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1997-07-30 01:13Gonzi (Fresh) (idm) robbery.
├─ 1997-07-30 04:58maker of all Re: (idm) robbery.
├─ 1997-07-30 11:14GamePrg. Re: (idm) robbery.
├─ 1997-07-30 14:52GamePrg. Re: (idm) robbery.
│ └─ 1997-07-30 15:05GamePrg. Re: (idm) robbery
└─ 1997-07-30 20:48Ben Coffer Re: (idm) robbery.
1997-07-30 02:19Re: (idm) robbery.
├─ 1997-07-29 19:54s.f.w.d. Re: (idm) robbery.
└─ 1997-07-30 11:39GamePrg. Re: (idm) robbery.
1997-07-30 04:33Bryan Bickel Re: (idm) robbery.
1997-07-30 16:08Erkki Rautio Re: (idm) robbery.
1997-07-30 23:15Michal Kielak Re: (idm) robbery.
└─ 1997-07-31 03:29Superfuzz Re: (idm) robbery.
1997-07-31 02:47Jacob Arnold Re: (idm) robbery.
1997-07-31 03:05Lazlo Nibble (idm) robbery.
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1997-07-30 01:13Gonzi (Fresh)Why some people deciede to do things is absoltuely beyond me. I received an e-mail today f
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Why some people deciede to do things is absoltuely beyond me. I received an e-mail today from Multsanta letting me know that someone had ripped off my discography from the Squarepusher page and placed it on his own site. Not a big deal, there are 3 other sites that are using my discography formatted differently and with proper credit and linkage. However, this guy has gone totally over the fucking edge. Not only has he ripped off my HTML exactly and all my gaphics but he has given me no credit for my work and instead credited it to himself! He doesn't even include one mention of me or a link to my page. Here is the offending site so you can see for yourself: http://www.islandia.is/~junglizt/pusher.html Notice any similarities? Needless to say I was pretty pissed off about him ripping off my stuff. I sent him this letter today:
quoted 16 lines Do you realize how totally uncool it is to steal things that don't> Do you realize how totally uncool it is to steal things that don't > belong to you? Do you have any idea how many hours it took to make that > site? If you want to link to me, fine, if you want to include my > discography but change around the HTML so you can tell that it is not my > page, fine, but do not mirror my page and change my HTML around and > worst of all give yourself credit for something you had no part in: > > > > Squarepusher - My page about Squarepusher > > > > The above is fucking totally ridiculous. You don't even say the page is > by me or give me a credit. > > Please remove my page from your site immediately. >
And this is the reply I just recieved....
quoted 11 lines hahaha> hahaha > > i said , info stolen by junglizt , also , i changed it so it´s not yours , > plus it´s not © by you and you have no authorization to write something down > about squarepusher , did you ask him ? , anyhows doesn´t matter , it´s the > net , you don´t own anything on the net , don´t you get it yet ? > > shit.............. > > anyways , stop buggin and start living , peace............ >
Needless to say, I am even fucking more pissed off at this idiot now. If anyone can see how he changed it so it's not mine please let me know. The only thing I can see that he changed is the link to e-mail me no longer e-mails me but e-mails him! And it gets even worse! If you follow the links to and other the other sections from the toolbar it says that he hasn't copied those yet and god knows what the fuck he's going to do there. So can someone on the list plese tell me what I can do to stop this guy? Perhaps some of the people who are into the page can write him e-mail and let him know how fucked up it is to steal someone elses page. His e-mail is: junglizt@islandia.is Any other comments, help or advice would be appreciated... _____ / ,-,_) /,_) (/ ReSH Live & Direct from the G-Spot, Orange County, California, USA http://www1.linkonline.net/fresh/
1997-07-30 04:58maker of all>So can someone on the list plese tell me what I can do to stop this guy? >Perhaps some of
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quoted 6 lines So can someone on the list plese tell me what I can do to stop this guy?>So can someone on the list plese tell me what I can do to stop this guy? >Perhaps some of the people who are into the page can write him e-mail >and let him know how fucked up it is to steal someone elses page. His >e-mail is: junglizt@islandia.is > >Any other comments, help or advice would be appreciated...
