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quoted 3 lines From: godpup@ix.netcom.com

> From: godpup@ix.netcom.com > To: idm-digest@hyperreal.org > Subject: (idm) sure, alright

quoted 5 lines quit watching MTV if you're just gonna bitch about it. when i walk into Modern

> quit watching MTV if you're just gonna bitch about it. when i walk into Modern > Music and see YOUR CD on the wall, i'll personally drive to your house and kiss > your ass. until then, try to keep this list from becoming more myopic and ego- > maniacal than it already is... >

Hear hear! I was trying to think of how to make a post to this effect, but couldn't do it as eloquently as this...i have an icky feeling that if the chem bros were EXCLUSIVE to only hardcore idm'ers, they would be much more appreciated. As soon as someone gets on mtv, we feel like our music has been violated and fight back by shunning the artist. It really isn't fair, but its human nature i guess, eh? Ali "It means we'll manage I'll master your language And in the meantime I'll create my own" (Tricky)

sorry, but this is yet another posting about the chemical brothers. (and some sidetracks..) with the exception of a FEW people on this list, their isn't ANYONE that has their own record/CD being circulated by the thousands. (in the states, and overseas...) of course there's the 70% that own a bunch of keyboards and samplers (and i'm not dismissing myself), and say how this sucks, and that sucks, and they're crankin' out shit at home that's totally incredible. so where's your material? (besides some cheesey low-rate sample on a homepage...) let's see... i listen to the chemical brothers, and i also listen to luke vibert, freefrom, bentley rhythm ace, squarepusher, plug, cylob, paradinas, r. james, r. kirk, reload, gescom, autechre, etc... so i guess i'm not "intelligent" since i "threw" the chem bros. in there eh?? how can you say these guys suck? the only time music actually "sucks," is when the "artist" isn't truly doing what they want. the chem bros. material is consistent and true to form. "they" admit that their music is different blends of rock, techno, trip-hop, and "funk" (to a degree). god forbid it isn't purely electronic (in a sense)and won't see a radio station for the next 5 years. (that's what makes this all intelligent...right???) as for it being 100% sampled based is bullshit. the bass guitar loops are played by the group. those "magical" keyboard sounds didn't come from nowhere. (it's a Juno i believe. an ARP 2600 for the massive bass drum sounds...) just tired of seeing a group being "bashed" because it doesn't have an "amen" break in one of its songs, or they've been interviewed by more than 2 magazines. (btw, magazines come to them, not the other way around. at least, most of the time...) ego-maniacs? yeah, their faces are plastered all over their videos. read Keyboard or something, and quit watching MTV if you're just gonna bitch about it. when i walk into Modern Music and see YOUR CD on the wall, i'll personally drive to your house and kiss your ass. until then, try to keep this list from becoming more myopic and ego- maniacal than it already is... love that skampler, chrisTiaN -- "People never touched one another. The custom had become obsolete, owing to the machine." -E.M. Forster, The Machine Stops, 1909

At 22:59 16/07/97 -0500, you wrote:

quoted 1 line sorry, but this is yet another posting about the chemical brothers.

>sorry, but this is yet another posting about the chemical brothers.

oh no, not another one :-)

quoted 3 lines with the exception of a FEW people on this list, their

>with the exception of a FEW people on this list, their >isn't ANYONE that has their own record/CD being circulated by the thousands. >(in the states, and overseas...)

well, there are a few.

quoted 4 lines of course there's the 70% that own a

>of course there's the 70% that own a >bunch of keyboards and samplers (and i'm not dismissing myself), and >say how this sucks, and that sucks, and they're crankin' out shit at >home that's totally incredible. so where's your material?

well, it's lying here on a digital tape! whether i want to release it or not is a personal matter (as a matter of fact i'm pricing up pressing plants as i type, but that's another story).

quoted 1 line (besides some cheesey low-rate sample on a homepage...)

