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considering the comments I've seen about bill laswell, what are everyone's thoughts about dark side of the moog 5? it seems as though if pete namlook had the same opinions, they wouldn't collaborate so much (although I'm probably wrong). I've enjoyed it somewhat on the first listen, but I should I consider others legitimate concerns about his music -- namely, that he rehashes others work. Is this such a rehash, or should it be considered for a valid work of art? --brett

On Wed, 30 Jul 1997 16:49:47 -0700 (PDT) Brett McCormick <brett@chicken.org> writes:

quoted 11 lines considering the comments I've seen about bill laswell, what are

> >considering the comments I've seen about bill laswell, what are >everyone's thoughts about dark side of the moog 5? it seems as though >if pete namlook had the same opinions, they wouldn't collaborate so >much (although I'm probably wrong). I've enjoyed it somewhat on the >first listen, but I should I consider others legitimate concerns about >his music -- namely, that he rehashes others work. Is this such a >rehash, or should it be considered for a valid work of art? > >--brett >

i dont get ur question..."i should consider others legitimate concerns about his music"...who's? laswell's? namlook's? and "that he re-hashes others work" again ..who rehashes? laswell? namlook? as to dsotm 5: remember that this is a Collaboration (with a capital C) ...it is not an individual work...it is also a progression that began with dsotm 1...try playing them all back-to-back for a taste of what that means...granted, each one of the dsotm discs gives more latitude to one of the collaborators...thats why, imo, the first two are more "schulzian", the next one more "namlookian" and the final two, more "laswellian"...i dont think laswell's bass is a "re-hash", and certainly not a "re-hash of others work"...he has a distinctive style, which melds quit well in this type of music...u may not like it, but its no coincidence that his style is in such demand... tom w np: brand x - live at the roxy la 1973

On Thu, 31 Jul 1997 tweibrecht@juno.com wrote:

quoted 6 lines as to dsotm 5: remember that this is a Collaboration (with a capital C)

> as to dsotm 5: remember that this is a Collaboration (with a capital C) > ...it is not an individual work...it is also a progression that began > with dsotm 1...try playing them all back-to-back for a taste of what that > means...granted, each one of the dsotm discs gives more latitude to one > of the collaborators...thats why, imo, the first two are more > "schulzian"

What amazes me about the 1st two is that they couldn't be bothered to change the delay settings over the entire course of their collaBOREation. Also, there are several places where Namlook's VCS3 is badly out of tune. I guess people are used to such laziness from Namlook, though. Quantity, not quality. Che

no problem: here u go: lost in translation compilation oscillations painkiller - execution ground third rail - south delta space blues sacred system dub phantom city live praxis aiyeb dieng - rythmagik material - seven souls golden palominos pil - album (or cd) bass terror heres a dozen albums that laswell has played on...they should give u a good overview of what the man does and why he is important...anyone on the list feel free to add and/or flame these selections... tom w np: omar pene and super diamono - direct from dakar On Thu, 31 Jul 1997 10:39:32 -0700 (PDT) Brett McCormick <brett@chicken.org> writes:

quoted 34 lines People have said (on more than one occasion) things about bill laswell

> >People have said (on more than one occasion) things about bill laswell >which would tend to make me shy away from his stuff. And it isn't >that I don't like it, it's that I'm curious what others think. I am >interested in finding more about collaborations (with or without a >capital C). He seems to be a competent musician, and I do realize now >that my question was a mite bit silly.. de-lurking pains perhaps.. > >--brett > >On Thu, 31 July 1997, at 11:21:29, tweibrecht@juno.com wrote: > >> i dont get ur question..."i should consider others legitimate >concerns >> about his music"...who's? laswell's? namlook's? and "that he >re-hashes >> others work" again ..who rehashes? laswell? namlook? >> as to dsotm 5: remember that this is a Collaboration (with a capital >C) >> ...it is not an individual work...it is also a progression that >began >> with dsotm 1...try playing them all back-to-back for a taste of what >that >> means...granted, each one of the dsotm discs gives more latitude to >one >> of the collaborators...thats why, imo, the first two are more >> "schulzian", the next one more "namlookian" and the final two, more >> "laswellian"...i dont think laswell's bass is a "re-hash", and >certainly >> not a "re-hash of others work"...he has a distinctive style, which >melds >> quit well in this type of music...u may not like it, but its no >> coincidence that his style is in such demand... >

quoted 18 lines no problem: here u go:

>no problem: here u go: > >lost in translation compilation >oscillations >painkiller - execution ground >third rail - south delta space blues >sacred system dub >phantom city live >praxis >aiyeb dieng - rythmagik >material - seven souls >golden palominos >pil - album (or cd) >bass terror > >heres a dozen albums that laswell has played on...they should give u a >good overview of what the man does and why he is important...anyone on >the list feel free to add and/or flame these selections...

Ambient Compendium- A collection of Bill's work with other artists like Pete Namlook, Jonah Sharp, Automaton, Jah Wobble, Tetsuu Inoue, and many others. \|/ @--out----------*--+what-I-got-in-my-head-you-can't-buy-steal-or-borrow /|\ -Primal Scream --Paul p. "To find your mind, you have to lose it first"

On Thu, 31 Jul 1997 12:55:08 +0000 () Che <zeus8@synthcom.com> writes:

quoted 21 lines On Thu, 31 Jul 1997 tweibrecht@juno.com wrote:

>On Thu, 31 Jul 1997 tweibrecht@juno.com wrote: > >> as to dsotm 5: remember that this is a Collaboration (with a capital >C) >> ...it is not an individual work...it is also a progression that >began >> with dsotm 1...try playing them all back-to-back for a taste of what >that >> means...granted, each one of the dsotm discs gives more latitude to >one >> of the collaborators...thats why, imo, the first two are more >> "schulzian" > >What amazes me about the 1st two is that they couldn't be bothered to >change the delay settings over the entire course of their >collaBOREation. >Also, there are several places where Namlook's VCS3 is badly out of >tune. >I guess people are used to such laziness from Namlook, though. >Quantity, >not quality.

so lets see: 2 shit releases out of over 200...about 1%...wish i had that kinda lazy track record... tom w np: namlook V