I'll tell you one thing. Junglizt writes some of the worst fucking jungle mods available to man. Search the archives at cdrom.com for his stuff. It's terrible. Makes my ears bleed feces. I've worked hard, long fucking hours trying to complete the Luke Vibert discography + would be steaming mad at dirt if someone ripped it off me. As an anti-theft method, there's a hideously untrue bit of information on the LV discography I placed there last year. Add this to 'losing yer girlfriend' and 'eating ramen noodles' to the list of The Perils of Trainspotting. g.
1997-07-30 11:14GamePrg.On Wednesday, 30-Jul-97, Gonzi \(Fresh\) wrote [about (idm) robbery.]: >> i said , info st
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On Wednesday, 30-Jul-97, Gonzi \(Fresh\) wrote [about (idm) robbery.]:
quoted 1 line i said , info stolen by junglizt , also , i changed it so it´s not yours ,>> i said , info stolen by junglizt , also , i changed it so it´s not yours ,
one thing you can try is ask him to say that he stole it from you.. since he's already got that on there.
quoted 1 line plus it´s not © by you and you have no authorization to write something>> plus it´s not © by you and you have no authorization to write something
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quoted 2 lines about squarepusher , did you ask him ? , anyhows doesn´t matter , it´s the>> about squarepusher , did you ask him ? , anyhows doesn´t matter , it´s the >> net , you don´t own anything on the net , don´t you get it yet ?
heh I always put a (C) notice on all my pages, and the ppl don't know it's not (C) (well, they do now).. that is fully 100% legal when it comes to stuff that doesn't really matter like modules, etc.. You should probably put on your Sqrepshr page some (C)'s from Rephlex etc. to keep yourself out of trouble, and say only the HTML and gfx are (C) by you (if you indeed made them)
quoted 3 lines anyone can see how he changed it so it's not mine please let me know.>anyone can see how he changed it so it's not mine please let me know. >The only thing I can see that he changed is the link to e-mail me no >longer e-mails me but e-mails him! And it gets even worse! If you follow
he also put that disc in the upperleft corner? I don't remember if yours had it? not sure.. but this doesn't make it his creation :D
quoted 1 line So can someone on the list plese tell me what I can do to stop this guy?>So can someone on the list plese tell me what I can do to stop this guy?
there's nothing you can do, besides mailbombing him or send him a mailinglist bomb (auto-subscribe him to shitloads of mailinglists, hah but it won't work for any of the Hyperreal lists, coz it requires it to be confirmed =) but that isn't the most nice thing to do, but you can do it anyway if you feel you must :D
quoted 3 lines Perhaps some of the people who are into the page can write him e-mail>Perhaps some of the people who are into the page can write him e-mail >and let him know how fucked up it is to steal someone elses page. His >e-mail is: junglizt@islandia.is
ok
quoted 1 line Any other comments, help or advice would be appreciated...>Any other comments, help or advice would be appreciated...
hm.. you could actually go through all the shit and red tape and stuff and get your pages copyrighted =) __ __\ \ / /_\ \ \_____/ www.freq-div.home.ml.org
1997-07-30 14:52GamePrg.On Wednesday, 30-Jul-97, Gonzi \(Fresh\) wrote [about (idm) robbery.]: >Why some people de
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On Wednesday, 30-Jul-97, Gonzi \(Fresh\) wrote [about (idm) robbery.]:
quoted 1 line Why some people deciede to do things is absoltuely beyond me. I received>Why some people deciede to do things is absoltuely beyond me. I received
quoted 2 lines Notice any similarities? Needless to say I was pretty pissed off about>Notice any similarities? Needless to say I was pretty pissed off about >him ripping off my stuff. I sent him this letter today:
huh he hangs out in #jungle in IRC!! :DDDDD Why not go there and talk to him live? I'm doing it right now :D __ __\ \ / /_\ \ \_____/ www.freq-div.home.ml.org
1997-07-30 15:05GamePrg.On Wednesday, 30-Jul-97, GamePrg. wrote [about Re: (idm) robbery.]: >huh he hangs out in #
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On Wednesday, 30-Jul-97, GamePrg. wrote [about Re: (idm) robbery.]:
quoted 2 lines huh he hangs out in #jungle in IRC!! :DDDDD>huh he hangs out in #jungle in IRC!! :DDDDD >Why not go there and talk to him live? I'm doing it right now :D
that would be on IRCNet, ie: irc.funet.fi, irc.pspt.fi and irc.stealth.net here's a direct quote from someone who knows Junglizt, I won't give out the name because this guy has nothing to do with it: "as far as i know he stole some sounds too earlier so that's not a new thing for him i suppose." __ __\ \ / /_\ \ \_____/ www.freq-div.home.ml.org
1997-07-30 20:48Ben CofferIn message <33DE9556.35D60F5B@linkonline.net>, "Gonzi (Fresh)" <fresh@linkonline.net> writ
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In message <33DE9556.35D60F5B@linkonline.net>, "Gonzi (Fresh)" <fresh@linkonline.net> writes
quoted 1 line So can someone on the list plese tell me what I can do to stop this guy?>So can someone on the list plese tell me what I can do to stop this guy?
