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1997-08-29 19:39(idm) cichlisuite
1997-09-05 19:44matt (idm) cichlisuite
1997-09-14 04:31(idm) Cichlisuite
├─ 1997-09-14 08:16Che Re: (idm) Cichlisuite
└─ 1997-09-14 20:38Ben Coffer Re: (idm) Cichlisuite
├─ 1997-09-14 15:33(idm) Re: Cichlisuite speed
└─ 1997-09-15 08:45Pete Ashdown Re: (idm) Cichlisuite
1997-09-14 21:43Edward A Nilges Re: (idm) Cichlisuite
1997-09-14 21:51Alexander Reynolds (idm) cichlisuite
1997-09-15 03:18GD (idm) Cichlisuite
1997-09-15 20:52grouch Re: (idm) Cichlisuite
1998-01-20 19:07Jon Logan (idm) cichlisuite
1998-01-20 19:45Doug Lampson Re: (idm) cichlisuite
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1997-08-29 19:39brachielles@juno.comafter the reports from other listmembers, my hopes weren't running very high for this one.
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after the reports from other listmembers, my hopes weren't running very high for this one. contrary to popular belief however, this is one serious piece of Ae workmanship. I don't really see where the "Chiastic Slide" comparisons come in, because this ep is actually quite different than anything that CS has to offer. The beats are generally faster, the sounds more synth-ish, and the style much less noisy than CS. another amazing Ae outing. Also today I picked up the merzbow tribute/remix album "scumtron". Anyone else heard this one? The Ae remix is great (as always), the panasonic remix is a definite standout track for Vanio & crew, and the rest is good quality structured noise. Another winner in my book. yum. np: Ae of course. _________________________________________________ Brian Rachielles- UC Santa Barbara (.b) Production Director KCSB fm 91.9 1997-98 Audio Program thurs 2-4am ambient-idm-noise web- http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Club/4980
1997-09-05 19:44matti've got an extra 30 minutes between class and work, so allow me to review the new cd i go
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i've got an extra 30 minutes between class and work, so allow me to review the new cd i got in the mail today. i'll go song by song, as i listen... cichlisuite mechanically reclaimed by autechre wap96cd -------------------------------------------------------- yeesland -------- finally, breakbeats at 160 bpm that don't remind me of the multitudes of mindless (or even mediocre) drumnbass coming out nowadays. the colorful, pulsing synth tones that dominate the background of this track could not be sweeter. pencha ------ it almost sounds like booth/brown came up with a nice random- note patch and then started programming some mad intricate rhythms around it. this track, like the first one, reminds me of the rhythm programming in hangable auto bulb. always sticking to an extremely electronic trip-hop baseline, this track rules. characi ------- my first thoughts are of track 3 on lunatic harness. this track has that same perfect balance of melody and anti-rhythmic weirdness. except, as it progresses, the rhythms become gradually easier to follow. at the 4:00 mark, i'm bobbing my head. god i wish i could make music this good. krib ---- it starts off with some highly treated synth noodling. after a few seconds of building tension, a slow electronic break hits (i wish my headphones had subs). unfortunately, i can't say anything else about this track because it's so good it defies description. tilapia ------- the weakest track on the ep, this is still a solid autechre jam. clocking in around 145-150 bpm, it reminds me a bit of one of the keynell remixes from the warp 12". i'm sure i failed to do this release justice, but i wanted to make sure everybody ordered it without further hesitation. i just pray that the new hab is as good (i must wait till after work!) matt np: back to 'krib'
1997-09-14 04:31ReZOn8oR@aol.comOk, so I'm perpetually behind everyone else on the list in picking these things up, but I'
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Ok, so I'm perpetually behind everyone else on the list in picking these things up, but I'll be damned if Cichlisuite isn't some of the best work I've heard from Ae since Amber or maybe even Incunabula. I heard some of you mention that it sounded like generic, formulaic Ae, but I can't really see it. Yes, there ARE some formulaic elements, but the whole effort sounds tuneful, and fresh. Maybe I'll change my mind after more listens, but I really like this thing.... As always, feel free to flame me for my opinion =) --Matt
1997-09-14 08:16CheOn Sun, 14 Sep 1997 ReZOn8oR@aol.com wrote: > Ok, so I'm perpetually behind everyone else
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On Sun, 14 Sep 1997 ReZOn8oR@aol.com wrote:
quoted 8 lines Ok, so I'm perpetually behind everyone else on the list in picking these> Ok, so I'm perpetually behind everyone else on the list in picking these > things up, but I'll be damned if Cichlisuite isn't some of the best work I've > heard from Ae since > Amber or maybe even Incunabula. I heard some of you mention that it sounded > like generic, formulaic Ae, but I can't really see it. Yes, there ARE some > formulaic elements, but the whole effort sounds tuneful, and fresh. Maybe > I'll change my mind after more listens, but I really like this thing.... As > always, feel free to flame me for my opinion =)
