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does anyone have the tracklistings for the black album as well as sonic weather machine? I think they may share some tracks, and I'm trying to figure out which one to buy. at least I know that both of them have "knifflige fragen" which, in itself is worth the price of a whole cd. thanks. craig egg88@aol.com

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quoted 7 lines How many of you IDMer's out there like Air Liquide? I think they're

>How many of you IDMer's out there like Air Liquide? I think they're >pretty good. They've got a distinct Ney York style I really like. I think >they've been shrugged off a little as being just another cliche techno >goup, but I think there is alot of original ideas they've come up with. >Air Liquide was the first good electronica I'd ever heard. Any opinions >(let's try to move away from the copyright feud) >

Air Liquide is nice. I don't know if they are avant-garde or pioneering, but _Increased Difficulty of Concetration_ and _Red_ are both nice. Very descriptive, eh? Ami "The Bootleg Villian" Mukerjee A. Mukerjee Vassar College "Laws are like cobwebs; where the small flies get caught but the big break ones through." - Unknown

Ami Mukerjee wrote:

quoted 5 lines How many of you IDMer's out there like Air Liquide? I think they're

> > > > > >How many of you IDMer's out there like Air Liquide? I think they're > >pretty good. They've got a distinct Ney York style I really like.

maybe we can chalk up their 'distinct new york style' to the fact that they're from germany, ja? ;) -J

"increased difficulty of concentration" is a classic to me. It represents alot of different aspects of electronic music and has a timelessness about it. I wouldn't call that release cliche techno at all! It's a fantastic album. As for the "red" album, well, I can't say I've gone out of my way to listen to my copy of it too much over the last year and a half since I got it. It's lacking the "fine art" that is present in their better work. I haven't heard too musah else by them, can anyone recommend any of their work that is comparabel to IDoC? B R E N D E N

How many of you IDMer's out there like Air Liquide? I think they're pretty good. They've got a distinct Ney York style I really like. I think they've been shrugged off a little as being just another cliche techno goup, but I think there is alot of original ideas they've come up with. Air Liquide was the first good electronica I'd ever heard. Any opinions (let's try to move away from the copyright feud) -Aaron, Aphextw836@aol.com -http://members.aol.com/midibiost/damaged.htm |- \ |_ _| |_ _|/ _||_ _||- \ |__\/_ \ | \./ |=- |_- \|___| | | |_ / | | || \\ |__\| || |\ |=- -bitstream

Hiya, I'm guessing from all of these postings that people are interested in Air Liquide. I've met the gang once (nice bunch) and know their manager. If anyone would be interested in seeing an interview with them, post a reply here and I'll contact them. It might not happen for a while because I'm already back-logged with work but I can at least get this going at some point. Jason Perfect Sound Forever Warped perspectives on all types of music perfect-sound@furious.com http://www.furious.com/perfect

Aaron A Scott wrote:

quoted 4 lines Well considering all I've heard of thier work, (which I like very

> Well considering all I've heard of thier work, (which I like very > much) are the albums red and black. Both done in New York, so I just > figured they did everything there. But I still think I hear alot of > new york in there, especially in Red.

The New York connection is Kahn, a Turkish born German who've I've heard referred to as 'walker's brother'. He records as Kahn, 4E and others I can't remember right now. Mainly distorted, downtempo stuff. There are a few other members of the 'Air Liquide' posse, including Frank Heiss, J. Burger, Strobocop and more. I've got (I think) just about all the releases this collective group have put out (around 70 records + 20 CD's?) and just about all of it is top notch. If you want to check out some interesting live stuff (on that NY tip!), look for The Liquid Sky Adventure Series. There's a few volumes out and they all feature many combinations of all these people playing live in Cologne. peace out, brock np: New Order - 'brotherhood'

What about Sonic Weather Machine. I thought this was a pleasant release from the Walker/Unit duo. btw, jammin unit's solo comes kinda close to a "new york style," or at least american style at the least. and for some bonus insight, i was driving down the interstate one day, and saw a "rig" (love that word) with the words "Air Liquide" on its side. i thought to myself, heh. (yep, that's the extent of my thought process...) it's all in the format... chrisTiaN -- " In the future people will think it strange that we only ever used the phone to talk to one another. SUPER. Work Together. "

On Sat, 01 Nov 1997 16:43:50 -0800 Brock Suter <brock@alchemyfx.com> writes:

quoted 8 lines The New York connection is Kahn, a Turkish born German who've I've