One word, copyright. If you can prove it was your intellectual property first then that's it for him. And guess what, as your witnesses you've got everyone on this list that's been to your page. (including me) -- Ben Coffer Hybrid Productions http://www.hybridgame.demon.co.uk/
1997-07-30 02:19MultSanta@aol.com<<> i said , info stolen by junglizt>> yeah, but not info, html, and graphics stolen by ju
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<<> i said , info stolen by junglizt>> yeah, but not info, html, and graphics stolen by junglizt. <<i changed it so it?s not yours ,>> << The only thing I can see that he changed is the link to e-mail me no longer e-mails me but e-mails him! >> yeah and it still says mailto: fresh, so he stole your name, too :-) at the bottom: <<info stolen by Junglizt ?97 :) This page is maintained by Junglizt Email : Junglizt Copyright ? Junglizt 1996-1997>> 1996-1997? It took him a whole year to copy the page! Where is the maintance? It looks exactly the same as Fresh's page, before he updated it. <<> plus it?s not ? by you>> isn't something considered copyrighted whether you write a little ? next to it or not? this guy has nerve copyrighting something that's not even his. If I broke into an authors house and stole his finished, unpublished, book, and it didn't have a ? next to it, and I published it and ? in my name, is that legal? <<and you have no authorization to write something down
quoted 1 line about squarepusher , did you ask him ?>>> about squarepusher , did you ask him ?>>
hmm... did he have permission to reprint it? Anyway, I think it's perfectly legal to type up a list of records and upload to the internet. There are millions of sites with discographies. and I'm gonna guess that Gonzi has had some sort of contact with tom j (possibly indirect), as he did design the (OFFICAL) rephlex and spymania pages and is in contact with both labels. <<So can someone on the list plese tell me what I can do to stop this guy? Perhaps some of the people who are into the page can write him e-mail and let him know how fucked up it is to steal someone elses page. His e-mail is: junglizt@islandia.is>> or we could just send him one massive list wide mailbomb :-) <<anyhows doesn?t matter , it?s the
quoted 1 line net , you don?t own anything on the net , don?t you get it yet ?>>> net , you don?t own anything on the net , don?t you get it yet ?>>
easy enough for this guy to say, since he hasn't put any effort what so ever into any of his web pages. I better be quick to copyright all of my pages, or some fuckhead is gonna take them and spread them around the web as his own work %99 of web pages don't have a copyright, come on, the web is fun show some netiquitte (sp?) <<Any other comments, help or advice would be appreciated...>> Try stealing his Prodigy <snicker> page word for word. Or was that ripped from someone else, also? overall, anyone who designs web pages knows the hours of work that goes into it. It is a fucking piece of art. This Junglezit guy should stick to the fucking prodigy and stay the hell away from others sites. I urge all webmasters to put a "?" on all thier pages to keep assholes like this from stealing it. ps: 29,000 hits??!! Someone had thier auto-reload button down// mult. http://members.aol.com/MultSanta
1997-07-29 19:54s.f.w.d.> 1996-1997? It took him a whole year to copy the page! > Where is the maintance? It looks
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quoted 3 lines 1996-1997? It took him a whole year to copy the page!> 1996-1997? It took him a whole year to copy the page! > Where is the maintance? It looks exactly the same as Fresh's page, before he > updated it.