I've got to agree with ReZOn8oR. SicklySweet (clever name, huh?) is one Autechre's best. It's simultaneously accessible and envelope-pushing (their releases since Incunabula have been increasingly inacessible). Full review when I've better digested it. My dillemma is this: I've been holding out on Envane, Chiastic Slide, & Cichlisuite in hopes of a 2xCD release on WaxTrax similar to Tri Repetae. Any word of this happening? If it doesn't happen, I figure Ae stuff will still be available from Warp. It's excrutiating, but at least I've got my roommate hooked on Ae now, so I can borrow/tape his CDs til I can buy my own. :) It also frees up some $ to track down remixes & Gescom stuff... Che
1997-09-14 20:38Ben CofferIn message <970914003136_1396845529@emout10.mail.aol.com>, ReZOn8oR@aol.com writes >Ok, so
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In message <970914003136_1396845529@emout10.mail.aol.com>, ReZOn8oR@aol.com writes
quoted 4 lines Ok, so I'm perpetually behind everyone else on the list in picking these>Ok, so I'm perpetually behind everyone else on the list in picking these >things up, but I'll be damned if Cichlisuite isn't some of the best work I've >heard from Ae since >Amber or maybe even Incunabula. I heard some of you mention that it sounded
Yes, but what darn speed do you play it at? I get infuriated when artists don't put the rpm on...it puts me off playing the thing. -- Ben Coffer Hybrid Productions http://www.hybridgame.demon.co.uk/
1997-09-14 15:33sanvara@gte.net>Yes, but what darn speed do you play it at? I get infuriated when >artists don't put the
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>Yes, but what darn speed do you play it at? I get infuriated when
quoted 1 line artists don't put the rpm on...it puts me off playing the thing.>artists don't put the rpm on...it puts me off playing the thing.
Hmm. The speed unlabeled records should play at always seems fairly obvious to me. Maybe I'm weird. I know others have complained about this but for some reason I've never had a problem with this. It sometimes takes me 3-4 times of going back and forth between 33 and 45 rpm though. Of course maybe I've been wrong and the speed I like the best is the wrong speed. Heh. Tony
1997-09-15 08:45Pete AshdownBen Coffer said once upon a time: >Yes, but what darn speed do you play it at? I get infur
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Ben Coffer said once upon a time:
quoted 2 lines Yes, but what darn speed do you play it at? I get infuriated when>Yes, but what darn speed do you play it at? I get infuriated when >artists don't put the rpm on...it puts me off playing the thing.
300 rpm.
1997-09-14 21:43Edward A Nilges45 rpm seems to agree with the Warp-net samples. Yes it annoys me too, but you have to wei
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45 rpm seems to agree with the Warp-net samples. Yes it annoys me too, but you have to weigh the importance of correct playing speed against Autechre's inherent inherent innnnnnnherent INDEPENDENCE OF TIME. Sounds good at any speed, my man. Ed np:Polynomial-C At 09:38 PM 9/14/97 +0100, you wrote:
quoted 16 lines In message <970914003136_1396845529@emout10.mail.aol.com>,>In message <970914003136_1396845529@emout10.mail.aol.com>, >ReZOn8oR@aol.com writes >>Ok, so I'm perpetually behind everyone else on the list in picking these >>things up, but I'll be damned if Cichlisuite isn't some of the best work I've >>heard from Ae since >>Amber or maybe even Incunabula. I heard some of you mention that it sounded > >Yes, but what darn speed do you play it at? I get infuriated when >artists don't put the rpm on...it puts me off playing the thing. > >-- >Ben Coffer >Hybrid Productions >http://www.hybridgame.demon.co.uk/ > >
1997-09-14 21:51Alexander Reynoldsafter an order with warpmart, this morsel arrived. while the keynell remix was a disappoin
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after an order with warpmart, this morsel arrived. while the keynell remix was a disappointment (certainly not ae's best work), after hearing the real audio clips i was eager to get my hands on cichlisuite the mechanical recovery of cichli from the public to whom it was released is a success: i could use excessive compliments to describe this release, another ae masterpiece, but what is coming across with each new record, with each new track, is the repeated desire to visualize an image or concept with a particular sonic device or combination of devices. in tilapia, for instance, a single sample of a beat is repeated at such a speed that it becomes part of the melody, certainly not its original intention -- much as a twenty-four frames of film provides one second of kinetic illusion. i keep hearing criticism of autechre for being formulaic; if making a track meaningful (read, packed with information) is a