>The New York connection is Kahn, a Turkish born German who've I've >heard >referred to as 'walker's brother'. He records as Kahn, 4E and others >I >can't remember right now. Mainly distorted, downtempo stuff. > >There are a few other members of the 'Air Liquide' posse, including >Frank Heiss

isn't Frank Heiss from NY, also?

quoted 4 lines I've got (I think) just about all the releases this collective group

>I've got (I think) just about all the releases this collective group >have put out (around 70 records + 20 CD's?) and just about all of it >is >top notch.

ok, anyone got a discography? I know someone must. are there really 90 discs between all of them? all i've got is red and the most recent Frank Heiss disc on Blue Planet. I better get crackin'... ps: speaking of discographies and such, does anyone have the e-mail addy of the guy who runs the amazing discographies site? or, if your reading this, could you contact me? np: motel (karaoke kalk) m u l t s a n t a . | . a t n a s t l u m

In a message dated 11-01-97 8:51:08 PM, you wrote:

quoted 7 lines What about Sonic Weather Machine. I thought this was a pleasant release

>What about Sonic Weather Machine. I thought this was a pleasant release >from the Walker/Unit duo. btw, jammin unit's solo comes kinda close to >a "new york style," or at least american style at the least. and for >some bonus insight, i was driving down the interstate one day, and saw a >"rig" (love that word) with the words "Air Liquide" on its side. i >thought to myself, heh. (yep, that's the extent of my thought >process...) it's all in the format...

like I posted, "red" and "black" CD's from the US have the same tracks as "Sonic Weather Machine" (except SWM has one track NOT on RED or BLACK) np: BIZZ O.D. - Bells & Bones

That may be true, but they work out of New York. and they still have a very distinc New York style, regardless. -Aaron, Aphextw836@aol.com -http://members.aol.com/midibiost/damaged.htm |- \ |_ _| |_ _|/ _||_ _||- \ |__\/_ \ | \./ |=- |_- \|___| | | |_ / | | || \\ |__\| || |\ |=- -bitstream On Sat, 01 Nov 1997 13:18:16 +0000 jeff salamon <kamandi@bga.com> writes:

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>Ami Mukerjee wrote: >> >> > >> >> >How many of you IDMer's out there like Air Liquide? I think they're >> >pretty good. They've got a distinct Ney York style I really like. > >maybe we can chalk up their 'distinct new york style' to the fact that > >they're from germany, ja? ;) > >-J >

On Sun, 2 Nov 1997, Aaron A Scott wrote:

quoted 2 lines That may be true, but they work out of New York.

> That may be true, but they work out of New York. > and they still have a very distinc New York style, regardless.

not true. they work(ed) out of cologne, mostly. some live sessions are from nyc, though (red album, especially), but I don't think that's new york sound - but that's my personal opinion. when I hear "new york sound", I think of house. I'd say they have a distinct cologne sound. cheers, --tom

quoted 21 lines -Aaron, Aphextw836@aol.com

> -Aaron, Aphextw836@aol.com > -http://members.aol.com/midibiost/damaged.htm > |- \ |_ _| |_ _|/ _||_ _||- \ |__\/_ \ | \./ |=- > |_- \|___| | | |_ / | | || \\ |__\| || |\ |=- > -bitstream > > On Sat, 01 Nov 1997 13:18:16 +0000 jeff salamon <kamandi@bga.com> writes: > >Ami Mukerjee wrote: > >> > >> > > >> > >> >How many of you IDMer's out there like Air Liquide? I think they're > >> >pretty good. They've got a distinct Ney York style I really like. > > > >maybe we can chalk up their 'distinct new york style' to the fact that > > > >they're from germany, ja? ;) > > > >-J > > >

Well considering all I've heard of thier work, (which I like very much) are the albums red and black. Both done in New York, so I just figured they did everything there. But I still think I hear alot of new york in there, especially in Red. -Aaron, Aphextw836@aol.com -http://members.aol.com/midibiost/damaged.htm |- \ |_ _| |_ _|/ _||_ _||- \ |__\/_ \ | \./ |=- |_- \|___| | | |_ / | | || \\ |__\| || |\ |=- -bitstream

On Sun, 2 Nov 1997, Aaron A Scott wrote: } Well considering all I've heard of thier work, (which I like very much) } are the albums red and black. Both done in New York, so I just figured } they did everything there. But I still think I hear alot of new york in } there, especially in Red. How is the black album anyway? Comparable to the red? I have the red CD and saw the mailer for the limited edition black CD, but since I picked up the red CD used (late in the game) I figured the black album was no longer available. Is it still available somewhere? E r i c F r a n s ----------------------