hehehe... I actually laughed out loud when I saw the 'email: fresh'... I thought that was just great =) I was pretty offended myself that he didn't at least rip an updated versio __________________________________________ brap@sonic.net *** sfwd@sonic.net http://www.sonic.net/~brap/ DOT.info.station the.hardcore.outdated.GPO.page c.Gosselin, POBox8264, Santa Rosa, CA 95407
1997-07-30 11:39GamePrg.On Wednesday, 30-Jul-97, MultSanta@aol.com wrote [about Re: (idm) robbery.]: ><<> plus it´
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On Wednesday, 30-Jul-97, MultSanta@aol.com wrote [about Re: (idm) robbery.]:
quoted 1 line <<> plus it´s not © by you>>><<> plus it´s not © by you>>
quoted 2 lines isn't something considered copyrighted whether you write a little © next to>isn't something considered copyrighted whether you write a little © next to >it or not?
nopes.. that's just what everybody does, because they don't feel like going trhough all the paperwork to copyright something. I talked to a friend at an ISP once about it, and he said that he doesn't know, his lawyer does all that shit, and at that point I started writing © on stuff like everyone else.
quoted 4 lines this guy has nerve copyrighting something that's not even his. If I broke>this guy has nerve copyrighting something that's not even his. If I broke >into an authors house and stole his finished, unpublished, book, and it >didn't have a © next to it, and I published it and © in my name, is that >legal?
not unless it's REALLY copyrighted, which I seriously doubt.. usually, no one cares about that, but if that page was already really copyrighted he could get in serious trouble.
quoted 6 lines easy enough for this guy to say, since he hasn't put any effort what so ever>easy enough for this guy to say, since he hasn't put any effort what so ever >into any of his web pages. I better be quick to copyright all of my pages, >or some fuckhead is gonna take them and spread them around the web as his own >work >%99 of web pages don't have a copyright, come on, the web is fun show some >netiquitte (sp?)
I wouldn't be worried about it.. why should Gonzi be worried? look how many ppl here alone have already come to his defense :) __ __\ \ / /_\ \ \_____/ www.freq-div.home.ml.org
1997-07-30 04:33Bryan Bickeldon't sweat it gonzi, once everyone on this list see's that he's created his own prodigy h
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don't sweat it gonzi, once everyone on this list see's that he's created his own prodigy homepage, they won't even care to see what else he's got. :) Bryan
1997-07-30 16:08Erkki RautioGonzi wrote: > Why some people deciede to do things is absoltuely beyond me. I received >
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Gonzi wrote:
quoted 9 lines Why some people deciede to do things is absoltuely beyond me. I received> Why some people deciede to do things is absoltuely beyond me. I received > an e-mail today from Multsanta letting me know that someone had ripped > off my discography from the Squarepusher page and placed it on his own > site. Not a big deal, there are 3 other sites that are using my > discography formatted differently and with proper credit and linkage. > However, this guy has gone totally over the fucking edge. Not only has > he ripped off my HTML exactly and all my gaphics but he has given me no > credit for my work and instead credited it to himself! He doesn't even > include one mention of me or a link to my page.
Hmm, this reminds me of when Sony Techno in Japan used the Jimi Tenor disco- graphy (http://www.sci.fi/~phinnweb/tenor.html) compiled by me on their Web page (http://www.sme.co.jp:80/Music/Info/SonyTechno/featureE/9703/disco.html) + also the record sleeve images I had received from my mate Samu Mielonen. OK, this guy representing Sony wrote to me afterwards to ask the permission (note: after they had already put the discog to their page), and I didn't know what to do except say to yes, since I just thought it's great if it can give more international coverage to Jimi, being a local Finnish artist who I want to naturally support any way I can. Later I got some second thoughts about this thing, though. I was honoured but I only wish they would have just credited me there or linked my page, not to even talk about paying me for my efforts... (As they say, I'm not greedy but it's just a question of principle... ;) In your case, Gonzi, we are talking about another private individual ripping off your page, but Sony is a goddamn multinational corporation, for fuck's sake! I've given this thing a bit thought lately, and I don't really know what I ought to do. (Of course, I'm not the guy to cast the first rock with what comes to copyrights, but at least I just maintain my page as a fan only; I don't do business or gain any commercial profit from pHinnWeb, if I can say anything for my defense - read: http://www.sci.fi/~phinnweb/copyright.html.) Good luck, Gonzi, and hope you'll get the right to what justifiably belongs to you.