formula, then booth and brown are guilty of self-plagiarism -- and should be encouraged to cheat for as long as possible. i give this release 10 out of 10. ae.cichlisuite.wap96cd yeesland 6.23 pencha 6.14 characi 7.23 krib 3.11 tilapia 6.15 29.26 yeesland :: an exciting, moving track with the usual conflict of flanged, varied-speed beats and wistful, distanced melody. one can almost see the architecture of a building coming to shape with each beat -- as ties, rivets and beams intersect and rise to tell a story pencha :: noisebeats fighting with melody, melody fighting back -- imagine a soundtrack to a digital burglary, with vague authorities closing in quickly, melody building in tension, only to find the thief disappear in a flash when the access noise drops out -- the melody remains to look around, disappointed characi :: the pattern of the song takes a minute to establish itself as the patter or backdrop to a flashbulb and telephone symphony. listen to capacitors charge up in varying speeds and "places" while dialing a phone number to a busy connection -- most similar to the original cichli, with filtered chords chiming at the end krib :: i laughed at the fauxsynthpop beginning at first, but there is nothing joyful about this piece, both sad and mercilessly short -- perhaps ae's shortest and most intense bit. picture a glass marble being tossed into a cup; by who, you ask? a depressed, alienated child with nothing else to do and no one else to play with, creating a detailed, melancholy world out of a simple toy tilapia :: this is a grating piece at first, with chords that sound amateurish and out-of-place, but these same chords are replaced with a different sample, reshaping the beat pattern. except for the underlying strings, i think that every sample here consists of beats, with sounds longer than, say, an eighth of a second, simply percussion sped up to the point that it is indistinguishable from other non-beat samples! this is the illusion of film applied to sound -- good stuff. don't miss this record alex
1997-09-15 03:18GDI'd like to add a few brief thoughts about the recent Autechre EP. I think it's quite good
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I'd like to add a few brief thoughts about the recent Autechre EP. I think it's quite good, and am surprised at the some of the 'ho-hum, another typical Ae release' opinions that a few on the list seem to share. While the EP shares in part the general timbral quality of 'Envane' and 'Chiastic Slide', the programming is getting more and more complex, less repetitive. Not all artists need to make major stylistic shifts between releases (e.g. Speedy J, RDJ) to have something worthwhile. What I like in particular about some of the tracks on this EP is that the rhythms seem to be able to straddle both slow and fast breakbeat sensibilities - some drum n bass releases switch off and on between slow breaks and fast ones but Autechre seems to be able to blend the two seamlessly. Nice to hear the hip-hop influences come through like they did on 'Envane' and 'Chiastic'. Also a fair amount of the programming is fairly musical, even melodic - although some of it comes close to the general style of 'RDJ album', the patterns aren't quite as random and unstructured. And the surging synth patterns played by drum loops on "Pencha" really do it for me. So in the end if it's evolutionary rather than revolutionary that's fine with me - Brown and Booth just keep pushing grooves in new directions. GD
1997-09-15 20:52grouchAt 21:38 14/09/97 +0100, you wrote: >Yes, but what darn speed do you play it at? I get inf
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At 21:38 14/09/97 +0100, you wrote:
quoted 2 lines Yes, but what darn speed do you play it at? I get infuriated when>Yes, but what darn speed do you play it at? I get infuriated when >artists don't put the rpm on...it puts me off playing the thing.
45 last track is just stunning - the best autechre melody since the beatless track from garbage eh? cheerio! np - IF NOT XOR - silicon vortex ----- -------- ELTON WELSBY RECORDS, jazz-funk to whiten your spunk http://www.sub-con-geo.demon.co.uk/migration.ram ----- --------
1998-01-20 19:07Jon LoganIs cichlisuite pronounced 'sickly-sweet'? Or, along the lines of 'autechre', are we licens
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Is cichlisuite pronounced 'sickly-sweet'? Or, along the lines of 'autechre', are we licensed to pronounce it any way we please? Electronic music folks are, for the most part, pretty weird. ;) jon ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jonathan Logan Work: 415 543-2800 UI Droog Home: 415 487-0424 CriticalPath, Inc. Mobile: 415 902-8079 ------------------------------------------------------------------------
1998-01-20 19:45Doug Lampsonis autechre pronounced "aw-tek-shure"? or is there some other groovalicious sounds my mout
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is autechre pronounced "aw-tek-shure"? or is there some other groovalicious sounds my mouth should make? thanks so so much http://www.angelfire.com/sd/athelia