>(besides some cheesey low-rate sample on a homepage...)

yeah, why don't more people use mp3's? i think it could start a big change in the scene. or at least when most people have cd burners or digital outs on their computer so they can go and play high quality internet music on their system or even in clubs - music hot off the press, and if you think dubplates are 'roots', well....

quoted 5 lines let's see... i listen

>let's see... i listen >to the chemical brothers, and i also listen to luke vibert, freefrom, >bentley rhythm ace, squarepusher, plug, cylob, paradinas, r. james, >r. kirk, reload, gescom, autechre, etc... so i guess i'm not "intelligent" >since i "threw" the chem bros. in there eh??

well that's a great line up there. all i can vouch for is my own tastes and without trying to sound like a trendy snob (for want of a better phrase) my own standards when it comes to music. i don't have a problem with the chemical brothers *style*, i simply think their production and the range of ideas is poor! i listen to a lot of music the chemical brothers site as influences, i dig some beastie boys productions, i dig schooly d, public enemy, i dig 70's funk like you wouldn't believe. the difference between these and the chemical brothers is that on most of their tracks they try to be all these things at once, and all they end up with is a barrage of noise that hasn't got any *space* in it, and isn't funk/dance/techno/electronic music 50% about the space? the production has a pop aesthetic rather than an experimental one, which is why it sounds right on the radio, right in the car, right on a student's cheap midi and right in the pub. which, in turn, is why it sells, because all the pop market wants is EASY LISTENING

quoted 1 line how can you say these guys suck?

>how can you say these guys suck?

i just say what i think

quoted 2 lines the only time music actually "sucks," is when the "artist" isn't

>the only time music actually "sucks," is when the "artist" isn't truly >doing what they want.

maybe that is true in a way, but it isn't an objective world, and we only have a limited time on this planet, yeah? we try, on the list, to bring the spotlight on the music being made that is worthy, it's a general consensus that swings the collective opinion - kind of like a little society. if the majority like or don't like it, then that will have an influence on people who are reading. if i can explain why i think people shouldn't be buying this music, and other people agree and compound this view (these people are numerous) then maybe people reading will understand, and go for something 'better'. to have the view that no-one should attack music they don't like, well, not everyone is that aloof.

quoted 1 line the chem bros. material is consistent and true to form.

>the chem bros. material is consistent and true to form.

it's the form that is the problem. the chemical brothers never stick their necks out, never seek to change people's musical view, they just give the big crowd what they ask for - that's no way for a good musician to go about it. if you hear something on the radio, maybe at work, or maybe in the car, somewhere public, and you and the people around you want to hear the whole thing through, then maybe that is a sign that the music is poor. it should disturb you, disturb your consciousness, make you *listen* instead of simply *hearing*. then you have to learn to appreciate it, and as a result you gain something from it.

quoted 3 lines god forbid it isn't purely electronic (in a sense) and won't see

>god forbid it isn't purely electronic (in a sense) and won't see >a radio station for the next 5 years. (that's what >makes this all intelligent...right???)

i'll be really obvious and say yes. uncommercial, innovative, even underground. is the general public ready for rdj yet? the signs are there - tv ads, chart records. this is the only way it can be. maybe it will be true that rdj-style music will in the future be overground, and if rdj is still doing the same thing (which he won't), he would hear the machinations of the underground artists burrowing beneath his feet. i repeat - it's the form that is the problem. those who change, develop and stick their necks out are the ones who remain underground, innovative, uncommercial. if you want to make money, that's easy, just give people what they want, and stick to your formula - this is what the chemical brothers are doing.

quoted 2 lines just tired of seeing a group being "bashed"

>just tired of seeing a group being "bashed" >because it doesn't have an "amen" break in one of its songs

don't we be bash them BECAUSE of this?

quoted 3 lines or they've been

>or they've been >interviewed by more than 2 magazines. (btw, magazines come to them, not the >other way around. at least, most of the time...)

erm yes but you alone decide whether you want to co-operate.

quoted 2 lines ego-maniacs? yeah, their

>ego-maniacs? yeah, their >faces are plastered all over their videos.

never seen a video of theirs. but (and, of course, i'm talking about in the uk) an issue of MM or NME never goes by without a big colour shot of said brothers doing something. part of the pop machine.

quoted 2 lines read Keyboard or something, and

>read Keyboard or something, and >quit watching MTV if you're just gonna bitch about it.

don't watch mtv, or tv. and generally i'll only read sound on sound, because the other mags are produced by complete wankers. at least in SOS you get some technical depth to the articles

quoted 2 lines when i walk into Modern

>when i walk into Modern >Music and see YOUR CD on the wall, i'll personally drive to your house and

kiss

quoted 1 line your ass.

