and pieces" custom brakebeat record should be available to the public. There could be another T Power out there waiting to be discovered or a regular Joe Blow who can do things with those samples nobody even dreamed of. Access is key. That's why the "Let us play" CD-ROM is so great. It lets people make their own music with a push start from those who've been doing it.
quoted 1 line Burn CD boots of deleted releases!>Burn CD boots of deleted releases!
As much as I hate to admit it, this is the only solution record companies are driving us to. I think it would be better if the original artists could get their royalty for their work, but if the music is kept hidden in the vaults or in the hands of a small minority, there is no other choice. I think Ubiquity's approach is excellent. Track down the original artists and license their songs from them to put in a comp or re-release. Just a thought... Pedro Cevallos -- "Cause tonight we're getting off like OJ" -- A Tribe Called Quest --
1998-01-03 01:43Steve /k/./F/Re : Repressing of records.... and vastly inflated Auction Prices I know paying that much
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Sat, 03 Jan 1998 01:43:59 +0000
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(idm) ~<iDm>~ The 'industry'
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Re : Repressing of records.... and vastly inflated Auction Prices I know paying that much money for a record is crazy (i myself have sold and bought rarities at inflated auction prices)... but you cant give examples such as warp and ninja tune in defence of repressing records, they have years of success in selling records behind them (i.e. money)... labels such as skam and mask cant usually afford to repress records... i dont think 99% of people on this list realise how little money small labels make (or more often how much they lose).. The main interest for small labels that are pushing the boundaries of music is the continual release of new music, that is their major concern (it should be anyhow...) so represses of older titles often are not possible. Hardy at Spymania couldnt afford to Repress the first squarepusher titles himself... and if warp hadnt bought them up then they wouldnt have seen the light of day again.... this was the first noticable profit spymania had made since they started... and dont go thinking Warp did this purely for the fans! they did it to make money and corner the squarepusher market, im not making an attack on warp in any way with this comment! its just the way it is...... it all comes down to money whether we like it or not. Record sales in the uk are decreasing steadily and have been for a few years now, this isnt noticable to the consumer, but small labels are often doomed b4 they even manage to get their first release out, regardless of quality. Vital Distribution (the major distributor of independant labels in the uk dropped around 30 small labels yesterday! (01/01/98) including Clear Records who most people on this list would describe as 'successful', Vital described this as 'streamlining' (i believe Clear are now signed to 'ideal' distribution ....who are in fact now owned by warp records!....incest). Its distribution problems that have held up the Planet Mu label (which thankfully are sorted! expect new info soon :) And major label bullshit which held back the release of the mealtime compilation by 8 months! I mean virgin really dont give a fuck at all!! they couldnt care less about you or me... and b4 you flame me... the virgin who put out Mealtime as opposed to my ISP are different companies these days... im still with mr Branson :-) Steve /k/./F/ http://freespace.virgin.net/kung.funk/kf.htm
1998-01-03 11:46Steve /k/./F/> > Vital Distribution (the major distributor of independant labels in > > the uk dropped
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Sat, 03 Jan 1998 11:46:14 +0000
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quoted 13 lines Vital Distribution (the major distributor of independant labels in> > Vital Distribution (the major distributor of independant labels in > > the uk dropped around 30 small labels yesterday! (01/01/98) > including > > Clear Records who most people on this list would describe as > > 'successful', Vital described this as 'streamlining' (i believe > Clear > > are now signed to 'ideal' distribution ....who are in fact now owned > > > by warp records!....incest). > > Actually, they've got a new deal with SRD and I've talked to their rep > > and he's really happy about getting them back on track for '98.
Brock just correctly pointed out that clear are now with SRD, (who seem to be snapping up many of the Vital offcasts...)... in fact its very possible that planet mu will be distributed thru SRD.... we'll see. Steve /k/./F/ http://freespace.virgin.net/kung.funk/kf.htm