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> [mail] franse@engr.arizona.edu > [web] engr.arizona.edu/~franse > [subvox music] www.azstarnet.com/~subvox

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Since I got a few responses and there's a lot of talk about Air Liquide on the list recently, I'd say pursuing an interview with them is something that people'd like to see. We're a little backed up with other material but this will happen- probably early '98. Jason Perfect Sound Forever Warped perspectives on all types of music perfect-sound@furious.com http://www.furious.com/perfect

Aaron S Michelson <asm2+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

quoted 2 lines Jammin' Unit recently released an excellent solo album on

>Jammin' Unit recently released an excellent solo album on >Instinct Electronica called "Deaf Dub and Blind." It's worth hunting that

one down too. IE licensed it from Blue Planet. Still, a worthwhile release to investigate. Lot's of dubby sounds, and fans of Orb's "Tower Of Dub" will find appealing. I highly recommend Air Liquide's "Homicidal Diary" EP (EMI Electrola Gmbh). Other than the annoying "Are you part of the process....absolutely" sample in version 1.3, this is one of the top E.P.'s of the year. Paul Rafanello intone@warwick.net Orange County, New York MiniDisc trader

I got Black by ordering it straight from smile through a mail order form that came with Red. I'd say black is about halve as good as Red but that's just my opinion. It's much more dark and ambient than Red is. (guess that's why it's called black) Even though it's still not as good as red, it's still worth buying I think. If you want, I can send you an mpeg3 of one of the tracks to give you a sample. -Aaron, Aphextw836@aol.com -http://members.aol.com/midibiost/damaged.htm |- \ |_ _| |_ _|/ _||_ _||- \ |__\/_ \ | \./ |=- |_- \|___| | | |_ / | | || \\ |__\| || |\ |=- -bitstream On Sun, 2 Nov 1997 14:09:27 -0700 (MST) Eric Frans <franse@engr.arizona.edu> writes:

quoted 25 lines On Sun, 2 Nov 1997, Aaron A Scott wrote:

>On Sun, 2 Nov 1997, Aaron A Scott wrote: >} Well considering all I've heard of thier work, (which I like very >much) >} are the albums red and black. Both done in New York, so I just >figured >} they did everything there. But I still think I hear alot of new york >in >} there, especially in Red. > > How is the black album anyway? Comparable to the red? I have >the >red CD and saw the mailer for the limited edition black CD, but since >I >picked up the red CD used (late in the game) I figured the black album >was >no longer available. Is it still available somewhere? > >E r i c F r a n s ---------------------- >> [mail] franse@engr.arizona.edu >> [web] engr.arizona.edu/~franse >> [subvox music] www.azstarnet.com/~subvox >------------------------------------------ >on: Coldcut - Let Us Play > >

Question : I bought "Red" and "Abuse your Illusions" as soon as I saw both of them, but "Black" has evaded my grasp thus far as has the "Live in New York" cd. I think I have most of both of them on the two which I have...what, if anything, am I missing from them? jeff -- dancing/about/architecture "...with wandering steps and slow..." ICQ 904008

quoted 14 lines Question : I bought "Red" and "Abuse your Illusions" as soon as I saw

> >Question : I bought "Red" and "Abuse your Illusions" as soon as I saw > > >both of them, but "Black" has evaded my grasp thus far as has the > "Live > >in New York" cd. I think I have most of both of them on the two which > I > >have...what, if anything, am I missing from them? > > > > jeff > > > >-- > >dancing/about/architecture "...with wandering steps and slow..." ICQ > > >904008

Erm...I must not have made myself clear. What I'm asking is this : Given that I have "Red" and "Abuse Your Illusions", am I missing anything by not having "Black" or "Live in N.Y."? The reason that I ask is that I notice live tracks on both of the two I have and suspect that "Abuse..." has some or all of "Black" on it because it has a lot of "Red" and some of "Increased Difficulty..." (which I also have). Also, what can I expect form "Blue", should I find it? Anybody? jeff -- dancing/about/architecture "...with wandering steps and slow..." ICQ 904008

I know this isn't a new release, per se, but what does everyone/anyone think about the new Air Liquide full length? And here I thought both Drexciya and AL were finished, and they return. It's a good year. Matt --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org