>your ass.

well no thanks. i'd prefer it if you kissed the record. and i hope i never get so commercial as to be producing COMPACT DISCS! BLEEEEEURGH!

quoted 2 lines until then, try to keep this list from becoming more myopic and ego-

>until then, try to keep this list from becoming more myopic and ego- >maniacal than it already is...

nothing wrong with a bit of ego - ego gets you places.

quoted 1 line love that skampler

>love that skampler

thought it was a pretty sad idea - WHAT would be WRONG with reissuing the eps, instead of this grotesque half-baked 'extra tracks and a tacky badge' concept? it might be a sampler, but who's going to buy this thing except the spotters who have the eps already? i don't intend on paying 20 something quid or whatever on a couple of tunes from off the cutting room floor (i'm not THAT devoted, hahaha) cheerio! np - demo sample from fourth world fw01 ep (yep, yep... put me down for a copy) oosalford oosounds xxwe want to hear your music! email!

On Thu, 17 Jul 1997, Salford Sounds (Logicbot R14) wrote:

quoted 5 lines yeah, why don't more people use mp3's? i think it could start a big change

> yeah, why don't more people use mp3's? i think it could start a big change > in the scene. or at least when most people have cd burners or digital outs > on their computer so they can go and play high quality internet music on > their system or even in clubs - music hot off the press, and if you think > dubplates are 'roots', well....

Whenever I find a good MP3 I record it onto MiniDisc. Sounds as good as a CD-R and is much cheaper. Also, the trouble with CD-R is you should fill up a CD before burning it, whereas with MiniDisc you can record tracks and delete them whenever you want. Does anybody else on this list use MiniDiscs? I'd love to do some disc trading (never got into tape trading because they sound like shit). -- Emanuel Borsboom : Victoria, B.C., Canada http://zerius.com/manny/ : "Pop goes your culture..."

On Thu, 17 Jul 1997, Brett McCormick wrote: } } > >love that skampler } } Well, I bought it. I don't have any SKAM (yeah yeah) but then not } having a turntable makes that difficult. I'm interested, so I bought } it.. It seems like the people who have the SKAM eps wouldn't buy it, } doesn't it? Even for the people with most of the Skam records, the comp is definitely worth getting. The following tracks are exclusive to the CD: 5. GESCOM mag ae rmx (exclusive) 6. FREEFORM refane (exclusive) 11. BOLA cobalt (exclusive) 13.2 GESCOM stoop (exclusive) 13.3 JEGA tamad (exclusive) Plus, most of the die-hard Skam spotters don't even have the 1st Skam release by Lego Feet and there are three tracks from that release too: 1. LEGO FEET leaves on the line [SKA 001] 7. LEGO FEET northwest water [SKA 001] 10. LEGO FEET keyop [SKA 001] Since there are 15 tracks (including the two "hidden" ones), I'd say 8 out of 15 new tracks is a good reason for the Skam lovers to hunt it down too... | E r i c | [mail] franse@engr.arizona.edu | | F r a n s | [web] http://engr.arizona.edu/~franse | "Make the events occur that you want to occur" - The Black Dog

more power to you bro'. my computers been down for four days and I fixed it only to find 200 some odd messages waiting for me from the IDM list. About 80% of them were about the chemical brothers and the prodigy. My feeling is; shit, if you don't like 'em fuck 'em, but goin' on and on about it is just toooo boring. Hey, anyhow I fuckin' loved some of the trax on their first album (prodigy). I can remember back in the day ravin' it hard to "Charly". You know what else? If the prodigy suck then I guess that means that so do Altern8 and T99. BAck in the day they pretty much all sounded the same. The prodigy's new album in my opinion sucks. I think however that they deserve to be rich as fuck. Liam in my opinion is a great "techno" artist and some of the beats he makes are friggin' fat (Fuck the lyrics, and listen to the beats!) As for the chemical brothers; well, they pretty much stick to their own genre of music whatever it's called. Some kinda hip trip hop rock funk acid shit or whatever you want to call it. I don't really go for much of that either. One thing you can say for them is that they have pretty much stayed true to the game. No sell-out and all that. And by the way, selling out doesn't mean making a lot of money. If you want to go that route just ask Aphex who had enough loot to buy his very own tank... Also, (to continue) if any of you all remember the west coast LA-San Francisco scene back in around '94 then you will recall that there was a whole knew trend starting of breakbeat/old school music. Everyone was lovin' it and the sounds of the Chemical Brothers (then the Dust Brothers) were leading the pack. Years later (musical years) they still more or less sound the same. So whattya got ta say to that? Precise