quoted 6 lines / ,-,_)> / ,-,_) > /,_) > (/ ReSH > Live & Direct from the G-Spot, > Orange County, California, USA > http://www1.linkonline.net/fresh/
transmission from the pHinnWeb Bunker over, ekku aka nemo the maintainer of pHinnWeb - the old skool, the nu skool and the pHuture skool of Finnish electronic music trerra@uta.fi | http://www.uta.fi/~trerra | http://www.sci.fi/~phinnweb "i'm only here for the dollar bill and i like it somehow sugardaddy, don't let me down"
1997-07-30 23:15Michal KielakBen Coffer wrote: > One word, copyright. If you can prove it was your intellectual > prope
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Ben Coffer wrote:
quoted 4 lines One word, copyright. If you can prove it was your intellectual> One word, copyright. If you can prove it was your intellectual > property first then that's it for him. And guess what, as your > witnesses you've got everyone on this list that's been to your page. > (including me)
but this means a case in the court, a lawyer or two etc. $$$$ and lots of hassle, especially that this jerk is not in the US mk
1997-07-31 03:29Superfuzz>but this means a case in the court, a lawyer or two etc. >$$$$ and lots of hassle, especi
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quoted 2 lines but this means a case in the court, a lawyer or two etc.>but this means a case in the court, a lawyer or two etc. >$$$$ and lots of hassle, especially that this jerk is not in the US
We could kidnap him and bring him here. I have some, er, "friends" who I'm sure wouldn't mind doing the job. :) Ryan Visima rvisima@astral.magic.ca Superfuzz Media ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- crack addict >> mac user >> aphex twin fan >> satan worshipper music maker >> adult film star >> arsonist >> and all around nice guy http://www.magic.ca/~rvisima/aphex/
1997-07-31 02:47Jacob ArnoldExcerpt from Brad Templeton's "10 Big Myths About Copyright Explained" (http://www.clari.n
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Excerpt from Brad Templeton's "10 Big Myths About Copyright Explained" (http://www.clari.net/brad/copymyths.html): "These days, almost all things are copyrighted the moment they are written, and no copyright notice is required. Copyright is still violated whether you charged money or not, only damages are affected by that. Postings to the net are not granted to the public domain, and don't grant you any permission to do further copying except perhaps the sort of copying the poster might have expected in the ordinary flow of the net." --------------------------------------------------------------------- Jacob Arnold Crossfade jarnold1@ic3.ithaca.edu www.ithaca.edu/shp/shp99/jarnold1/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------
1997-07-31 03:05Lazlo Nibble> So can someone on the list plese tell me what I can do to stop this guy? Well, for start
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quoted 1 line So can someone on the list plese tell me what I can do to stop this guy?> So can someone on the list plese tell me what I can do to stop this guy?
Well, for starters I strongly suggest you get a copyright notice up on your pages. It might not have stopped this nitwit but it never hurts, and despite what some ill-informed folks on the list seem to think, you don't need to register anything you create to claim (or own) the copyright to it. Nobody's seems to be linking to "his" Squarepusher discog, but a number of people are linking to other pages of his; they might take down those links if you hunt them down and explain to them what he's doing. Notice or not, you *do* own the copyright to this material. Mention that to his service provider. Don't mention lawyers unless you're really willing to back it up with at least a cease-and-desist letter. (You may have to if you're serious about getting him to stop.) How well do you know *your* service provider? Would they block access to your pages from his domain? Sorry to hear you're in this spot. I've been there too and it sucks. -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) ::: Internet Music Wantlists: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo/Wantlists