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1997-09-27 07:06Warren Lapham (idm) b. gudmundsdottir
└─ 1997-09-28 17:04Tim Fothergill Re: (idm) Authorship
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1997-09-27 07:06Warren LaphamAh yes, the wonderfully circular legitimacy debate rears its head yet again. I have the ne
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(idm) b. gudmundsdottir
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Ah yes, the wonderfully circular legitimacy debate rears its head yet again. I have the new Bjoerk CD. I don't really like it. And nothing really grabs me as an obvious single. (and for those who have yet to hear it: there sure are a lot of strings on that there record. why no uproar about the arrangers/conductors not getting enough credit, huh?) But gosh, even though it's late, I just had to give everyone some more gristle to chew on: Which is "braver:" putting out an album that sounds like a sequel to your most commercially successful album to date, or going somewhere that is in commercially uncharted waters? If collaborating with other people (and crediting them!) is undeniably naughty, where should we draw the line? Last time I checked (for example), Autechre is not an individual. So? Well, if we're going to be picky, we should disallow all psuedonyms and group/collaboration names. What the hell does a group name mean? People come and go. (And why does Mike Paradinas do all the work for this Jake Slazenger fella, anyway? JAKE SLAZENGER IS A THIEF. Who cares if Paradinas is paid or not?) Does Miles Davis not deserve his name on all of those records because he didn't actually play every fucking note on 'em? Bandleader schmandleader, I say. Noone deserves credit for concepts or getting people to work well together. And since when did all of us independent-minded "intelligent" folk (whoops, sorry, for a minute I forgot that it's the MUSIC that's "intelligent," not the people who listen to it) give a shit about to whom credit is given in the mass media? Yeah, so someone in a review gives more credit to the woman (nice misogynistic sub-thread, BTW) whose face is on the cover of the album is due...so? The people whom the music strikes will open the book and get the correct info. Playing information police is futile. (If someone empties a feather pillow, would you try to find every single feather and stuff it back the pillowcase?) As for Bjoerk "hiring talent" and legitimacy...doesn't that imply that the people she's hiring are whoring themselves to commercialism? How can someone ride the legitimacy coattails of someone who's only in it for the money? Don't think that you can character assasinate that "bitch" without affecting the people near her.... Think: Brian Eno has produced an improbable number of successful acts. He has also produced a decent number of conceptually brilliant albums that were also popular. He rarely receives more credit than "produced by." (How many casual listeners care what that means?) Where's the protest here? (Why no mention of this during the great U2 _Pop_ debate six months ago?) Do you think Brian Eno perceives this relative anonymity as a slight? I don't. Surely the intellectual approach to making popmusic must satisfy some of the faceless wizards behind the curtain...why would Eno continue to do it? Could the thoughts of Mark Bell et. al be similar? (I sure so love second-guessing people's motives thought the music they make, don't you?) Sorry this is so long. I didn't have time to make it short. -w. ps For more fun and enjoyment,try finding the unemoticoned sarcasm! -- Warren Lapham (ceremony-owner@monkey.org) laps@monkey.org (laps@umich.edu) http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ (laps@m-net.arbornet.org)
1997-09-28 17:04Tim FothergillFair bit deleted. > Think: Brian Eno has produced an improbable number of successful acts.
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Fair bit deleted.
quoted 7 lines Think: Brian Eno has produced an improbable number of successful acts.> Think: Brian Eno has produced an improbable number of successful acts. > He has also produced a decent number of conceptually brilliant albums that > were also popular. He rarely receives more credit than "produced by." > (How many casual listeners care what that means?) Where's the protest > here? (Why no mention of this during the great U2 _Pop_ debate six months > ago?) Do you think Brian Eno perceives this relative anonymity as a > slight? I don't.
Just thought I'd point out here that Brian Eno has also put out a number of albums, under his own name, on which he doesn't play anything but has planned things (composer). Things like Discreet Music (recent acquisition), Neroli and Thursday Afternoon (getting into ambient territory here) are very good examples of him having very little involvement in the performance, that or it being unimportant. Does it matter what the extent of his involvement was? Seems to me that there shouldn't be a problem as long as everyone is credited with what they did. Just my two pesos.
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Tim Those who set out to serve both God and Mammon soon find there is no God