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OK let's see if I can start anymore flames. I personally don't think that musicians should really make money off of music. I haven't made more than a few measely bucks off of it, and that's great. I make tracks because I love doing it, and it makes me feel good to have people write me and say "I like your stuff." That's my entire motivation, it makes me feel good. That's why most music is shit these days (on the radio I mean) because people aren't doing it for the music, they're doing it for the money. I could go on and on bitching about corporate radio for hours but that would bore everyone to death so I won't. Anyway (back on topic) Napster is awesome. I only had access to the (crappy) APX albums Richard James and Come To Daddy before Napster, AFX is a big influence on the music that I make! I had never heard AE whatsoever before Napster either. I'm sure that sucks for AFX's and AEs wallets, but hey - they make enough money with music that they don't have to work. What have they got to complain about? (Flame me! I know it's coming!). Making music requires a lot of dedication, skill, etc, but I would hardly call it working. If the entire music industry closed down over the whole MP3 debate and music became something that everyone did for gratification rather than money, I honestly think that music as a whole would be much higher quality, because only music lovers would be left to make music, rather than corporate whores. (Before the flames start, no I didn't just call AFX and AE whores, but face it - How many great musicians are never heard because they can't get signed? How may shit musicians are out there that are making millions? I rest my case). ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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quoted 5 lines OK let's see if I can start anymore flames. I personally don't think that

>OK let's see if I can start anymore flames. I personally don't think that >musicians should really make money off of music. I haven't made more than a >few measely bucks off of it, and that's great. I make tracks because I love >doing it, and it makes me feel good to have people write me and say "I like >your stuff." That's my entire motivation, it makes me feel good.

All very well, until you have to make a mortgage repayment or repair the car... !

quoted 6 lines Anyway (back on topic) Napster is awesome. I only had

>Anyway (back on topic) Napster is awesome. I only had >access to the (crappy) APX albums Richard James and Come To Daddy before >Napster, AFX is a big influence on the music that I make! I had never heard >AE whatsoever before Napster either. I'm sure that sucks for AFX's and AEs >wallets, but hey - they make enough money with music that they don't have to >work.

Errr... is this not because people have bought their records in the past?.. it we all started just downloading their stuff off the net then they would soon be out of a job as their record labels disappeared... And as for not hearing any Autechre before installing Napster is this just not laziness on your part? I mean Ae and Aphex are not the hardest of cds to come by, (I mean you could buy the last Aphex album in my local Texaco garage!)... and there are realaudio snippets of their work on the warp site... I could go on, but I don't think its worth it... -- dan@madvision.co.uk www.madvision.co.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 3 lines OK let's see if I can start anymore flames. I personally don't think that

>OK let's see if I can start anymore flames. I personally don't think that >musicians should really make money off of music. I haven't made more than a >few measely bucks off of it, and that's great.

You are an idiot. How dare you compare yourself to musicians I pay money to hear! ernie Ernesto Ikerd, (817) 763-4795 Company Graphics, Dept 17, MZ-4202 Lockheed Martin Aeronautics Company Fort Worth, Texas --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 2 lines I personally don't think that

> I personally don't think that > musicians should really make money off of music.

You've either: a) never worked a day in your life and live off of some kinda trust fund. or b) resigned yourself to working forever in a job you hate. or c) you've not yet reached your 16th birthday. Either way you're an a-hole if you think that artists shouldn't be allowed to earn a living like everyone else. - Cf --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On Tue, 7 Mar 2000, Chris Fahey wrote:

quoted 6 lines I personally don't think that

> > I personally don't think that > > musicians should really make money off of music. > You've either: > a) never worked a day in your life and live off of some kinda trust fund. > b) resigned yourself to working forever in a job you hate. > c) you've not yet reached your 16th birthday.

Well, I'm kind of inclined to agree with this idea, though possibly for different reasons. Whether it is a conscious decision or not, as soon as you beging to depend on something for a living, your integrity becomes compromised. I used to love programming, and I did it for a hobby, but now that I do it for a living there is no love involved at all- I could just as well be doing an accounting job, really. This is sort of the same thing with music- as soon as I start getting paid for music, I notice that I'm a little more wary of doing anything "crazy," even though this is a subconscious thing. As soon as I catch myself thinking like this, I slap myself silly and get twice as crazy as I had originally planned, but I'm not so sure that most people would do this. It is really a gradual process for most bands, but people, in general, compromise their artistic integrity in order to get paid. -- :: atomly :: atomly@atomly.com | atomly@atdot.org | atomly@cyrus.net http://www.atomly.com | http://www.mp3.com/atomly [CELL|(888)522.3830] | [CELL|(701)729.1631] | [HOME|(651)748.8676] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Thank you! That was exactly what I was trying to say! BTW I'm 25 and have 3 jobs. Thanks for asking so nicely.

quoted 30 lines Well, I'm kind of inclined to agree with this idea, though possibly for

>Well, I'm kind of inclined to agree with this idea, though possibly for >different reasons. Whether it is a conscious decision or not, as soon as >you beging to depend on something for a living, your integrity becomes >compromised. I used to love programming, and I did it for a hobby, but >now that I do it for a living there is no love involved at all- I could >just as well be doing an accounting job, really. > >This is sort of the same thing with music- as soon as I start getting paid >for music, I notice that I'm a little more wary of doing anything "crazy," >even though this is a subconscious thing. As soon as I catch myself >thinking like this, I slap myself silly and get twice as crazy as I had >originally planned, but I'm not so sure that most people would do this. > >It is really a gradual process for most bands, but people, in general, >compromise their artistic integrity in order to get paid. > >-- >:: atomly :: > >atomly@atomly.com | atomly@atdot.org | atomly@cyrus.net >http://www.atomly.com | http://www.mp3.com/atomly >[CELL|(888)522.3830] | [CELL|(701)729.1631] | [HOME|(651)748.8676] > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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if people dont pay for the records of these bands that are signed to record labels, the record labels assume that they are selling shit and drop them friend. Rishi Saez wrote:

quoted 14 lines How dare I?!? The only difference is that they have a record deal and

> How dare I?!? The only difference is that they have a record deal and > I > don't. > > >You are an idiot. How dare you compare yourself to musicians I pay > >money to hear! > >ernie > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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